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The RUGER OLD ARMY Club

Discussion in 'Blackpowder' started by ClemBert, Aug 11, 2010.

  1. Doak

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    Cornmeal has been the chosen filler since time began. I read a study, a long while back, that determined that cornmeal has a mild abrasive quality that's measureable over extended time/use. Not sumpin to panic over...just sumpin to consider.

    I switched to pure oatbran in the 70's. It's very soft & compresses (displaces air ), IMHO, even better. I use it w/smokeless & BP. Can pack it down tite, atop a thin card wad, & accurately measure space remaining for the bullet.

    Use it to keep 8 grs. Unique against the flash hole in .45 Colt. Also for BP in Sharps .50 - 2.5''.
    Would use it in ROA's, 'cept don't shoot reduced loads. :-D

    Kindest Regards,
    Doak
     
  2. SUMIKITO

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    Oatbran instead of cormeal as an airspace filler....

    Doak: Nice to know that oatbran works better than cormeal as you mentioned. Learn something everyday here. Thanks a lot for that good bit of info. I do know that a dried cornhusk, minus the corn that is, is a very good mild abrasive brush when rubbed vigorously on rusting all carbon steel hunting knives. Them dried cornhusks sure clean up those steel knives like new! Mildly abrasive they sure are. Maybe thats why doctors usually tell us older fellas to eat more oatmeal and less corn, cause we don't need more abrasives inside our systems! I wonder how regular Quaker oats would work as a filler. Maybe I should try that sometime. Maybe a little time in the blender should grind it down to a better, finer consistency. I will try oatbran first, before that grounded down oatmeal which I have a lot of, courtesy of the wife here. Yup. :) All the best again, Doak, thanks.
     
  3. Doak

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    SUMIKITO, ya gotta watch out for added salt & such in oatmeal & other cereals. "Quaker Oat Bran" Hot Cereal says "Ingredient: Oat Bran". Ya mite notice the word "Ingredient" is singular. :-D

    Doak
     
  4. SUMIKITO

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    On not using oatmeal [w/salt] as case filler......whooops!

    Doak: You're right, it sure has other nasty stuff besides salt. Sure way to salt and ruin a barrel. There goes my experiment. Gonna stick with pure oat bran as you said. Thanks for pointing that out. :) All the best......
     
  5. davepool

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    Any one know what happened to Classic Ballistix? I've sent several emails through their website asking about the ROA cylinder i paid for through their pay pal account and have not gotten any response.

    They were quick to respond to my emails when i was inquiring about their product, and now nothing. Is this how they do business? I've made several gun and gun related purchases on the internet and have never been burned, it's been over ten days and i'm getting a little concerned.

    Thanks for any help you can give
     
  6. AbitNutz

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    If there's a delay it's not due to Ed scamming you. I sent him a check for my last cylinder and it took him 6 months to cash it. Keep emailing....
     
  7. SUMIKITO

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    Just call him on the phone. Do you have his number? Best way to conduct business is by phone. More personal and direct I guess. Thats the way I do it anyway. I always wanna hear who's got my money. No phone , no business. Who knows maybe he/they took a vacation. Like AbitNutz said, davepool, they seem to be pretty good at their word. Give them a call on Monday morning. Someone here must know their phone number....All the best: :)
     
  8. davepool

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    I have tried to call several times, the only number i have is the one listed on their website, and that seems to be a fax line, all i get is a high pitched tone, no ring. Wisent suggested in the first email that i got from him that if i wanted to use my credit card, to use their pay pal service to process the order, i have never used pay pal before this transaction so i'm unfamiliar with how it works.

    It's just odd that the my first emails to them were answered the next day and now nothing

    I'm not making accusations of shady dealings on their part, mostly just curious about other folks dealings with them and if this is SOP for them.

    Maybe everyone is at an SASS competition and busy.

    AbitNutz - Believe me i understand how some gun folks can be "eccentric". There is a well regarded 1911 smith here in Phoenix, who does amazing work on Colts, but everyone that knows him knows that he can be a little cantankerous.
    I took a Delta Elite to him for some work, paid him up front, and waited 6 months to get it back. I knew it would take some time to finish but after 4 months i decided to call and check on the progress...he told me when i picked i up i would have gotten it back a month sooner if it hadn't been for my incessant phone calls. I called him ONE time.

    I am patient when it comes to quality parts and service.
     
  9. Patocazador

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    I got a cylinder from Wisent about a month ago. I don't like PayPal so I sent a money order. It actually didn't take all that long once I sent the order with the M.O.
    However, there was quite a lag from the time I sent the first (and second) e-mails .. probably about 2 weeks .. until I got a response. I think they just get backed up and are slow for that reason.

    The cylinder is better than the original Ruger one. Everything was top-notch.
     
  10. SUMIKITO

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    Davepool; if their phone is connected to a fax line, try to get to a fax machine around where you are. Get a full size piece of white print paper 8x11 and with a black broad tipped marking pen write a note that you have been trying real hard to get in touch and for someone to please call you back as soon as they read it. Write something nice. Worked for me all the time at the office! Worth a try. You got nothing to lose. All the best..... :)
     
  11. bothenook

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    I've had a check in to Belt Mt. for a base pin and quick release latch for the ROA since the middle of February. Seems to be a common problem.
     
  12. davepool

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    Thanks for the info on Belt mountain, now i know what to expect, their quick change cylinder latch is next on my list of stuff for my ROA.

    I ordered and received an extra set of internal parts and screws from Numrich 2 weeks ago.

    Does anyone know if the internal parts for the old model Black Hawk will work in an ROA and if they are still available from Ruger?
     
  13. SUMIKITO

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    Davepool: On Numrich Arms schematics/blow-ups/and part numbers of the Blackhawk & Old Army, go back and forth between the two pistols and cross refference the parts you need. If they have the same number and are called the same thing, then order the Blackhawk part. Not really much between the two pistols to swap around.The Old Army "MAY" be Blackhawk "BASED" but they are really two different animals. Some parts yeah, but not much. Go see what you can get as spares, just in case. If worse comes to worse, send your pistol to Ruger, might cost you a little here and there, nothing expensive really, but you will get a totally NEW pistol both externally AND internally! But, let me add that you will not get your old parts back. Nope, you won't. They have never turned down a pistol that they ever made. Ruger is really tops when it comes to service etc. Just something to keep in mind. Worry not my friend, worry not. Best regards......... :)
     
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  14. wap41

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    Sumikito;when was the last time you contacted Ruger?I contacted them last fall and they told me they no longer have any ROA parts or do any service work on ROA's
     
  15. SUMIKITO

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    Wap41: regarding "they no longer have service parts for the ROA" yes thats true, in fact , I never mentioned Ruger HAS any service parts for the Old Army", nope not Ruger, Never said THEY do. Numrich Arms was the subject on that post. On Rugers service, sure, if you start out speaking with them about parts availability, "I wanna buy some parts, this and that, and two of that and three of that, FIRST, then you ask about service after all that, thats the standard response you'll get. They are not in the business of selling parts. But if you inquire about OR send them your mulfunctioning and, quote, 'unsafe' pistol for repair or service ONLY, and only that, then they will honor that as they do ALL their products. They do have an 'unwritten lifetime warranty', and that is what they honor, ALL the time. Just flat out send them your pistol, follow the procedure on how to ship it to the letter in the owners manual, with pre-paid shipping, fully insured, signature required on recieving, with a tracking number, UPS/Fedex/ with a precise and clear note on whats the problem its been giving you and why you are not too happy about that, how you now feel it is now an unsafe pistol to use, etc. Better still also send them a photo copy from the owners manual stating about "their total commitment on continuing service on all their products" and underline that sentence or phrase in those copies in red or yellow, and attach a note on how happy you are about how they care about you, and now rubber-band those copies to the pistol you just sent them. Thats it. You will get a quote right away, and they will start fixing your pistol asap. As an example, send your pistol in for re-blueng, and in the process of dismantling and re-assembly they find a mulfunctioning or worn part, THEY will replace it, no ifs or buts. You will however get charged for the part/parts replaced. Please note however that your pistol should be bone-stock, example: no lightened trigger pulls, no alterations, no cut down barrels, no after market fancy stocks of any kind other than Rugers own make, etc. When you get your ROA back, it will even include a copy of the owners manual and a note stating how happy they are to have been of service to you! Don't forget to thank them for it, in writing, stating your complete satisfaction and how you will always be a patron of their products. [they always like that, and you will now be forever in their mailing list of their promotions, etc.] They are totally commited to ALL their products and to ALL their customers. They are very good at that. Give it a shot, you will not be dissapointed, I promise you. That is the way to do it, never fails. They have always stood up for all their products, always. Hope that clears out everything. All the very best again to you and all.
     
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  16. FreddyKruger

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    Well... you know how i was saying the front sight pin on mine was a bit stuffed. i soaked the thing in a penetrating oil and had another go... and now ive actually undone the barrel from the frame. cant win :/
     
  17. legend 550

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    I also have a cylinder ordered from Classic Bullistix. I got in touch with them just last week and they are waiting for their order to arrive and should be shipping soon. They don't manufacture the cylinders so the holdup is coming from farther up the supply chain. I agree it would be nice to get an update once and awhile but just be patient, the cylinders are coming.
     
  18. AbitNutz

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    The good thing is that Kirst is making the cylinders for them now...and I can tell you, they are top quality in every aspect. Waiting for a Kirst cylinder is worth the wait.
     
  19. bothenook

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    Kirsk cylinders

    I just got notified they are shipping my new 45 ACP conversion cylinder out today. pretty cool, since I only ordered it last week.
    Anybody else use the 45ACP cylinder? I always wanted a 45 acp revolver, and cringe at the thought of spending the wheelbarrow of bucks necessary to do it with a S&W. This way, I get both!
    Any tricks or things to look out for when using this particular cylinder?

    that would be kirst, not kirsk... fat fingers
     
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  20. Patocazador

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    Does the Kirst .45 auto cylinder need half-moon clips or do they provide a 'ledge' for the necks of the cartridges to seat against?
     
  21. bothenook

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    don't know yet. i'll post when it gets here
     
  22. SUMIKITO

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    Kirst .45acp conversion cylinder notes........

    Bothenook: On using the Kirst .45acp cylinder, use any standard non +P factory load in it and you won't have any problems. See my post on page 54, post no:1333. I and a whole lot of close friends who own one have fired a ton of standard 230gr.fmj factory loads in them with nary a problem, EVER. Absolutely no discernable wear on them OR the forcing cone,barrel, of the ROA. Just like a Ruger Blackhawk conversion. Stay with SAAMI standard ammo be it all lead or fmj and you'll be ok. Treat your Old Army with a Kirst .45 acp cylinder as you would a Blackhawk with the extra .45acp cylinder. Some folks like to baby their cylinders too much and stick to pure lead and wimpy reduced loads in .45acp. Dont have a problem with that. Too each his own. But the Kirst was made for standard .45acp 230gr./fmj loads. [non +P only] Ask the man himself, [Kirst] and you will get the same straight answer. They are of extreme high quality and very fine worksmanship. Peer into those bores when you get your cylinder. Really superior quality and workmanship. Thanks, Kirst, for providing us ROA guys with a great accessory, nice job. Patocazador: yes it does have a ledge to hold up the .45acp cartridge. No need for half/full moon clips at all. You gotta poke out the empty shells with a pencil, dowel, or your base pin. Most of the time they just drop out of those very well polished and smooth bores from the Kirst cylinder. Easy as pie. And yup, as AbitNutz just said, Kirst and ClassicBallistx have joined forces to produce some really nice cylinder accesories for our ROA's. All the best to them on this joint venture. Best regards to all again............. :)
     
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  23. davepool

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    Thanks for the info Legend

    I'm patient, i'll send them another email tomorrow.
     
  24. ClemBert

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  25. cane

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    Does my slightly modified ROA count towards membership? I thought that since all of my other Ruger SA's were "Bisleys" my ROA should be one too.

    Bisley2_zpsbc59b866.jpg
     

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