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The story that will prompt the next call to close the so called Gun Show Loophole

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Jeff White, Sep 12, 2007.

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  1. Jeff White

    Jeff White Moderator Staff Member

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    I'm sure we'll probably get a lot of support in Congress now......

    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/MEXICAN_POLICE_GUNS?SITE=MOSTP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
     
  2. novaDAK

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    I commented on the same article over at GT.

    The article says that they were seen negotiating with a dealer.

    Then it says that they bought the guns from a private seller

    Which is it? :rolleyes:
     
  3. ROMAK IV

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    Oh. No! We can't have Mexican police officers buying guns! Seriously, it may be illegal, but I don't think you will have these guns used in hold-ups at convenience stores! I'm sure they just wanted some cheap guns, than what is available in Mexico, and since they are police, they wouldn't have problems witjh Mexican law. And what's the problem? They got caught!
     
  4. Old Fuff

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    ...And of course the next time we need some cooperation from them on their side of the border... :uhoh:

    I expect the relationship between law enforcement agencies on both side of the line will be a little cooler. On our part this seems like a particularly dumb move - but after all the ATF&E was involved so it probably should have been expected. :banghead:
     
  5. txgho1911

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    So the deportees should have a deportee bootcamp. Load them with old rifles and ammo. Send them south to muster a revolution.

    As much sense as arresting Mex officers who may not be able to take the guns they have when they retire.
     
  6. 2RCO

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    How did this happen? Where they armed?

    Honestly I don't really care if a Mexican Cop buys guns at a gunshow, but what were they doing in an official vehicle? Lights & Sirens? I would have thought the ATF would have stepped in with a warning to someone--There has to be more to this story.
     
  7. Standing Wolf

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    So the deportees should have a deportee bootcamp. Load them with old rifles and ammo. Send them south to muster a revolution.

    Amen!
     
  8. Zoogster

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    Mexico is like a third world nation, some have a right to do whatever they want, within reason, things outside of reason have to be done less publicly, and then there is laws for the average peon.

    In Mexico they do not like the normal people having firearms.
    These high ranking individuals were probably were going to attempt to embarass the US government and call for stricter gun control in the US to stop the flow of arms south they speak of. In thier attempt to do so they were arrested for breaking the law and found out there actualy is already laws in place against doing exactly what they were attempting to do.

    This is sweet irony.

    I seriously doubt the purpose was as innocent as people here assume.
     
  9. Spreadfire Arms

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    all i know is that if i was a high ranking Mexican police official i'd get a gun any way i could! most of those guys have very short life spans, between the drug smugglers out to kill them and all the people they have crossed being dirty cops on the take.

    i dont know how a Mexican cop gets guns normally, but i'd suspect these guys aren't the first or the last Mexican cops to come to the US to buy guns.
     
  10. Kman

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    Though I don't like the idea of regulating everything to death, I do like the idea of having a "gun ownership license", showing legally you are able to puchase and competant to handle firearms. Having something like this may enable us to keep our shows and prevent felons, Illegal immigrants, and mentaly questionable individuals out of the show. If you cannot provide proof that you are competant and legal, then you are not welcome.
    I buy, sell and trade regularly at the shows, and it pains me to think I may loose this right because of jokers like this, when the right piece of legislation is all that is needed to end the "loophole dilema."
     
  11. Bartholomew Roberts

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    Straw purchase? If so, bad joss for the dealer since the Feds were watching the whole deal.
     
  12. Leanwolf

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    KMAN - "Though I don't like the idea of regulating everything to death, I do like the idea of having a "gun ownership license", showing legally you are able to puchase and competant to handle firearms."


    Uh huh.

    KMAN, just what kind of regulations and tests do you want instituted in Federal law to enable me to obtain a "gun ownership license" in order to enter a gun show and "handle firearms???"

    And just what and how large a Government Bureaucracy do you want to administer this wonderful program nationwide?

    How many Gun Ownership License enforcement officers do you want to see at every gun show in the United States??

    Cost??

    Just wondering.

    L.W.
     
  13. Jeff White

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    Kman,
    I live in a state that requires me to have a license to possess firearms or ammunition. Illinois has a Firearm Owners Identification Card that every Illinois resident who possesses a firearm or ammunition must have to be legal.

    It costs $5.00 for every 5 years. The State Police run a background check on you and if you have no criminal or mental health record you are issued a FOID card. However, the FOID card is meaningless. When I buy a firearm, I still have to submit to the instant records check, even though I was certified as not having anything in my background that would prohibit me from legally possessing firearms. It's just another meaningless infringement of my rights. Like every other government system it's flawed. Several years ago there was a mass shooting in a factory near Chicago by a man who shouldn't have had a FOID card. Yet he did have one and used it purchase the weapons he used in his crime....after he was disqualified to have them.

    The fact the Illinois residents are required to prove they have no legal liabilities that would prohibit them from owning firearms has done nothing to keep them from trying to add additional restrictions on us.

    Yes we had legislation to close the so called gunshow loophole here in Illinois, despite the fact that a gun owner has to keep a ten year record of who he sold a firearm to and that person's FOID number.

    Restrictions like FOID cards and background checks are just backhanded ways to further the agenda of disarming the civilian population.

    Jeff
     
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    Well, Of Course!

    Nobody is really surprised, right?

    I mean, if you're a cop in Mexico, it sure beats carrying a slingshot, no?

    :D
     
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    You can post bond and leave the country?
     
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    Does ICE normally monitor gun shows?
     
  17. silverlance

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    i find it hard to believe that high ranking police officials (not lowly officers) are unable to acquire firearms in mexico. anyone who's been to TJ or rosarito knows that damn near anything is available for sale.
     
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    There have been news articles stating Mexican police and military have fired on US officers on the southern border. Corruption in the mex police force is a known problem. Makes sense to use untraceable weapons if not playing by the rules.
     
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    See above post.

    I think this might hit closer to the truth than we'd like to think. First they were likely in the country illegally, then they knowingly purchased firearms illegally, then they tried to take them into mexico illegally. Then ICE shows up and lets them leave the country!? Never to be seen again, no doubt. We have no extradition treaty with mexico, if I recall correctly.
     
  20. Mannix

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    Sure, it's coming back later that'd be the problem.
     
  21. TexasRifleman

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    We do have an extradition treaty with Mexico unless the punishment for the crime includes the possibility of a death sentence, then they refuse.
     
  22. rdhood

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    Nothing like guilty until proven innocent, eh?

    How about this... ASK FOR A DRIVERS LICENSE. I strongly suspect that the guy that sold those guns knew that the purchasers were from "out of state". Simply asking for a drivers license would have exposed the illegal sale. Anything more than that turns into background checks. I have a long story to tell, and it will get told here as soon as it reaches completion. Suffice to say, I am starting to have great contempt for those who support and encourage background checks. A "gun ownership license" is the answer alright... the answer to getting rid of gun ownership permanently. The antis would love this solution.
     
  23. geekWithA.45

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    Why naturally, it's a private, unlicensed gun dealer, an unscrupulous merchant of death and generally shady character, dontcha know!

    It couldn't -possibly- be just some schmoe looking to sell his guns.
     
  24. Colt

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    When I first heard of the "gun show loophole" I figured it was something conjured up by the antis to shut down shows.

    When I inquired on this board as to what the "loophole" really was, I was told that it meant private parties could sell guns to one another without either possessing an FFL, and without any type of check being run.

    I guess my question is if I can't buy a pistol from an FFL without a check being run, why can I buy one from my neighbor?

    I can see Kman's point. My concern is a bit more selfish in nature, though. I don't want to sell a pistol to someone who uses it to cap a rival in the city, then have the police trace the gun back to me.

    If we didn't have the NICS checks and FFL's, then I'd say "so what" about private sales. But because such laws are in place, isn't a private sale "risky" for the seller?
     
  25. damien

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    I am only speculating here, but I bet they do in Texas, Arizona, and California, at least. The amount of crime being committed in those states by illegals has become a major problem. Having ICE there would speed up the process of removing criminals from the country once detected.
     
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