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The Sun Never Sets on the Lee-Enfield! (Mumbai Attacks)

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by .455_Hunter, Nov 26, 2008.

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  1. .455_Hunter

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    If you look closely at the pictures coming out of Mumbai, you will see many police units carrying either No. 1, Mk. III or No 4 Lee-Enfields in .303. I have not seen any Ishapore 7.62s, which surprises me somewhat. Why would you keep the .303s, but sell the 7.62s (which share ammo with the FALs) to the USA as surplus?

    Maybe the grand old .303 British round is going to be responsible for dropping a few more terrorists! One can only hope.
     
  2. N003k

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    I actually noticed that as well, was a bit surprised, figured by now they would have found some replacement, but hey, if it ain't broke, don't fix it!
     
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    If it ain't broke,
     
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  5. Threeband

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    Definately not broke!
     
  6. paintballdude902

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    wood for them keeping with something they trust and not feeeling they must keep up with the times

    i heard like 12 terrorist dead and 9 captured good
     
  7. RX-178

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    It makes me wonder if .303 ammo might still be cheaper to manufacture over there than 7.62x51?
     
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    I don't know, but doesn't their ammo have a reputation as being really horrible? Dirty and prone to misfires and hangfires? Why is this so? In this day and age you'd think they could at the very least perfect THAT.
     
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    Seems kind of like a long shot -- the Indian military used the FAL and MAG machine gun as their standard weapons for decades. The economics of new production .303 ammo just for law enforcement alongside mountains of .308 for the military just couldn't be cheaper.

    It being India, and the weapons being in the hands of non-paramilitary Indian police it might be possible they're still shooting up supplies of .303 ammo left over from the 1940s-60s. If they haven't bothered to upgrade police weapons in fifty years, I can't think there's going to be a heavy emphasis small arms training.

    Less likely, but they may issue .303 bolt guns specifically because it's an off caliber -- rioters, terrorists, or criminals storming a police station or overpowering officers out on patrol can grab police weapons but then face an immediate logistical bottleneck. If I remember right, back in the colonial days, the British issued some of their police shotguns using a proprietary ammunition that was only available through police supply channels for the same reason -- angry mobs (or if the indigenous police officers went over to the rioters) would have trouble feeding any weapons they captured.
     
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    Pakistani ammo was notoriously crap the MOD brought a load that was shockingly bad it was withdrawn from use and flogged off to the states sorry:uhoh:
    Brady approved ammo:D would'nt fire or was so low powered rounds stuck in targets at 100 metres:eek:
    Think its 2nd line police get .303's the Indian forces probably have thousands in stock same with ammo
     
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    The Enfield was the AK of the world before the AK existed. Great rifle.
     
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    Well bot .303 and .308 ammo is available only through police/military channels.

    The police weapons havent really been upgraded in years, and they use a mix of 7.62 and .303. Some units have begun recieving the FAL as the military moves to INSAS or AK's.
    The ammo made for the police and civil markets is junk.
     
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    Look closely at the magazines on those Lee Enfield rifles.
    The ones I saw were all very square in appearance which is an indicator that the rifles are Indian produced copies of the Lee rifle in 7.62X51 caliber.

    I also noticed the Special Response troops were armed with Insas 5.56 Indian made assault rifles.
    These rifles are a opy of the Israeli Galil rifle.
     
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    Alot of them had Fal type rifles too. I laughed a bit when I saw the Enfields, its hard to believe that they are still a worthy tool used by police forces in the world. Like you all said, "If its not broke then don't fix it!"
     
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    I bought some Indian surplus .303 last year, shot good, not to dirty, reliable. $8 for 32 rounds :)

    -Jenrick
     
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    Enfield rifle

    A friend of mine, who is a native Indian, told me that the police still use the Mk III Enfield in both 7.62 and .303.

    IMHO, one of the best rifles ever made.
     
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    The Lee Enfield is and was a great rifle, especially for its day. However can you imagine being armed with a Lee-Enfield and getting into a gunfight at less that 50 yards with multiple select fire AKM armed terrorists though? I'd feel a tad less equipped (although that feeling would be reversed if the range was longer).

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    In other words trying to engage guys armed with AK's while being armed with an Enfield has really gotta suck. Something tells me in that case I'd much rather have an FAL or just about anything other than a manually operated bolt action rifle.
     

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    I saw one short video clip of three guys running into a hallway carrying 7.62mm Enfields. I noted those three guys because they were carrying their rifles at the shoulder ready and were advancing while everyone around them was taking cover.

    Nice for punching through sheet rock,ice machines, flak vests and most any cover the bad guys are likey to find inside a huge hotel.
    Not to mention the accuracy while shooting down a couple hundred feet of dim hallway.
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    Much better for head shots when the bad guys have hostages in front of them.
     
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    equipment and soldier confidence

    I think Float Pilot recognizes a good thing when he sees it.
    I think too, that I would not feel undergunned at all facing those cowards, especially with such a gun.

    And especially with some loyal and tough troops who are similarly armed.
    Maybe men from Nepal.

    Though my personal preference would be any born in the USA, American GI's.

    Take that situation, and arm them with the M1 Garand or even the M14, and
    see who has the terror.
     
  23. Float Pilot

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    Looks like Shiva gave these terrorist a four armed butt whompin
     

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    Would be nice to have those INSAS 5.56 imported in civilian version.
     
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    As great as it is, I can also see the cops/soldiers using these photos in front of whomever is responsible for procuring their weapons saying; "NOW do you believe we need newer rifles?!"
     
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