The THR 1851/1860 Club

[daboyleroy]

My Babies

Here is a picture of my little girls in there travel "bed"
Leather bed top and bottom.
DaBoyLeroy
South Carolina TGRN

 

[DoubleDeuce 1]

Leather interior carry case... Cool! Welcome

 

[daboyleroy]

Thanks
Worked on it (off and on) for about 3 days to get them molded in place.
Too cold to go to work or outside

 

[expat_alaska]

A couple of 1860's the top one is by an unknown maker from an unknown time???
The bottom one is an antique made in 1863 and likely a veteran of the Civil War.
The nipples on the antique are too big for #11 caps so I use the cylinder from the "unknown" gun in the antique and it fits perfectly.

Curious about the upper pistol in the picture.

To me (and I'm no expert, by any means) it appears to be a modern repro, the barrel, cylinder, loading lever assembly, and hammer purposely "aged".

Any serial/assembly numbers?

There are no Italian proof marks or other markings that I can see. Pietta, Uberti, ASM, or other Italian makers must have those to market those guns. Pietta profusely marks their guns on the sides of the barrel and frame, and Uberti under the barrel, so those would have had to be removed prior to "aging".

That said, the frame still has some case colors, but that can be accomplished with a propane torch and motor oil (I did that on a Remington #5 Rolling Block .45-120 conversion more than 20 years ago and the colors were much better than any of the modern Italian copies: sorry, no pics: too long ago) and using vinegar to "age" the colors.

It is a modern repro 4-screw frame (for a shoulder stock). It appears to have a blued steel backstrap which does not meet up properly with the frontstrap on the brass triggerguard. The wood is too good and too new, and has the upward "flare" from the lower grip frame, and does not have the Pietta "tail", so I lean toward a Uberti frame or other (ASM, et al).

I am striving to create a somewhat realistic 1851 Navy Second Model. It will have a squareback trigger guard (wedge below screw) with a shoulder stock using Pietta parts. The trigger guard/grip frame will be brass as opposed to blued and/or silver-plated brass parts of the original. I'm awaiting a call/email from Taylors' insofar as their ability to obtain a brass squareback from the Pietta factory and it sounds promising, so far. I also bought (from the pics) a nice looking walnut one-piece grip that puts my original 2014 Pietta wood (piss elm) grip to shame. I will post pics when it comes to fruition (in stages).

I just love the original Colt (the lower revolver pic). Do you actually shoot it? OMG, no way I would do that.

Just my $.02 worth.

Nice guns! If you ever want to discard them, give me a jingle!

Sincerely,

Jim

 

[Crawdad1]

#1 Choctaw, #2 Crawdad1, #3 Malachi Leviticus Blue, #4 HUnter58, #5 Berkley, #6 volleyfire, #7 dickydalton, #8 Ephriam Kibbey, #9 Prairie Dawg, #10 Fingers McGee, #11 45 Dragoon, #12 Willie Sutton, #13 todd haley, #14 Doubledeuce 1, #15 1KPerDay, #16 J-Bar, #17 sltm1, #18 bannockburn, #19 NineMilePete, #20 Yankee John, #21 mykeal, #22 driver243, #23 44 Dave, #24 ImperatorGray, #25 RS1860, #26 A526051, #27 dwh4784, #28 dagger dog, #29 StrawHat, #30 Skinny 1950, #31 gopguy, #32 RonC, #33 alexander45, #34 daboyleroy.

 

[alexander45]

Curious about the upper pistol in the picture.

the cut out area on the frame for the primer looks like a pietta

 

[StrawHat]

What's up with the grips/trigger guard strap on the bottom (upside-down) pistol?

That is a very nice and historic acquisition you have!

BTW, I have a new Pietta 1851 Navy that I am working on, so no pics yet. I'll be sure to post when I'm done with the first couple stages.

And, yes, I am a noob!

Jim

Not my picture, but I think you are seeing a shadow on the grip and trigger guard.

Kevin

 

[expat_alaska]

My Lowly Replica

I've had this less than 2 months, haven't shot it, been reading everything I can wrap my eyes upon/around, and have very much enjoyed my first foray into C&B revolvers. You and a few other forums have been a godsend insofar as historical and practical information for this noob.

It is a 2014 [CM] Pietta 1851 Navy .36 from Cabela's on sale after Christmas.

The original grip was a very plain piece of walnut, so I found a nicer looking piece on Ebay (the seller claimed it was from a 2014 Pietta, it fit as well as my original grip, but the wood was white under the somewhat cherry stain) and used it instead [it's amazing how many folks buy new Pietta (or Uberti, or other older makes such as ASM) new pistols, take them apart, and sell as parts]. Pietta needs to alter their shaping tools to address the large (IMO) amount of excess wood at the frame, as one can see by the large shadow at the frame (if they can get it fairly correct at the trigger guard/grip frame, why cannot they do the same in this area?).

I have grandiose plans to get a brass squareback trigger guard to simulate a Colt 1851 Second Model (I have a line on one at Taylors from the Pietta factory http://www.pietta.us/products/Muzzleloadinguns/Navy/gallery/Navy_1851_13.html ), a Pietta "Wyatt Earp" shoulder stock from Dixie (http://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_info.php?products_id=12456), a 12" Pietta barrel, a spare gripframe to reduce the "Pietta tail" using my original plain-Jane grip as trial, possibly a conversion cylinder (I am well aware of the implications using a conversion cylinder with a shoulder stock and a less than 16" barrel insofar as BATFE is concerned), and custom wood case for it all.

I am retired, have lots of time but not so much money. I'll post if I make any substantial changes, but don't think it's going to happen soon.

I have perused all of the posts on this thread and most all of you folks have some very nice pistols. Puts mine to shame.

Well, here is my entry for the Club:

 

[J-Bar]

expat alaska:

Stop bad mouthing that nice revolver! Time to get it dirty!!

 

[Crawdad1]

#1 Choctaw, #2 Crawdad1, #3 Malachi Leviticus Blue, #4 HUnter58, #5 Berkley, #6 volleyfire, #7 dickydalton, #8 Ephriam Kibbey, #9 Prairie Dawg, #10 Fingers McGee, #11 45 Dragoon, #12 Willie Sutton, #13 todd haley, #14 Doubledeuce 1, #15 1KPerDay, #16 J-Bar, #17 sltm1, #18 bannockburn, #19 NineMilePete, #20 Yankee John, #21 mykeal, #22 driver243, #23 44 Dave, #24 ImperatorGray, #25 RS1860, #26 A526051, #27 dwh4784, #28 dagger dog, #29 StrawHat, #30 Skinny 1950, #31 gopguy, #32 RonC, #33 alexander45, #34 daboyleroy, #35 expat_alaska.

 

[expat_alaska]

expat alaska:

Stop bad mouthing that nice revolver! Time to get it dirty!!

Yeah, it's nice insofar as the metalwork: frame and barrel. I have been following Mike's (.44 Dragoon) admonitions and it appears that my arbor is good to go (not short like many Uberti's , but he may not agree!) and I have been destroying many moosehide (cut up from old Minnetonka moccasins) strips while dry-firing this pistol. I can see that the hammer does not contact the frame upon firing and rather would contact the nipples upon dry firing. Eventually, I would like to obtain a set of slix-shot nipples, but I have yet to obtain a nipple wrench, so that's as far as I have gone.

Little by little...

Jim

 

[Brad_Bradsher]

Humbly requesting membership

Afternoon, gentlemen, first post...After reading all 10 years of the WALKER club posts, but not (yet) qualifying for membership, it's a pleasure to see a new club that the bouncer will let me in the door of! And what a treat, to see such old "friends" as Strawhat, Berkley, Fingers and even Ole Fuff! Here are my ASM 1985-built '60 (nice nickeled backstrap) and my Xmas present from my girlfriend, a brand-new '62 Police.

 

[DoubleDeuce 1]

Welcome Brad. Nice looking revolvers you have there. Those Pocket Police jobs are just plain fun to shoot.

As for reading the zillion posts for the Walker Club, you'll need a couple of sandwiches and a pot of coffee or two to get you through.

 

[Brad_Bradsher]

WALKER Club posts

Thanks, DD. Actually, it was a couple of weeks of coffee, but I did read all the Walker club posts over the last few weeks. Fascinating stuff, and what a bunch of characters. Hope someone posting here can tell us his story of killin a b'ar with his cap 'n ball like GOC did...

I do love the lines and balance of the 1862 Detective Special-- oops, I mean Pocket Police. It's a snow day here, so I'm finishing up a minimalist "frog" holster for it to carry it as backup to the '60. I'll post a pic when I'm done stitching.

 

[Crawdad1]

#1 Choctaw, #2 Crawdad1, #3 Malachi Leviticus Blue, #4 HUnter58, #5 Berkley, #6 volleyfire, #7 dickydalton, #8 Ephriam Kibbey, #9 Prairie Dawg, #10 Fingers McGee, #11 45 Dragoon, #12 Willie Sutton, #13 todd haley, #14 Doubledeuce 1, #15 1KPerDay, #16 J-Bar, #17 sltm1, #18 bannockburn, #19 NineMilePete, #20 Yankee John, #21 mykeal, #22 driver243, #23 44 Dave, #24 ImperatorGray, #25 RS1860, #26 A526051, #27 dwh4784, #28 dagger dog, #29 StrawHat, #30 Skinny 1950, #31 gopguy, #32 RonC, #33 alexander45, #34 daboyleroy, #35 expat_alaska, #36 Brad_Bradsher.

 

[perldog007]

Just took it out of the box

 

[Brad_Bradsher]

Thanks, Crawdad! It's an honor. So, knowing that it's a '51/'60 club, but in the argument that this is the BACKUP to my '60, here's the holster I finished for my Pocket Police on this snowy day...It started as a speed scabbard for my 1911, so it's anachnonistic (haven't seen too many pancake-style 1860 holsters)...But when the lovely and talented Vicky (GF) gave me the box labelled "From: Uncle Berti" on Christmas morning, I looked at the Pocket Police, and I looked at the holster, and a new project was born...

 

[ZVP]

WOW what beautifull collections and single Revolvers you have Granny!
Seriously, that's spme nice iron there.
I have a stabdard 7'12, .36 caliber, a .36 Uberti London Model, a .36 Piettia Police and a .44 Brasser Navy Model ( first actual shooting Revolver)
I like em all and can't pick a favorite! Got leather for them all.
Leather really isn't all that cheap!

 

[alexander45]

As for reading the zillion posts for the Walker Club, you'll need a couple of sandwiches and a pot of coffee or two to get you through.

great now ya got me reading through it and I feel a walker tugging on my wallet

 

[Crawdad1]

#1 Choctaw, #2 Crawdad1, #3 Malachi Leviticus Blue, #4 HUnter58, #5 Berkley, #6 volleyfire, #7 dickydalton, #8 Ephriam Kibbey, #9 Prairie Dawg, #10 Fingers McGee, #11 45 Dragoon, #12 Willie Sutton, #13 todd haley, #14 Doubledeuce 1, #15 1KPerDay, #16 J-Bar, #17 sltm1, #18 bannockburn, #19 NineMilePete, #20 Yankee John, #21 mykeal, #22 driver243, #23 44 Dave, #24 ImperatorGray, #25 RS1860, #26 A526051, #27 dwh4784, #28 dagger dog, #29 StrawHat, #30 Skinny 1950, #31 gopguy, #32 RonC, #33 alexander45, #34 daboyleroy, #35 expat_alaska, #36 Brad_Bradsher, #37 perldog007.

 

[DoubleDeuce 1]

Alexander, I feel a Walker tugging on my wallet...

Is that so wrong? You know you need it...

 

[alexander45]

I most definitely do I even know of a very poorly lit Indoor range that last I checked didn't have any signs disallowing black powder guns!
So if I find one in a used shop for a good price or figure out if I want to build a kit or get a prefinished... I may have to go fix their lighting problem for a few seconds lol.

 

[perldog007]

Cross post of my 1860...

Hey Crawdad1, You'll have to give me a few tips on this model. I have no idea why I bought it, there's just something about a Colt in the hand....

or even an Italian copy of a Colt in the hand ...



I'll post another pic when I get it schmutzed up and put back together...



Umm Okay, 30 grains of black ( Pyrodex FFg) disappears down that hole. Is my measure bad? I went with 35 and seated .454 ball deep enough to compress that a tiny bit.

Reading those original factory instructions I can't imagine that many of these things didn't get shot loose with enough wear. I'm pretty sure it can hold forty grains of pyrodex by MY measure.

I have the brass pistol measure with spout from Cabela's. Also have a CVS black plastic powder flask that throws a 20 gr charge according to said measure.

I thought 35 and a ball was like the max for the 1860?

 

[expat_alaska]

Sorry, but that 1860 needs a bit of BC Tru Oil. It won't hurt a bit. Otherwise, tat is a nice pistol.

 

[Crawdad1]

Otherwise, tat is a nice pistol.

I agree. That 1860 Army shines!!!

That's a good job Perldog007!!! Gut her then oil her up and she's ready to go!!!