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The THR Walker Club

Discussion in 'Blackpowder' started by scrat, Feb 18, 2008.

  1. scrat

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    madcratebuilder you for sure need to post some pics of yours. for sure
     
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  3. bigbadgun

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    Has anybody heard from G of the C lately???
     
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    nope i wish. Last i heard he was going to be down a while waiting on a new satelite
     
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    Damn sure do miss him
     
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    same here. he kept this forum alive
     
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    yes he did in his colorful manner.lol
     
  8. Grey Wolf

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    Reports of failures

    I have heard that all 1,000 Walers were probably not issued. It is possible that there were not 500 members of the U.S. Mounted Rifles, later to become the Texas Rangers.

    These statements are paraphrased from R.L. Wilson's "The Book of Colt Revolvers".

    Hays's Texas Rangers were issued 280 pistols. After less than a year's service there were left to be returned to the arsenals but 191, of which 82 were serviceable, the remainder chiefly bursted in the hands of the men, a few being lost in skirmishes with the enemy. The pistols were issued in August, 1847 and were turned in when the rangers mustered out in the Spring of 1848.

    About Model 1848 Dragoon pistols: In 1848, 1060 arms were tested and 60 barrels and 53 cylinders burst. In 1849, 1011 arms were tested and 11 barrels and 30 cylinders burst. In 1850, 2082 arms were tested and only one barrel and one cylinder burst.

    My comment: In 1997, while living in New Mexico, I saw and handled a friend's original Walker that had obvious cylinder repair of more than one bore.
    He said he had bought the pistol in Santa Fe about 25 years earlier. I asked him how he thought it got to Santa Fe. He told me a tale I want to believe.When the Rangers mustered out is is probable that surviving Walkers and other arms were sent to the nearest U.S. Arsenal in San Antonio, Texas. In October of 1861, four regiments of Confederate volunteers, marched and rode out of San Antonio toward the Territory of New Mexico. Each man was required to furnish himself with "a good double barrel shotgun or rifle certain, a bowie knife and six-shooter, if the latter can possibly be obtained". The only arms the Confederacy in Texas had were probably those captured at the San Antonio Arsenal. The campaign was to capture the gold mine of Colorado in order to finance the Civil War. There was a battle at Valverde that was a virtual draw and another near Santa Fe, at Glorieta Pass. It is sometimes called the Battle of Pigeon's Ranch. On the second day of battle the Texas were winning, but some Union troops burned their supply wagons and killed their herd of beef cattle. The next day they began the march back to Texas.

    I want to believe that my friend's Colt failed in battle and was thrown away, later to be found, repaired and put to further use.

    When the 1860 Army pistols came out Colt steel production methods had improved greatly. Colt called the new product "Silver Steel". He claimed that tests proved it to be at least three times stronger than the previous cast steel. It enabled the design of the 1860s to be lightened considerably.

    There are two books on the Battle of Glorieta Pass. Both are by Don Alberts. One is titled "Rebels on the Rio Grande". It is basically the Civil War journal of A.B. Peticolas, a volunteer from Victoria, Texas.
     
  9. Shung

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    what ? is there a conversion cylinder available for the mighty walker ???
     
  10. StrawHat

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    Grey WOlf,

    Interesting bit of history. That is the first time I have ever heard of Walkers being used in the CW.

    It has always struck me as curious how the Walker is so much more popular today then when it was issued.

    I knew of the cylinders bursting, steel alloying was in its infancy and the men using them were perhaps not as particular about loading and cleaning as we tend to be.

    It seems that as soon as they could get something besides the Walker, they did. Even the Dragoons had similar problems but not as frequent. It wasn't until Colts got the bugs worked out that the 44 could be built into a belt gun, the 1860.

    I like them all and just missed out on a Walker. Too bad for me but good news for the seller.
     
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    Sure is a couple companies make them.

    Kirst just started making them for the Uberti walker. Wish i had this one.
    http://www.kirstkonverter.com/dragoons.html

    I have an R&D Cylinder. its a drop in cylinder. When i purchased the cylinder i checked the timing when i put it in. Then i was still cautious so i took it to my local gunsmith. He confirmed timing was ok. the R&d did a good job on matching the Uberti timing. here is the link for R&D. a lot of places carry the R&D like Midway. http://www.randdgunshop.com/view.php?image=images/randdwalk.JPG
    http://www.randdgunshop.com/catalog.php?page=8&all=yes
     
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    Pros and cons on conversion cylinders. If you go with a Kirst conversion this requires some grinding which can be done with a dremel. This is to install the loading gate. Now pros, it makes loading a lot easier than you can ever imagine. Cons. Well grinding and installing the loading gate is a permanent deal. Now they do look good, but im not too sure how it would effect you on changing back to bp. The r&d cylinder is nice, However it requires you to remove the wedge everytime you load it. This is what i have. The look of the gun is almost the exact same with the conversion cylinder as each cylinder has its own nipple. Which in this case is the firing pin. shoots very good. Cons, well you have to remove the wedge each and every time.


    What i do is load up the R&d cylinder at the range, I also load up my bp cylinder. Then go to the forward bench. Shoot straight cap and ball 6 rounds. Then remove the wedge install the conversion, then shoot 45 colt 6 more shots. Tell you what i have been getting pretty good on removing the cylinder.
     
  13. fedaircop

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    "I have heard that all 1,000 Walers were probably not issued. It is possible that there were not 500 members of the U.S. Mounted Rifles, later to become the Texas Rangers."

    Later to become the Texas Rangers? thems fighting words in Texas. Maybe you just mispoke. The Texas Rangers can Arguably be traced back to Stephen Austin enlisting Ranging companies to protect The early Anglo settlers in Texas, 20+ years prior to the Mexican war.
     
  14. mykeal

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    :uhoh:Maybe he meant to say, "...some of whom later joined the Texas Rangers.":scrutiny::cool:
     
  15. fedaircop

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    I am sure. I am just being overly sensitive. I am a very sensitive kind of a guy you know.
     
  16. Clermont

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    Colt Signature Series Walker

    I have owned this Colt Signature Series Walker revolver with accessories since 1999. I'm not a shooter, only a collector, so I tend to keep collectibles in the boxes they came in. The cylinder is unturned.
     

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  18. scrat

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    Clermont also nice pics. anytime you need to learn how to shoot that Walker im sure there are plenty of us that would show you how.
     
  19. Grey Wolf

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    Sorry to ruffle your feathers fedaircop. I'm a native Texan who is rabid about our state's history. In fact, I belong to three different groups who reenact the encampments and battles for independence from Mexico. My choice of words was poor. Texas Rangers were never military as they were not subject to military law and never had prescribed uniforms. Captain John Coffee Hays was authorized to raise 500 members to "operate with the American Army" in 1845. They were known to the American Army as members of the U. S. Mounted rifles. The Walker pistols and the Dragoons have on their cylinders "Model U.S.M.R.". I'm guessing that the number of Rangers in the USMR relates to the 280 pistols they received (as I wrote), 140 men.

    I should have written that after the Mexican War at least some of them probably became Texas Rangers again.

    Three more interesting items:

    Captain Hays was presented a pair of Walkers from the first batch to be produced in appreciation for making the Paterson famous. He and 15 Rangers defeated over 80 Comanches using pairs of Patersons that they were given by the Texas Navy. The Navy defeated Mexican ships by cannon fire, not by boarding parties, so they didn't need pistols.

    I just noticed that in 1847 James Colt, Sam's brother, wrote a letter to Samuel Hawken proposing that they open a factory in St. Louis together to make 2000 Walkers in 1848 and 5000 in 1849.

    Ben McCulloch, another Texas Ranger who fought in Mexico was presented with the first known presentation engraved Colt revolver, a Whitneyville Hartford Model Dragoon, sn 1337, one of 240 produced before the First Model Dragoon was made, starting with sn 1101. He was carrying the pistol when he was killed in a Civil War battle in Arkansas.

    Knowing this and having $5 will get you a cup of coffee almost anywhere but Starbucks.
     
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    good info greywolf always a pleasure to read more history about both Walkers and Dragoons. On my holder that big bad gun made me i had him put USMR on it.
     
  21. fedaircop

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    Thanks greywolf for the history I am a bit of a history buff not an expert by any stretch of the imagination. I was just ribbing you a bit as I was sure that most folks on this board are familiar with the basics of the Rangers. I do appreciate the information you imparted in your last few postsand look forward to hearing more.
     
  22. fedaircop

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    Clermont WOW!! thats quite a group of collectables you have there I am Impressed and envious
     
  23. AdmiralB

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    I took mine to the range for the first time yesterday. I was able to get about 58 grains of Swiss in it, comfortably (that's measured with Lyman plastic dippers). Dropped the lever on every shot but the first.

    Shoots about eight inches high at 25 yards, not bad at all.

    However, I broke the mainspring when I was reassembling after cleaning. Bummer.
     
  24. Clermont

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    Thank you, fedaircop, for the compliment. Although Colt Signature Series Walkers and other Signature Series model Colt black powder revolvers are Colt marked with the Hartford, Connecticut address, they were, in fact, unfinished Uberti parts without any Italian markings that were imported into the U.S. and then fitted, finished, and assembled by a company, Colt Blackpowder, licensed by Colt and located in Brooklyn, NY. It has been written that Brooklyn assembled Colt black powder revolvers were superior in fit and finish to similar Uberti models. Colt Blackpowder's parent company is the John Jovino Co., a firearms distributor located in Manhattan and owned by the now late Louis Imperatta. Previous acquisitions by Mr. Imperatta included Plainfield Machine Co., a manufacturer of M1 carbines, Iver Johnson Arms Co., and currently owns the Henry Repeating Arms Co. located in the same Brooklyn facility Colt Blackpowder previously assembled Signature Series revolvers.
     
  25. scrat

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    ouch admiral b. ouch. defenetly get a spare main spring furthermore you really shouldnt have to take it apart everytime you shoot it.
     
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