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The Truth About GWB's Military Service

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  1. bountyhunter

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    Here is the full story about GWB's record for those who wish to know.

    FINALLY, THE TRUTH ABOUT BUSH'S MILITARY SERVICE RECORD
    George W.'s Missing Year

    Nearly two hundred manila-wrapped pages of George Walker Bush's service records came to me like some sort of giant banana stuffed into my mailbox. I had been seeking more information about his military record to find out what he did during what I think of as his "missing year," when he failed to show up for duty as a member of the Air National Guard, as the Boston Globe first reported.

    The initial page I examined is a chronological listing of Bush's service record. This document charts active duty days served from the time of his enlistment. His first year, a period of extensive training, young Bush is credited with serving 226 days. In his second year in the Guard, Bush is shown to have logged a total of 313 days. After Bush got his wings in June 1970 until May 1971, he is credited with a total of 46 days of active duty. From May 1971 to May 1972, he logged 22 days of active duty. Then something happened. From May 1, 1972 until April 30, 1973 -- a period of twelve months -- there are no days shown, though Bush should have logged at least thirty-six days service (a weekend per month in addition to two weeks at camp).

    I found out that for the first four months of this time period, when Bush was working on the U.S. Senate campaign of Winton Blount in Alabama, that he did not have orders to be at any unit anywhere. On May 24, 1972, Bush had applied for a transfer from the Texas Air National Guard to Montgomery, Alabama. On his transfer request Bush noted that he was seeking a "no pay" position with the 9921st Air Reserve Squadron. The commanding officer of the Montgomery unit, Lieutenant Colonel Reese R. Bricken, promptly accepted Bush's request to do temporary duty under his command.

    But Bush never received orders for the 9921st in Alabama. Such decisions were under the jurisdiction of the Air Reserve Personnel Center in Denver, Colorado, and the Center disallowed the transfer. The Director of Personnel Resources at the Denver headquarters noted in his rejection that Bush had a "Military Service Obligation until 26 May 1974." As an "obligated reservist," Bush was ineligible to serve his time in what amounted to a paper unit with few responsibilities. As the unit's leader, Lieutenant Colonel Bricken recently explained to the Boston Globe, ''We met just one weeknight a month. We were only a postal unit. We had no airplanes. We had no pilots. We had no nothing.''

    The headquarters document rejecting Bush's requested Alabama transfer was dated May 31, 1972. This transfer refusal left Bush still obligated to attend drills with his regular unit, the 111th Fighter Interceptor Squadron stationed at Ellington Air Force Base near Houston. However, Bush had already left Texas two weeks earlier and was now working on Winton Blount's campaign staff in Alabama. In his annual evaluation report, Bush's two supervising officers, Lieutenant Colonel William D. Harris Jr. and Lieutenant Colonel Jerry B. Killian, made it clear that Bush had "not been observed at" his Texas unit "during the period of report" -- the twelve month period from May 1972 through the end of April 1973.

    In the comments section of this evaluation report Lieutenant Colonel Harris notes that Bush had "cleared this base on 15 May 1972, and has been performing equivalent training in a non flying role with the 187th Tac Recon Gp at Dannelly ANG Base, Alabama" (the Air National Guard Tactical Reconnaissance Group at Dannelly Air Force Base near Montgomery, Alabama). This was incorrect. Bush didn't apply for duty at Dannelly Air Force Base until September 1972. From May until September he was in limbo, his temporary orders having been rejected. And when his orders to appear at Dannelly came through he still didn't appear. Although his instructions clearly directed Bush to report to Lieutenant Colonel William Turnipseed on the dates of "7-8 October 0730-1600, and 4-5 November 0730-1600," he never did. In interviews conducted with the Boston Globe earlier this year, both General Turnipseed and his former administration officer, Lieutenant Colonel Kenneth Lott, said that Bush never put in an appearance.

    The lack of regular attendance goes against the basic concept of a National Guard kept strong by citizen soldiers who maintain their skills through regular training.
    Bush campaign aides claim, according to a report in the New York Times, that Bush in fact served a single day -- November 29,1972 -- with the Alabama unit. If this is so it means that for a period of six weeks Lieutenant George W. Bush ignored direct instructions from headquarters to report for duty. But it looks even worse for Lieutenant Bush if the memory of Turnipseed and Lott are correct and Bush never reported at all.
    After the election was over (candidate Blount lost), Bush was to have returned to Texas and the 111th at Ellington Air Force Base. Bush did return to Houston, where he worked for an inner-city youth organization, Project P.U.L.L. But, as I mentioned already, his annual evaluation report states that he had not been observed at his unit during the twelve months ending May 1973. This means that there were another five months, after he left Alabama, during which Bush did not fulfill any of his obligations as a Guardsman.

    In fact, during the final four months of this period, December 1972 through May 29, 1973, neither Bush nor his aides have ever tried to claim attendance at any guard activities. So, incredibly, for a period of one year beginning May 1, 1972, there is just one day, November 29th, on which Bush claims to have performed duty for the Air National Guard. There are no dates of service for 1973 mentioned in Bush's "Chronological Service Listing." Bush's long absence from the records comes to an end one week after he failed to comply with an order to attend "Annual Active Duty Training" starting at the end of May 1973. He then began serving irregularly with his unit. Nothing indicates in the records that he ever made up the time he missed.

    Early in September 1973, Bush submitted a request seeking to be discharged from the Texas Air National Guard and to be transferred to the Air Reserve Personnel Center. This transfer to the inactive reserves would effectively end any requirements to attend monthly drills. The request -- despite Bush's record -- was approved. That fall Bush enrolled in Harvard Business School. Both Bush and his aides have made numerous statements to the effect that Bush fulfilled all of his guard obligations. They point to Bush's honorable discharge as proof of this. But the records indicate that George W Bush missed a year of service. This lack of regular attendance goes against the basic concept of a National Guard kept strong by citizen soldiers who maintain their skills and preparedness through regular training.

    And we know that Bush understood that regular attendance was essential to the proficiency of the National Guard. In the Winter 1998 issue of the National Guard Review Bush is quoted as saying "I can remember walking up to my F-102 fighter and seeing the mechanics there. I was on the same team as them, and I relied on them to make sure that I wasn't jumping out of an airplane. There was a sense of shared responsibility in that case. The responsibility to get the airplane down. The responsibility to show up and do your job."

    Bush has found military readiness to be a handy campaign issue.
    Bush's unsatisfactory attendance could have resulted in being ordered to active duty for a period up to two years -- including a tour in Vietnam. Lieutenant Bush would have been aware of this as he had signed a statement which listed the penalties for poor attendance and unsatisfactory participation. Bush could also have faced a general court martial. But this was unlikely as it would have also meant dragging in the two officers who had signed off on his annual evaluation.
    Going after officers in this way would have been outside the norm. Most often an officer would be subject to career damaging letters of reprimand and poor Officers Effectiveness Ratings. These types of punishment would often result in the resignation of the officer. In Bush's case, as someone who still had a commitment for time not served, he could have been brought back and made to do drills. But this would have been a further embarrassment to the service as it would have made it semi-public that a Lieutenant Colonel and squadron commander had let one of his subordinates go missing for a year.

    For the Guard, for the ranking officers involved and for Lieutenant Bush the easiest and quietest thing to do was adding time onto his commitment and placing that time in the inactive reserves. Among these old documents there is a single clue as to how Bush finally fulfilled his obligations and made up for those missed drill days. In my first request for information I received a small three-page document containing the "Military Biography Of George Walker Bush." This was sent from the Headquarters Air Reserve Personnel Center (ARPC) in Denver Colorado.

    In this official summary of Bush's military service, I found something that was not mentioned in Bush's records from the National Guard Bureau in Arlington, Virginia. When Bush enlisted his commitment ran until May 26, 1974. This was the separation date shown on all documents as late as October 1973, when Bush was transferred to the inactive reserves at Denver, Colorado. But the date of final separation shown on the official summary from Denver, is November 21, 1974. The ARPC had tacked an extra six months on to Bush's commitment. Bush may have finally "made-up" his missed days. But he did so not by attending drills -- in fact he never attended drills again after he enrolled at Harvard. Instead, he had his name added to the roster of a paper unit in Denver, Colorado, a paper unit where he had no responsibility to show up and do a job.

    Bush has found military readiness to be a handy campaign issue. Yet even though more than two decades have passed since Bush left the Air National Guard, some military sources still bristle at his service record -- and what effect it had on readiness. "In short, for the several hundred thousand dollars we tax payers spent on getting [Bush] trained as a fighter jock, he repaid us with sixty-eight days of active duty. And God only knows if and when he ever flew on those days," concludes a military source. "I've spent more time cleaning up latrines than he did flying.">





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    http://www.georgewalkerbush.net/militaryrecord.htm


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  2. ReadyontheRight

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    Thanks Bountyhunter! I'm sure we'll be hearing a lot about this. It's good to know the record.
     
  3. moa

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    Kind of ridiculous that some writer brings this up now. They should have done their homework in 2000, when it would have meant something.

    Bush has been Commander-and-Chief for three years now, and a pretty decent one unless he was/is lying about the Iraq War. I do not think this story will have much of an effect on anybody except those who already hate Bush.

    Senator Kerry has a great military record, but when it comes to national defense and intelligence, Kerry is a first rate disaster. His Senate record is horrible.
     
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    Geez, at least Daddy Bush really did serve. If this is true (and I see no reason to think it isn't) I'd say he behaved every bit as shamefully as Slick Willie. Leaving the country to avoid taking on an obligation, or taking that obligation and ignoring it. Not a lot of difference IMHO.
     
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    Of course, the press didn't give a care when it was Beelzabubba and his "war" record-actively avoiding the draft, protesting the US in Moscows Red Square (you know, the guys providing all those SAM-2's to North Vietnam?). Especially when Bush Sr. has his record.
    Now that Kerry is looking like he might face Bush in November, the war record matters.
    One more reason to hate the press.


    Bush was a low level weasel compared to Klintons treasonous, self serving acts. Bubba also actively aided and abetted the enemy by his activity in the states and Soviet Union and occupied Eastern Europe.
    Useful idiot dope smoking pinko liar.
    Bush is just an idiot, comparatively.
    Klinton-sniveling lying communist weasel.
    Bush-weasel.
     
  6. Malone LaVeigh

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    There are some of us that think one of the few patriotic things Slick Willie ever did was oppose that stupid, unnecessary war.
     
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    Yeah, let's judge a man in his fifties by his behavior during his twenties. That makes about as much sense as saying that a guy's behavior during his fraternity-house years predetermines his suitability as a husband and father.

    MEGO.

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    YAWN
     
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    There are some of us that think one of the few patriotic things Slick Willie ever did was oppose that stupid, unnecessary war.

    The war may have been stupid and unnecessary and I see no problem with protesting the war..............but I have a serious problem with those that protested the warriors. When I came back from Nam I was spit on and called baby killer...............in San Francisco I put one guy in the hospital with a broken jaw and another with two broken ribs, cause if you spit on me then suffer the retaliation.:mad:
     
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    Outfrigginstanding!!!
     
  11. Jeff White

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    Bush didn't do anything different then thousands of others did.....

    That's right. It wasn't unusual for guardsmen and reservists not to fulfill their contracts. And it's still not. As a matter of fact BUsh was at the age and point in his life that most reservists who don't fulfill their contract leave the service for one reason or another. There comes a time when people make a decision between their civilian career and their part time military career. Often the military loses out and these people simply stop coming to drill.

    Yes there are provisions to reduce them in rank etc. And at that time they could be involuntarily ordered to active duty. Some units did the involuntary active duty thing but many didn't. I'm not aware of any officer that was ever involuntarily ordered to active duty, but I'm sure it happened.

    The author is wrong about Bush being subject to court martial. The Guard was not under UCMJ except when on active duty for training (i.e. annual training). Any discipline like that would have had to have been handled on the State side under Texas law.

    I would bet that he wasn't the only one from that unit to get by with skipping drills for a while either.

    This is more an indictment of how our reserve system works and not an indictment of the president.

    Jeff
     
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    Of course. The Dems are the best at throwing every piece of **** against the wall hoping some will stick.

    As long as we're talking about what was done in the 70s, I'm sure John Kerry's book will come up in the campaign too:

    Kerry%20cover.jpg

    If I was running for President of a country, I sure would regret publishing a book in my name that had that country's flag upside down on the cover - making fun of a statue dedicated to all Marines who have given their lives in defense of that country.
     
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    Bush's military record several decades ago doesn't concern me as much as his record as President for the past 3 years.

    As for Clinton or anybody else protesting a war or anything else our govt does, IMO that should be done on our own soil to affect the opinions of our own people, NOT in some foreign country.

    Let's keep our "family squabbles" at home, so to speak.

    That was my gripe with the Dixie Chix - not that they opposed the war against Iraq, but that they badmouthed the USA and our President while doing a concert in England.
     
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    I was listening to Michael Medved discussing this issue a few weeks ago. He noted that the F-102 was being phased out and that, given Bush's short remaining service commitment, it didn't make any sense to train him for a new aircraft. I would be interested in any facts that either support or refute this assertion.
     
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    They did. They asked Bush to make his military service records public and he refused (for obvious reasons).

    It's being brough up now because the Bushies are ripping into John Kerry and calling him a communist. Kerry served his tour in nam and came home and campaigned against the war. he also went on record saying some of what we were doing there was criminal (and it was). He is now getting fried for being vocal in his opposition to that war and they are attacking him for it.

    My opinion is that anybody who served his tour of duty in country has a right to voice their opinion on that war, and that opinion is a lot more valid than one from a coward with a rich daddy who got him a slot in the Air National Guard that let him spend the war drinking beer in Bamastan.:mad:
     
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    That's really pretty irrelevant to the point that Bush failed to fulfill his obligation of service. You agree to drill specific days and hours as well as serve two weeks active duty every year, and it is a contract. You go where they say, when the say, and that's what it is. It's the MILITARY. They don't say: "Well.... I'm not sure we really need you so why don't you just take off for a year and we'll skip the rest." It doesn't happen. Sometmes they tell you to go someplace silly like to the dedication of a new ship and just stnd there. My wife (who is a CO in a Naval Reserve unit) once told her people something like: "Report to the ship and mill about smartly." In other words, stand around and watch them launch a ship. You don't just take off when things get slow.
     
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    He does regret it. But what it boils down to is that at that time, he was making a statement about a war which was wrong... which he had participated in personally. It was intended to shock and make a statement, and it did. My point is that he wasn't a little rich snot hiding from the war, he did the time and earned the right to make the statement. If you don't agree, don't vote for him. But it just bugs me that Bush lovers choose to completely ignore the fact that he is as big a draft dodger as Clinton ever was.... except Bush has the gall to lie about it even when the records from the service show the truth.

    There's a saying that the worst day golfing is better than the best day working. IMO, the most screwed up war veteran who served is still more patriotic than the loudest rich boy who hid from the war because he could. I don't agree with everything kerry said, but I know how people got their heads screwed up by that war. Bush has no excuse, yet he still continues to lie to this day about his service record. IMO, that is a lot more of a disgrace to veterans.
     
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    Patriotism is more about what you're doing than what you did. If you're patriotic once, you do not automatically become a patriot for life. John Kerry is no patriot in my book. As a Marine, I find that book cover offensive and quite frankly could care less about John Kerry's "statement."
     
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    Like all this really mattered when Bob got-my-arm-blown-to-hell-in-Italy Dole ran against Bill [fill in yourself] Clinton. I think this is a yawner of an issue.;)
     
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    Someone wake me up if the monkeys throwing their feeces actually get anything to stick.

    Until then, I have the insides of my eyelids to inspect...
     
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    I think its a "pre-emptive strike" by Kerry and the Dems, knowing that Kerry's war protesting is going to come up.

    Been there, done that in 2000 with this story.

    I agree with "YAWN".
     
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    Recycled Horse Manure is STILL Horse Manure

    Why don't I get all upset when I hear about an EIGHTEEN MONTH HOLE IN GW'S SERVICE RECORD! or BUSH WAS AWOL FOR A YEAR! or similar dreck? It might be because I served in the military as a non-careerist and saw a hash made of my records, too.

    For Instance:
    * Half the schools I was sent to (and completed) not on my record
    * MORE than half the jumps I made not recorded in my training record
    - Same with the prodigious anmount of range time spent burning up taxpayer dollars
    * Two thirds of my awards not appearing on my records
    * Oh, and this is rich: my discharge certificate (the one you'd frame & hang up) lists my rank as SGT (E-5), despite the fact that I never progressed beyond SPC (E-4). I don't display it 'cause I don't want to have to 'splain about how the Army dorked it up. I tried to get another, corrected & framable cert, but it was not worth the bureaucratic nightmare of hoops I would have to jump through.

    If I were a careerist, I woulda kept immaculate records and pestered the training NCO and other record-keepers to keep my records as perfectly as possible. Since I knew I was going to get out, I was not too worried. I'd never go back into service unless the Reds/Islamists/whomever were threatenuing to walk down main street, so perfectly kept training records were not a priority. My current employer does not give a hoot if I had demo & CLS training or how many times I qualified with my weapon.

    Long story short: the military sucks eggs at personnel record keeping.

    Check out the the following from a retired AF reservist:
    Air Force Reservist Site

    Quote:
    "...if the member wants to take an extended period of absence from his/her duty for any reason—family, school, work in a political campaign, or just because he/she needs a break—he/she can do it with the unit commander’s permission. That’s it. That’s all that’s required. Not a flocking act of Congress, not some monetary exchange in a back room somewhere.

    I know this, because I did it. Yes, little bald-headed black chicks can take a break from the Reserves if they want to, just like rich white guys. And I kept my money--and my virtue, such as it is--in my pocket when I did it."
     
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    Being certified to fly a high performance jet fighter is not too shabby military credentials even if he did not fly that much and was essentially AWOL for a year. It is also dangerous duty.

    Also, we do not know why Bush was cut so much slack by the Guard. Might have been political pull, or maybe no one really cared anyway.

    Also, anybody who joins the Guard or Reserves always runs the risk of going full time active duty for extended periods. You see that today. During WWII, entire National Guard divisions were sent into combat. Example is the 29th Infantry Division which was part of the D-Day landing at Normandy, and follow-up combat. My uncles were in the 29th as Guardsment and they spent 6 years active duty.

    By the way, does anybody know if Sen. Ted Kennedy served in the military? I heard he did, and job was serving drinks in the USO. But that might be BS.
     
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