"The Turner Diaries" hurts our cause....

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Not care what the antis say? Well, in Marshmallow Fairy Land we wouldn't have to care what anyone else thinks. Here in the real world there are things like public opinion.
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Nope, I don't care what they say. And in the real world--welcome to it, by the way--you don't need to care what people think.

"Public opinion" is a term made up by social engineers to describe the effect that steady propaganda has on the minds of its recipients. In particular it describes the susceptibility of sheep-like minds to be led in whatever direction the media chooses to lead them. If you believe "public opinion" exists, you are not capable of free thought. The public does not have an opinion. Individuals do.
 
The Turner Diaries shoud absolutely be banned from gun shows. The last thing gun owners in this country need right now, is to be associated with the hate-spewing morons who subscribe to this garbage.
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How about books that advocate killing homosexuals? Should they be banned from gun shows, too?
 
Killing Homosexuals?

Are there books that advocate killing homosexuals? If there are, are they being sold at gun shows? If so, yeah, we should ban those too.

The Nazis certainly advocated killing homosexuals, and did, by the thousands. There may be something in the Turner Diaries about exterminating homosexuals. It wouldn't surprise me. However, I've never read it.
 
Should it be banned also ?
That is the book the white extremests seem to worship. There are certainly people who object to the book and it's teachings.
So, while we are banning books I don't see why that one should be exempt.


Oh wait, you only want the books YOU say are bad to be banned.
What you don't understand is that when you give someone the power to ban something the genie is now out of the bottle. YOU no longer have control over what is banned. You have shifted the balance of power from the people to the state. Right now you have the power to ignore those people at the gun show. You have the power to argue with them. You have the power to not buy their products. You have the power to post threads about them on-line. But, if you give up your power and turn that power over to the state, you no longer have a say in what happens: they do. They decide what books are going to be banned. They decide what books you can buy and sell which translates to them deciding what you can read. Because YOU gave them that power. You decided you wern't mature and sensible enough to make your own decision: you wanted someone else to decide what you could buy and what you could read.
Americans can't wait to bargin away their freedom a little bit at a time to support some pet cause they have. They don't even think about the long term effect. In fact they never even consider the concept of freedom and what that word means.
 
There may be something in the Turner Diaries about exterminating homosexuals. It wouldn't surprise me. However, I've never read it.
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Oh, so you're advocating banning it based on what, exactly? Something someone told you?

What if I told you it was about Jane Fonda's courtship? Would you think it's OK to sell at gunshows?

Maybe other people are intelligent enough to make up their own minds.
 
It's A Trap!!!

:eek: That's right. I forgot about the Bible. Does it actually say to kill them? Wow. That must have been in the Old Testament, when God was pissed off at everbody.

Maybe we should edit the bible. The Pope got away with it in the Middle Ages.
 
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That's right. I forgot about the Bible. Does it actually say to kill them? Wow. That must have been in the Old Testament, when God was pissed off at everbody.

Maybe we should edit the bible. The Pope got away with it in the Middle Ages.
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I rest my case.
 
Am I mistaken, or was the Klan outlawed in this country at one time? If we can outlaw the Klan, we can outlaw the Nazis.
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Great idea.... let's outlaw any viewpoint that the majority finds repugnant!! Dang, why didn't I think of that. Then we can all dance and sing under rainbow skies with gumdrop smiles........ Here in Mil ay wau kay firearms owners are a disliked minority. We can't have those vile gunowners running around, Bill of Rights be damned:rolleyes:
 
If it was my business then I could ban bibles, swastikas, or beef jerky on the premises.

I would bet that gun control groups have applied to set up booths at gunshows and have been turned down.
 
Certainly you can. It's your show.

But, you might be sued for the effort or protested. If you banned some books, or people, there would be a huge public outcry. There would be national news coverage. There would be financial and legal support for the group banned by groups such as the ACLU, the NAACP, the Rainbow Coalition, the Arab league etc. There would be webpages set up, there would be collections taken, there would be threads posted on The High Road.

If you banned other things like the Bible or the Turner Diaries no one would make a wimper about it.

The concept is exactly the same: one group is being singled out to be treated differently, to be discriminated aganist, but the way those people are treated will be different because they arnt' a part of a protected group. They arn't a member of a group the PC crowd choses to support. They are members of a group that can have their rights violated while the other group will be defended at all cost.
And there is the problem for me.
 
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First of all, I don't appreciate having my intelligence insulted.

Yeah, someone told me that Nazis are evil, and I believe them. I guess I don't really need to read it, do I.

I don't believe they are selling any books about Jane Fonda at gun shows, so what's your point? And you question my inteligence? :cool:
 
A private business (mall, gun show) deciding what can be displayed or marketed at their function is not censorship.
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So abolishing the First Amendment by proxy--which is, after all, what you're suggesting--is okay? :barf:

How about every business in the world bans people carrying firearms, pal? Poof! Instant repeal of Second Amendment...by proxy. Congratulations--you've found the loophole the statists have always wanted: taking away rights and calling it freedom!
 
I would bet that gun control groups have applied to set up booths at gunshows and have been turned down.
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I would take their money if it was up to me.

We are in the right. We are not perfect, nor is everyone that owns guns perfect. But if we cower in the shadows as some here are advocating, we are telling the world we are wrong.
 
First of all, I don't appreciate having my intelligence insulted.

Yeah, someone told me that Nazis are evil, and I believe them. I guess I don't really need to read it, do I.
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TD isn't about nazis. It's about white-supremacists.

I don't believe they are selling any books about Jane Fonda at gun shows, so what's your point?
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I'm typing this slowly. You said you wanted TD banned because someone said it was bad. I just asked whether if I told you it was OK you'd be in favor of selling it at the show. Ask someone to explain the "Turner-Fonda" connection.

And you question my inteligence?
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No, I don't.
 
If you refuse to let me onto your property because you don't like what I represent that is not a violation of my civil rights.

If someone knocks on my door handing out Earth First literature I will tell them to leave ASAP. Their right to expression does not trump my property rights or right to association.
 
If you refuse to let me onto your property because you don't like what I represent that is not a violation of my civil rights.

If someone knocks on my door handing out Earth First literature I will tell them to leave ASAP. Their right to expression does not trump my property rights or right to association.
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I absolutely agree with you on this point, and on the show's owners having the right to decide what can be sold.

I just disagree about trying to appease the PC is all.
 
Oh wait, you only want the books YOU say are bad to be banned.
What you don't understand is that when you give someone the power to ban something the genie is now out of the bottle. YOU no longer have control over what is banned. You have shifted the balance of power from the people to the state. Right now you have the power to ignore those people at the gun show. You have the power to argue with them. You have the power to not buy their products. You have the power to post threads about them on-line. But, if you give up your power and turn that power over to the state, you no longer have a say in what happens: they do. They decide what books are going to be banned. They decide what books you can buy and sell which translates to them deciding what you can read. Because YOU gave them that power. You decided you wern't mature and sensible enough to make your own decision: you wanted someone else to decide what you could buy and what you could read.
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Even worse: he wanted someone else to decide what other people could read.
Americans can't wait to bargin away their freedom a little bit at a time to support some pet cause they have. They don't even think about the long term effect. In fact they never even consider the concept of freedom and what that word means.
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I must say, 444, you have a great understanding of freedom, and of the mindset that destroys it. If only most people were smart enough to understand you, we'd be getting somewhere.
 
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