The UK Gestapo

[Duncaninfrance]

So how can you tell when a politician is lying?

THEIR MOUTHS ARE OPEN!

Duncan

 

[joab]

I

t is not mere coincidence that Comrade Bush and Comrade Blair are such close pals these days.

Appropriate for third grade ,credibility diminishing, name calling from somebody who sees the Guardian as anything but a second rate Enquirer type newspaper with less integrity and worse writers.

In the future why not just say "I hate Bush and Blair" in big two inch script and let that be the entire body of your post. Everything else is lost to the Comrade and/or Nazi references anyway

 

[Iain]

Run "Tony Martin" in the Guardian archives. Read the extensive series of articles they ran about his case. Then compare with all the other papers and news transcripts, as well as some of the so-called "conservative" opposition party input on the subject. See how many "conservatives" even opened their mouths once to defend Mr Martin - let alone any of Comrade Blair's party or the Liberal Democrats.

There is a good reason why lots of "conservative" newspapers and the like failed to defend Mr Martin after the full facts of the case came out.

If we're going to use these labels then I would generally consider it accurate to refer to the Guardian as not being conservative.

 

[LAK]

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Appropriate for third grade ,credibility diminishing, name calling from somebody who sees the Guardian as anything but a second rate Enquirer type newspaper with less integrity and worse writers.

In the future why not just say "I hate Bush and Blair" in big two inch script and let that be the entire body of your post. Everything else is lost to the Comrade and/or Nazi references anyway

Credibility? George W Bush - like his father, like Tony Blair, and every one of their stinking cronies - is a global socialist.

That equals; no credibility. He has none. Unless you think socialism has some redeeming quality that conservatives everywhere are unaware of and need to know about.

His position? The Office? If it is soiled, it is by fraudulent representation. Bill Clinton was no different in this regard, but at least he did not attempt to masquerade as a conservative. There is no provision in the Constitution for the highest ranking official in the Executive branch to engage us in a global socialist agenda - or allow us to remain there.

That set the matter straight for you?
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[LAK]

There is a good reason why lots of "conservative" newspapers and the like failed to defend Mr Martin after the full facts of the case came out.

If we're going to use these labels then I would generally consider it accurate to refer to the Guardian as not being conservative.

I followed the Martin story to the end, including the facts - in so far as they were made public. It is ongoing, and it is a relevant and substantial enough issue to cover in another thread. There was no good reason to abandon Tony Martin. Those "conservatives" did so under under intense pressure from their party leadership - which seems to be terminally infected with the same disease introduced into our own here in the United States. It's called;

SOLD.

And while Comrade Blair's government - and police - are increasingly empowered - the Tony Martin's are being imprisoned.

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[joab]

That equals; no credibility. He has none.

RIF.
Bush and Blair are not the ones using the playground book of third grade name calling here, you are.
I was speaking of your credibility

There is a feature here that allows you to change the size of the script in your post

If you simply increase the size to the highest level ans simply write
"I hate the George Bushs and everything is their fault"
It would take up the same amount of space and save us the trouble of reading through the drivel and hyperbole to get the exact same message.

Don't bother responding, you're now on the redundant list

 

[LAK]

Ah, a personal attack. Quite honestly, I really couldn't care less what you personally think of me.

So are you going to redecorate, redefine or refute what precisely the two Comrades are themselves, in political terms? I would really like to see that.

They are both on record publically as having stated what they have been and are doing - openly. This in the domestic poltical sphere and international forums. Blair is going three terms over the pond; I wonder who is going to replace his junior partner comrade George in their fraudulent agenda for "prosperity and peace in every land"? Global peace and prosperity, eh?

"Name calling"? That's amusing. It has and does come from their own actions, inactions and words from their own stinking mouths. It is recorded in publicly archived documents, and official government speech transcripts - in addition to press releases and press reports.

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[LAK]

For those interested in the net effect of the ever increasingly empowered British government and police - and the diminished rights of an Englishman; the Guardian's coverage of the Tony Martin story can be accessed here including all previous articles (The Guardian actually archives all it's stories online with free access):

http://www.guardian.co.uk/martin/0,2759,214318,00.html

Now, comparatively speaking - bearing in mind that socialism is even more rife in "conservative" circles in the U.K. than in than in the U.S. - which is a real trash liberal tabloid;

http://www.guardian.co.uk/
http://www.mirror.co.uk

Compare. You decide.
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[agricola]

I followed the Martin story to the end, including the facts - in so far as they were made public. It is ongoing, and it is a relevant and substantial enough issue to cover in another thread. There was no good reason to abandon Tony Martin. Those "conservatives" did so under under intense pressure from their party leadership - which seems to be terminally infected with the same disease introduced into our own here in the United States. It's called;

SOLD.

And while Comrade Blair's government - and police - are increasingly empowered - the Tony Martin's are being imprisoned.
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There was entirely good reason to abandon Tony Martin - his defence case was manifestly lies, as a trial jury and the Appeal Court found. If what Martin had said was the truth, he would not have been convicted as there are a great many (strangely unpublished!) cases where people have not even been charged, let alone convicted. The difference of course is these people defended themselves, instead of lying in wait (after telling as many people as he could that he would kill the next trespassers he found), ambushing burglars with a gun that was both illegal and illegally held (his guns had been taken off him after several incidents - shooting at apple scrumpers, shooting his neighbours windows out after a dispute etc) and then fleeing the scene.

You also demonstrate a lack of understanding because the Conservatives have consistently backed, if not Tony Martin, then the hype that sprung up around his case, to the extent of two failed PMB's on the issue. They also have very little influence over even those papers that follow a conservative (small c) line.

These Private Members Bills died because a) noone, including the Tory leader at the time, was able to point to anyone who has actually been convicted under the current legislation who would not be under the proposed one (or for that matter anyone who had been convicted for defending themselves) and the CPS was able to restate the state of the law in this area.

 

[Iain]

I'd add that the Guardian article I read the other day, on your advice LAK, wasn't exactly supportive of Martin. Unless you count dwelling on his marriage links to founders of the (racist) National Front, and allegations of his support for the (racist) British National Party, as being supportive.

 

[Zedicus]

Moderator, I think it may be time to end this descussion, it is simply turning into a flamefest.

 

[joab]

It began as an unresearched flame fest, why stop it now?

 

[agricola]

Moderator, I think it may be time to end this descussion, it is simply turning into a flamefest.

its hardly flaming to bring your latest fib down.

 

[asiparks]

The Guardian is editorially left of centre, you might not like what you read in it, but the stories are invariably well researched and well fact checked. In fact, with the exception of The Independant, between all the papers, Sunday Sport through Sunday Times, they probably offer the least coloured coverage of current events

All it needs is a page 3.....