Nolo
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In this thread, I would like to discuss designs and concepts for the ultimate combat rifle round. Please note that I am not considering "exotics" such as caseless ammo, flechettes or other such things, only conventional bullet technology (with the exception of Duplex and Salvo-SqueezeBore rounds, as they are well documented and easily achievable in "normal" firearms). Consider also that this is a thread for discussion, rather than just me babbling my head off. I'm here for input from you, the people who actually know what they're talking about. Also, this thread is solely for the discussion of the cartridges, I'll get to the rifles later. So, basically, unless it has to do with countering an imbalance in a cartridge (like damping recoil), let's save it for later.
So first I'd like to make the observation that different rounds fill different needs, so, in reality, there is no "ultimate combat round", but I'll use that term anyway for simplicity. Thus, I would like to define the requirements that will be put upon the caliber to determine its effectiveness:
For an Assault Rifle:
-The round must have an effective range of at least 400 meters.
-The round must be able to pierce CRISAT body armor at 200 meters.
-30 rounds of this type must weigh no more than 20 rounds of 7.62x51 NATO (i.e. each round must weigh no more than .033 pounds; 1 round of 7.62N weighs approximately .05 pounds, 1 round of 5.56 weighs approximately .025 pounds).
-The round must have recoil no greater than 2 times that of the 5.56x45 NATO.
-The round must be able to produce no less than 1800 ft-lbs of energy from a 16-inch barrel (at the muzzle).
For a Battle Rifle:
-The round must have an effective range of at least 700 meters.
-The round must be able to pierce CRISAT body armor at 400 meters.
-20 rounds of this type must weigh no more than 20 rounds of .30-06 (.06 pounds per round).
-The round must have recoil no greater than that of a .30-06.
-The round must be able to produce no less than 2500 ft-lbs of energy from an 18-inch barrel.
For a "Gun Hose":
-The round must have an effective range of at least 300 meters.
-The round must be able to pierce CRISAT body armor at 100 meters.
-50 rounds of this type must weigh no more than 30 rounds of 5.56x45 NATO (.016 pounds per round).
-The round must have recoil no greater than that of a 9mm Parabellum.
-The round must be able to produce no less than 350 ft-lbs of energy from a 16-inch barrel.
These are the three basic types of combat rifles I can think of. Battle rifles give you power, range and accuracy while sacrificing rate of fire and adding weight. Likewise, "gun hoses" have high rates of fire and light rounds, but they don't have very good accuracy (at range), range or power (per round). Assault rifles are somewhere in the middle, having adequate range and reasonable power, as well as relatively light cartridges. Thus, because the rifles are different, the requirements must be too.
So my first question is. which of these would you recommend for a modern army (i.e. the U.S. Army) to be armed with? My choice would be the Assault rifle, merely because it is in the middle and can be used sufficiently in either of the extremes. Also, I would like to add that, if you have any qualms with the requirements I have set forth, that you tell me. I am certainly able to change them.
So first I'd like to make the observation that different rounds fill different needs, so, in reality, there is no "ultimate combat round", but I'll use that term anyway for simplicity. Thus, I would like to define the requirements that will be put upon the caliber to determine its effectiveness:
For an Assault Rifle:
-The round must have an effective range of at least 400 meters.
-The round must be able to pierce CRISAT body armor at 200 meters.
-30 rounds of this type must weigh no more than 20 rounds of 7.62x51 NATO (i.e. each round must weigh no more than .033 pounds; 1 round of 7.62N weighs approximately .05 pounds, 1 round of 5.56 weighs approximately .025 pounds).
-The round must have recoil no greater than 2 times that of the 5.56x45 NATO.
-The round must be able to produce no less than 1800 ft-lbs of energy from a 16-inch barrel (at the muzzle).
For a Battle Rifle:
-The round must have an effective range of at least 700 meters.
-The round must be able to pierce CRISAT body armor at 400 meters.
-20 rounds of this type must weigh no more than 20 rounds of .30-06 (.06 pounds per round).
-The round must have recoil no greater than that of a .30-06.
-The round must be able to produce no less than 2500 ft-lbs of energy from an 18-inch barrel.
For a "Gun Hose":
-The round must have an effective range of at least 300 meters.
-The round must be able to pierce CRISAT body armor at 100 meters.
-50 rounds of this type must weigh no more than 30 rounds of 5.56x45 NATO (.016 pounds per round).
-The round must have recoil no greater than that of a 9mm Parabellum.
-The round must be able to produce no less than 350 ft-lbs of energy from a 16-inch barrel.
These are the three basic types of combat rifles I can think of. Battle rifles give you power, range and accuracy while sacrificing rate of fire and adding weight. Likewise, "gun hoses" have high rates of fire and light rounds, but they don't have very good accuracy (at range), range or power (per round). Assault rifles are somewhere in the middle, having adequate range and reasonable power, as well as relatively light cartridges. Thus, because the rifles are different, the requirements must be too.
So my first question is. which of these would you recommend for a modern army (i.e. the U.S. Army) to be armed with? My choice would be the Assault rifle, merely because it is in the middle and can be used sufficiently in either of the extremes. Also, I would like to add that, if you have any qualms with the requirements I have set forth, that you tell me. I am certainly able to change them.
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