The UN is NOT going to take your Guns

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I have to chime in on this one. First off, I cannot STAND this "guns kill people and are SO evil" mentality that is infecting our society. How far will these socialists go? Are we to become as Nazi Germany or any other nation that's been raped by the cancer that is fascism? That's all I see when I hear of things such as the UN talks and Democratic bitching on how guns are the reason for crime and that they should be illegal. I think that the next Civil War has begun already. To be frank, I'm scared. I'm only 23 and who's to say what I may see in the next 20 years of my life? Will I see this country ravaged by socialism (more so than it already is)? It's people like Hitlery (great term for her BTW), Kerry, and all the other leftists that will bring this country to war IMO. Not war on foriegn soil but war here in our own backyards. Whose to say that if a liberal/leftist administration was to come to power there wouldn't be another secession by those states who still believed in what the Framers started 230+ years ago? If I'm taking it to far by saying that then please correct me, but I fear these sheeple. I gave 3 years of my life defending this country and I will give whatever is necessary, my life if need be, to defend the rights that my forefathers and many others have laid down their life for. My rights as an American state that I have the right as a Human to keep and bear arms, thus I will do so until the day I die. Be it at the hands of those who would oppose those rights or the Hand of Almighty God.
 
The UN isn't going to take your guns, fellow Americans are.

Even if some magical law was passed, who do you thinks going to enforce it?

Nigerian and Moroccan troops?

Stupid laws being passed is more of a threat. Just look at Californias bullet ID bill.
 
Where Do You Stand

The kind of people who are behind this enjoy folks like you. They'd never pass up a chance to make an example - like they did at Waco - to show the rest of us who is in charge...
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The kind of people who are in front of this don't cower and hide. Let them attempt to make an example - like they did in Waco - and I'll show them the true meaning and intent of the Second Amendment.

Do you honestly think that standing on my soapbox and speaking my mind about the ins and outs of violating the Constitution is going to turn those in government into raving lunatic power mad Janet Reno's? Those who would come for me and my guns are ALREADY raving lunatic power mad Janet Reno's.

I'm not a David Coresh. I'm not a Timothy McVeigh. Hell, I'm not even a Randy Weaver or a Miller(of US v. Miller). I'm just Woody. I vote. I espouse the virtues of the Constitution. I berate the actions of those who ignore and twist the Constitution. I also stand on my rights.

I'm not like someone like Mayor Bloomberg of New York City who takes the law into his own hands, operating outside the law like some self righteous vigilante. I'm merely standing my ground. I'm merely standing on the Constitution. If those raving lunatic power mad Janet Reno's in government don't like what I say, they'll have to come and shut me up.

So, when they come for me, hide in the bushes and watch if you like. Then run home and turn in all your weapons, wipe your hard drive, and put on your gray pants and shirt and maybe they'll let you live. Go ahead and pad your wrists and ankles for the chains that'll be heading your way, too.

Woody

"Freedom is good for the individual, good for the human condition, and good for society as well. It is the only way individual accountability can be valid, for a person who is not free to do as he sees fit cannot be blamed... or genuinely rewarded." K.L.Dimond
 
We would say so, but frankly our opinions don't matter in this instance. What does is opinions handed down by courts - the United States Supreme Court in particular.
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Oh yeah, WE don't matter. America itself doesn't matter. Only what the Supreme Court says matters! :rolleyes:

Supreme BS. Don't be a sheep. Defy tyranny.

If we found ourselves with a left-wing congress and administration - something that could happen as soon as 2008 - and such a treaty or agreement was enacted - the only thing that would upset it would be a ruling by the SCOTUS, and getting a favorable ruling for our side is by no means assured. Where are you at if the ruling from an activist court says that the 2nd. Amendment does not protect the right of individuals to own firearms?
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Right where I am now, knowing that resistance to tyranny is obedience to God.
 
So if the UN only acts by proxy, everything is just peachy?
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I didn't say everything would be peachy ... the original post took to task the legitimacy and honesty of the statement "The UN is NOT going to take your Guns"

Mine was only a discussion of semantics. ;)



On a side note, I think there are a lot in the RKBA community who expect blue helmeted thugs to come riding down their street some day, kicking in doors and taking guns. To many, the idea of shooting a bunch of blue helmeted foreigners in the head is not that bad, maybe even a somewhat romantic notion.

The thing to keep in mind is that if it ever gets to that point, you're going to have to shoot Americans ... your fellow citizens wearing badges and not necessarily on your front step because they agree with the confiscations. I don't know about you guys, but that thought saddens me ... and would certainly make it a much harder thing to do.


No sir "the Revolution" (if it ever comes to that) will not be romantic or glorious, its going to be messy, painful and sad.
 
When someone says they have the one true way to fix things and then observes that no other pro-RKBA organization will support their effort, I think that says pretty much all that needs to be said.

I find it difficult to believe that the proposed solution is such a good one if she can't get a single pro-RKBA group to support it. Whatever else pro-RKBA groups may be, they certainly don't all march to the beat of the same drum.
 
If the day ever comes, I think most gun owners will have trouble distinguishing what shade of blue the gun confiscators are wearing. That being said, I dont think that it will ever be attempted (by anyone, foreign or domestic) as long as any meaningful resistance could be expected. They are cowards and few in number and our generation has the advantage of already being armed. The real question will be what sort of people inherit the country from us.
 
Gun Confiscation

I came very close to facing the evil beast of gun confiscation last year during the Katrina aftermath. On day eight, I was supervising a crew installing additional backup power equipment in New Orleans East. We were all armed. One of our customer’s guys returned to our jobsite after trying to make a trip to the North Shore. He told me that the St. Tammany Parish Sheriff Office had a check point at the north end of the US-11 bridge and they were confiscating firearms from ALL northbound traffic. This guy was armed, in a marked company vehicle, and was authorized full access to the area. The sheriff deputy took his firearms, (pistol & rifle), allowed him to turn around, and then returned his firearms as long as he was headed back into New Orleans. As far as we knew at that time, US-11 was our only available route out of New Orleans. So, we could either give our guns to the St. Tammany Parish Sheriff Office, leave them at the job site, (it was secure, but who knows when we would be able to retrieve them, and we were carrying for a very good reason), or find another way out of town while avoiding anyone else with a badge that might want our guns. We chose the later. Being the boss, I had to ask each of my guys if they would surrender their guns if there was no alternative. They all said yes they would. Then I had to tell them that IF the supposed authorities left me no option, I would not surrender my guns and they, (my guys), needed to remove themselves from the lines of fire. What an absolutely sickening feeling. I’m a Veteran, have worked in law enforcement and have friends in LE, and the realization that I truly might have to bear arms against former comrades made me physically ill.:barf: Fortunately, after many hours of grim determination and a lot of back tracking, we found a route out of the city. Although we went through several check points we weren’t challenged. Thank YOU GOD!:D

As a side note, we, (my employer), supplied logistical support to the ATF during the first month or so of the recovery/cleanup. Our office is just around the corner from theirs on the North Shore, and we had a loading dock, forklift, power, water, a shower, air conditioning, and a large classroom and conference area we turned into a sleeping area for the ATF agents. After our encounter with gun confiscation, I looked up one of the senior ATF agents and related my story and asked him point blank whether or not the AFT was behind any of this crap. He swore that weren’t and he and several other agents went out of their way to encourage those of going into the city to carry guns.
 
You shouldn be more concerned about what "publik edukashun" is doing to your fellow American. How many blissfully walk around, ignorant of their own country's history and traditions, and believeing everything the Box tells them?

Take as many people out shooting as you can. Get more Americans involved in the sport. It's about numbers, people. It's only public ignorance that allows the hoplophobe agenda to flourish. Educated Americans can spot the horsepucky being shoveled by the gun-grabbers, and can cast an informed vote.

If the time comes where we are all hunkered down in our homes (those that still have firearms after being piecemealed to death in the preceding years), waiting for the Bad Man to come and try to take them, it's FAR too late.
 
"What was the ATF even doing in Katrina during cleanup? Auditing FFLs with scuba gear?" Initially, they were doing the same as everyone else, simply helping out where they could. They were part of the federal force that eventually established order in the city. Later, they visited all the damaged and destroyed guns shops securing records and firearms that hadn't been looted or destroyed.
 
Antsi,

The mere fact that the Bush administration has not withdrawn the United States from that international crime syndicate says enough for me. George Bush says and does the "right things" when it suits him, but make no mistake - and I have quoted him verbatem in previous threads - he is right behind the UN agenda all the way. He will not be in for another term; his replacement will do the rest, and so on.

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The mere fact that the Bush administration has not withdrawn the United States from that international crime syndicate
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And President Hilary will withdraw the US from the UN?
President Nader?

I'd love to see it happen, but there's nobody even remotely electable who is advocating withdrawal from the UN.

If you are concerned because Bush is too supportive of the UN, you ought to be seething, livid, and frothing at the mouth regarding every other national politician on this issue.
 
The mere fact that the Bush administration has not withdrawn the United States from that international crime syndicate says enough for me.
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Do you honestly believe that ANY US President has the power to withdraw us from the United Nations? Someone needs to learn their civics a little better.

Plus there's no consensus even among Republicans that we need to leave the UN (hell, I'm not convinced that leaving the UN would be a good idea and I'm about as anti-UN as they come).

Frankly, GW sending Bolton up there to monkeywrench the UN seems to be a much more effective tactic than just "taking our ball and going home".

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It embarrasses me that so many of my allies on the gun control issue are such crackpots...
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Yep, I just keep thinking about Richard Hofstadter's The Paranoid Style in American Politics:

The paranoid spokesman sees the fate of conspiracy in apocalyptic terms — he traffics in the birth and death of whole worlds, whole political orders, whole systems of human values. He is always manning the barricades of civilization... he does not see social conflict as something to be mediated and compromised, in the manner of the working politician. Since what is at stake is always a conflict between absolute good and absolute evil, what is necessary is not compromise but the will to fight things out to a finish. Since the enemy is thought of as being totally evil and totally unappeasable, he must be totally eliminated — if not from the world, at least from the theatre of operations to which the paranoid directs his attention. This demand for total triumph leads to the formulation of hopelessly unrealistic goals, and since these goals are not even remotely attainable, failure constantly heightens the paranoid’s sense of frustration. Even partial success leaves him with the same feeling of powerlessness with which he began, and this in turn only strengthens his awareness of the vast and terrifying quality of the enemy he opposes.
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"First and foremost, the Second Amendment would prohibit the President the power to create, and the Senate to concur on the creation of, anything that would infringe upon our Right to Keep and Bear Arms."

Ah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

You have more of these, yes? Wonderful comedy.

The gun legislation history of the 20th century would like a word with you if you were actually trying to be serious.

I would tend to consider the inability of citizens to own modern military weapons, onerous 'school protection zones', the entire state of California, and idiotic restrictions on silencers, among other things, to be infringements upon our Right to Keep and Bear Arms.
 
What Does This Tell You...

I would tend to consider the inability of citizens to own modern military weapons, onerous 'school protection zones', the entire state of California, and idiotic restrictions on silencers, among other things, to be infringements upon our Right to Keep and Bear Arms.
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...about those who came before us? What does that tell you about what we must do and who we must vote for?

And This:

The paranoid spokesman sees the fate of conspiracy in apocalyptic terms — he traffics in the birth and death of whole worlds, whole political orders, whole systems of human values. He is always manning the barricades of civilization... he does not see social conflict as something to be mediated and compromised, in the manner of the working politician. Since what is at stake is always a conflict between absolute good and absolute evil, what is necessary is not compromise but the will to fight things out to a finish. Since the enemy is thought of as being totally evil and totally unappeasable, he must be totally eliminated — if not from the world, at least from the theatre of operations to which the paranoid directs his attention. This demand for total triumph leads to the formulation of hopelessly unrealistic goals, and since these goals are not even remotely attainable, failure constantly heightens the paranoid’s sense of frustration. Even partial success leaves him with the same feeling of powerlessness with which he began, and this in turn only strengthens his awareness of the vast and terrifying quality of the enemy he opposes.
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Who wrote that? Obviously, it was written by someone addressing those unwilling to discuss societal norms. We're not talking religious faith, birth control, interracial marriage, or any other of a myriad of social conflicts or deviations from societal norms worthy of compromise or "mediation". We are talking basic human rights here.

Without those basic human rights protected by those of us unwilling to compromise them away, you open the door for, and end up in, a totalitarian society where there is NEVER any compromise or mediation(however any form of mediation might apply to such issues). Take those great sounding philosophical platitudes and stick them where the sun don't shine. As far as standing up for and protecting our basic human rights go, that is the first step in placing those platitudes(shall I say "grunting and straining") into the proper receptacle for flushing them away. Don't forget to wipe, and wash your hands when you are through.

Stand up for your rights or get down on your knees and prostrate yourself to the next "god here on the earth" dictator. I'll caution you, though, not to stand between him and my sights.

Woody

Look at your rights and freedoms as what would be required to survive and be free as if there were no government. If that doesn't convince you to take a stand and protect your inalienable rights and freedoms, nothing will. If that doesn't convince you to maintain your personal sovereignty, you are already someone else's subject. If you don't secure your rights and freedoms to maintain your personal sovereignty now, it'll be too late to come to me for help when they come for you. I will already be dead because I had to stand alone. B.E.Wood
 
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A lot of you guys like to write. So I will keep my reply to this post simple. I'm a old man who takes too many pain meds, if they "they being whomever" would like to try and take my guns let them come and get them. My best years are long behind me.
 
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Do you honestly believe that ANY US President has the power to withdraw us from the United Nations? Someone needs to learn their civics a little better.
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He (or she) certainly does; who exactly is it that your civics class taught you has the power to enter the United States into treaties with foreign governments?
Plus there's no consensus even among Republicans that we need to leave the UN (hell, I'm not convinced that leaving the UN would be a good idea and I'm about as anti-UN as they come).
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It is not a matter or being "anti-UN"; the United Nations is an international criminal organization - a global terroristic institution that operates under an ideology of global socialism. Those so-called "republicans" ought to just join them, as it seems that is where they belong.
Frankly, GW sending Bolton up there to monkeywrench the UN seems to be a much more effective tactic than just "taking our ball and going home".
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We've been throwing monkey wrenches for decades in the mafia (various forms), drug cartels, and now "terrorists". It's a big show that is an ongoing excuse to drain our resources - blood and money - and needs to stop. The president has the power to withdraw the United States from the "United Nations" with the stroke of a pen. After that, whether Congress decides to "fund it" or not becomes a moot issue.

It really is that simple. What Bolton has done is honorable - assuming he is not putting on another show, but it is not going to last. There has been, and continues to be heavy pressure to eliminate the veto; for "real democracy" within the UN. It is not going to last for long, and you can bank on them going forward with their collective agenda when the veto no longer exists.

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The paranoid spokesman sees the fate of conspiracy in apocalyptic terms — he traffics in the birth and death of whole worlds, whole political orders, whole systems of human values. He is always manning the barricades of civilization... he does not see social conflict as something to be mediated and compromised, in the manner of the working politician. Since what is at stake is always a conflict between absolute good and absolute evil, what is necessary is not compromise but the will to fight things out to a finish. Since the enemy is thought of as being totally evil and totally unappeasable, he must be totally eliminated — if not from the world, at least from the theatre of operations to which the paranoid directs his attention. This demand for total triumph leads to the formulation of hopelessly unrealistic goals, and since these goals are not even remotely attainable, failure constantly heightens the paranoid’s sense of frustration. Even partial success leaves him with the same feeling of powerlessness with which he began, and this in turn only strengthens his awareness of the vast and terrifying quality of the enemy he opposes.
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I have news for this writer: Apocalypse does come, and not that infrequently.

That said, it's always prudent to get involved and work rationally and cooperatively while you can.

When you are dealing with leftists you should always keep a little paranoia handy.
 
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