The War has just begun!
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I love how you list a lot of "sporting" looking guns, all that have that rustic, American look. You're either a bad troll, or a brainwashed 12 year old from Massachusetts who thinks he's making a difference by trying to get us to endorse Obama based on speculation from a random stranger on the internet.
What, you're not sure?
Sounds illegal, at least, if you don't give all the money to an organization that will support those laws. (sensible is subjective, so the NRA would work). You would, however, need to file all sorts of tax forms, and as a nonprofit they can be viewed and you would be outed faster than lightning.
Sporting *looking* guns? no, every single one of those was carried in the field at one point or another. No rifles because Indiana has one of those lame no rifle laws.
I'm also not trying to get you to endorse Obama. I could really care less who you vote for. Besides - elections over, little late for endorsements, don't you think?
The bigger point i'm trying to make is not all Democrats are trying to take guns away. A lot of us don't want to see that happen. By and large, it's not something very high on the list of priorities. Certainly with the recent rush to load up, there's even more pressure to back off the subject.
It's late. Typos happen.
All the ones that voted for an anti-gun President are. Indirectly so, but it's still quite vexing. I'm not a 1 issue voter, but I do keep in mind that without RKBA, we have no other rights; who's going to stop them if they trample on the other rights?
Which is why they included on the DNC national platform, right? That's the list of things that are utterly insignificant to them, isn't it?
[Bill Cosby voice] Riiiiiight...
If, of course, you're referring not to a statewide ban on rifles, perhaps you mean a ban on rifle hunting? Might want to check again, they've changed the law to allow deer hunting with rifles.
so sorry - i believe the exact wording of the law if i remember correctly was "no centerfire bottleneck cartridges" for hunting.
edit: Appears they've changed the definition a bit - now "rifles that use pistol cartridges" is how it's described. See for yourself:
http://www.in.gov/dnr/files/fw-Deer_Hunting_Equipment.pdf
edit: Appears they've changed the definition a bit - now "rifles that use pistol cartridges" is how it's described. See for yourself:
http://www.in.gov/dnr/files/fw-Deer_Hunting_Equipment.pdf
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wyocarp
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I read that title and I immediately went and opened my safe and started gearing up.
A-190
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It is ridiculous to state that the demos are not going after the weapons. IT is a well established fact that the dems historically to 1968 have imposed regulation after regulation on legal gun owner ship and that dems have progressively went after hunting, firearms shooting, Evil black weapons, and ammunition in one form or another in most of our remembered life time............
Low on their priority...............I think not..............otherwise it would not be on Obamas web page....................
Low on their priority...............I think not..............otherwise it would not be on Obamas web page....................
I hear you Sinixstar but what has people on edge is what is in Obama's platform on his website. The fact that current "Assault" weapons are no more than single fire adaptations of a battle weapon, previous military weaponry followed the same route to the field, such as the flintlock, lever repeaters, and bolt action rifles.
"Address Gun Violence in Cities: As president, Barack Obama would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which restricts the ability of local law enforcement to access important gun trace information, and give police officers across the nation the tools they need to solve gun crimes and fight the illegal arms trade. Obama and Biden also favor commonsense measures that respect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and from criminals who shouldn't have them. They support closing the gun show loophole and making guns in this country childproof. They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent, as such weapons belong on foreign battlefields and not on our streets."
I hope you are right but the re-introduction of the Assault weapons ban may get a nod since it was last introduced by a Republican from Illinois. There may not be enough opposition on the Dems side, and there may be a push to pass just to get something passed for posterity since much of the new spending plans may be difficult to sell. There are obviously Reps that are for the ban. Most people that do not own rifles or have only one, may buy into the fear mongering and miss-direction that goes along with selling this ban.
A-190, look at the history of all those bills. Not a single one passes without pretty good Repub support. To blame it on "the liberals" or "the Democrats" is... short sighted at best.
If we're going to address the problem, we have to address THE WHOLE problem.
The "anti" movement gets this stuff through, because they have bi-partisan support (for whatever reason). Meanwhile the "pro" group (those of us on here) can't get past the D/R issue. We get reduced to "fringe" elements as a result.
That's the point that I'm trying to make. The longer you guys push back against people like me, I mean - i'm here for the same reasons you are - the more both of us get screwed.
If we're going to address the problem, we have to address THE WHOLE problem.
The "anti" movement gets this stuff through, because they have bi-partisan support (for whatever reason). Meanwhile the "pro" group (those of us on here) can't get past the D/R issue. We get reduced to "fringe" elements as a result.
That's the point that I'm trying to make. The longer you guys push back against people like me, I mean - i'm here for the same reasons you are - the more both of us get screwed.
MT GUNNY
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started a negative trend on my Thread, can we please get back to the Fight For Our Right to Bear Arms Instead of fighting OURSELVES!
started a negative trend on my Thread, can we please get back to the Fight For Our Right to Bear Arms Instead of fighting OURSELVES!
the last AWB passed by one vote, in a time that I'd wager the congress was mostly liberal, if only by a bit. The bi-partisan support - if present - is more in our favor than theirs. Aside from five or so people from the North, I've heard ofr many, many so-called pro-gun Democrats. We'll see how pro-gun they are in the upcoming years... Hopefully, we'll find out that our pessimism was uncalled for.
RP88, that's not true at all.
Passed the senate 94 to 4, with one non-vote.
The no's were 1 R, 1 D, and 2 I's.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h103-3355
Passed the house with a voice vote - so there is no record of who voted how.
Passed the senate 94 to 4, with one non-vote.
The no's were 1 R, 1 D, and 2 I's.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h103-3355
Passed the house with a voice vote - so there is no record of who voted how.
NCsmitty
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Sinixstar, I hear what you're saying, but the number of pro-gun Democrats are few and far between. The days of Zell Miller style Dems are past, unfortunately. Now we are flooded with Clintonian liberals, who do not have the gun owner's best interest at heart. It's mostly a result of the dumbing down of America that's occurred over the last 15 years. Too many people, legal and illegal, holding out their hands for a piece of the pie that's been promised. You know what I say is true, and regardless of your assumptions that the incoming administration will not bother gun owners, I've lived 63 years and I know better. It is on BHO's to-do list, and for me, he is not to be trusted.
NCsmitty
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NC - actually - what you say is NOT true.
There are a LOT more of us out there than you think. Now I know, I know - if there's so many of us - hows come you never see 'em?
Well, why should we reach out? Every time we do, we get beat over the head because of the D in front of our name. In the last day on this site, i've been called ignorant, liar, stupid, moron, on and on and on, all because I admitted i'm a Democrat. Right now there's a little over 2000 people on this site. about 300 reg users, and about 1700 "guests". If any of those 1700 are in fact Democrats, after reading some of the stuff on here - what reason on this earth would they have to subject themselves to that?
You know how we won the congress back in 2006? In no small part to the fact that we ran pro-gun Democrats. What makes you think all of the sudden those same pro-gun Democrats are now going to flip to the other side? Even if they did - guess what, they get booted out of office, and we lose the majority we built. The republican majority comes in,and undoes all that work. What good does that do?
People talk about "it's still in the party platform". Yea - on just about the last page. It used to be one of the main highlights of the platform. You know why it's not like that anymore? Because of all of us non-existent pro-gun Democrats have been pushing for it from within the party.
It's so important to the republicans - yet the whole issue gets half a sentence in an intro paragraph on page 47 of the GOP Platform.
I hate to beat the dead horse - but we need to break ourselves of this Democrat/republican mindset on this issue. There may not be anything else we agree on - and that's fine, but don't stick us all in the same pigeon hole on this.
There are a LOT more of us out there than you think. Now I know, I know - if there's so many of us - hows come you never see 'em?
Well, why should we reach out? Every time we do, we get beat over the head because of the D in front of our name. In the last day on this site, i've been called ignorant, liar, stupid, moron, on and on and on, all because I admitted i'm a Democrat. Right now there's a little over 2000 people on this site. about 300 reg users, and about 1700 "guests". If any of those 1700 are in fact Democrats, after reading some of the stuff on here - what reason on this earth would they have to subject themselves to that?
You know how we won the congress back in 2006? In no small part to the fact that we ran pro-gun Democrats. What makes you think all of the sudden those same pro-gun Democrats are now going to flip to the other side? Even if they did - guess what, they get booted out of office, and we lose the majority we built. The republican majority comes in,and undoes all that work. What good does that do?
People talk about "it's still in the party platform". Yea - on just about the last page. It used to be one of the main highlights of the platform. You know why it's not like that anymore? Because of all of us non-existent pro-gun Democrats have been pushing for it from within the party.
It's so important to the republicans - yet the whole issue gets half a sentence in an intro paragraph on page 47 of the GOP Platform.
I hate to beat the dead horse - but we need to break ourselves of this Democrat/republican mindset on this issue. There may not be anything else we agree on - and that's fine, but don't stick us all in the same pigeon hole on this.
Mr Kablammo
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Don't forget, or learn now; the NRA ILA also features multi-gun raffles each year. The selection is usually pretty good even if the chance to win is not that great.
http://www.nra-ila.org/
http://www.nra-ila.org/
Prince Yamato
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You know, a good part of me wants to believe the Democrats who say, "it's not one of the top priorities". Until when though? One mass shooting and they'll shuttle a freakin' bill right through congress onto BO's desk and woop-dee-doo, no more AWs for anyone. That's because the Democrats rule by emotion. And right after a high-profile shooting, emotions run high. Politicians want to look like they are "doing something". The fact is, the only "buffer" between the AWB and whatever else is the "gun-show loophole" and that crap is probably going to get closed pretty quickly, which leaves them with "little to do" except for reinstate another AWB.
If these Democrats are really such great friends of gun owners, how about cutting us some slack, like repealing 922(r) or 922(o)?
If these Democrats are really such great friends of gun owners, how about cutting us some slack, like repealing 922(r) or 922(o)?
Double Naught Spy
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No, I started a realistic trend on the thead. If you think the war has just begun, then you needed a shot of realism (and the thread) to get back on track. Where have you been?
Why not just state the obvious. With a liberal dominated congress, the NRA needs a LOT MORE MONEY to pay for lobbying efforts which need to be stepped up 10 fold in order to stay on the ball as it costs a lot more to lobby the opposition than it does to lobby ones allies. The NRA needs a lot more money to publicly campaign for our rights to the people of the US because their lobbying efforts alone aren't going to work and given the liberal control of congress, it is that much more important to get the American population involved now than has been involved by the NRA previously.
This whole business about the Brady letter and self congratulations on how well we know our enemy because some of us get their emails is nothing but silliness and silliness that isn't productive to the fight.
Kind of Blued
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I'm ashamed to be of the same genus and species as these things that e-mailed you. 
Nevertheless, I like your style!
Infiltrate. Gain reconaissance. Report back. Flank 'em!
That makes me think, who would win in a Civil War II?
Nevertheless, I like your style!
Infiltrate. Gain reconaissance. Report back. Flank 'em!
That makes me think, who would win in a Civil War II?
MT GUNNY
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