"There is a concern that these firearms may get into guns shows and into the hands of the wrong..."

[RPZ]

It is all about their incremental agenda to disarm everyone except public servants and military. It is part of a U.N. agenda that goes back to it's inception.

I watched these incremental steps in the U.K. for decades from 1969 into the mid 1990s. I lived there twice, have had licenses there, watched the m.o., and in the end - now, it is extremely difficult to own anything legally there except for some specified and very restricted purposes. But firearms are still readily available on the black market, and they will never go away.

"Gun control" is a complete myth. It is all about disarming the population at large. We do not need any new "gun controls", and the goal should be to eliminate the ones in place. Not being on the defensive every time one of these elitist mouthpieces comes along and proposes more.

 

[.308 Norma]

All guns sold in gun shows in the state of Washington require background checks.

Does that include private sales between individuals that just happen to be at a gun show at the same time, Old Dog? Just curious.

 

[Kevin Rohrer]

I have a revelation for the clueless, Seattle gov'mint employee: Most guns used in crimes are stolen, not bought at gun shows and then used in crimes.

 

[CoalTrain49]

Watching MSM will get you in trouble.

 

[BullSlinger]

Does that include private sales between individuals that just happen to be at a gun show at the same time, Old Dog? Just curious.

My understanding is all sales go thru a background check. All transfers of any sort go thru background check even lending a gun to a friend. Someone correct me if I have this wrong.

 

[.308 Norma]

My understanding is all sales go thru a background check. All transfers of any sort go thru background check even lending a gun to a friend. Someone correct me if I have this wrong.

Thanks. I'm sorry to hear that, but thanks for answering my question.

 

[Carl N. Brown]

Where do they get this idea that gunshows are a big source for criminals anyway?

DOJ BJS FUO
Department of Justice
Bureau of Justice Statistics
Firearms Use by Offenders
(Sample: nationwide sample of prison inmates who possessed a firearm during the offense for which they were imprisoned)
2004 Source of firearms possessed by state prison inmates at time of offense

11.3% Retail Purchase or trade
7.3 - Retail store
2.6 - Pawnshop
0.6 - Flea market
0.8 - Gun show

37.4% Family or friend
12.2 - Purchased or traded
14.1 - Rented or borrowed
11.1 - Other

40.0% Street/illegal source
7.5 - Theft or burglary
25.2 - Drug dealer/off street
7.4 - Fence/black market

11.2% Other source

It should be obvious that stolen guns are more likely to be supplied to a criminal by the 88% "Family or friend" or "Street/illegal source" or "Other source" than by the 0.8% Guns show sales. What are the requirements for "government official from Seattle"?

And like Wright & Rossi pointed out in "Armed and Considered Dangerous" the family and friends of criminals who supply arms to them are often criminals themselves.

 

[slumlord44]

Illinois has required background checks for all guns sold at gun shows and all private non gun show sales for years. Hasn't slowed the shootings in Chicago and E. St. Louis at all.

 

[Archie]

I was just joking, man. Just clowning around. Didn't mean to imply anything at all. I humbly apologize if you regret anything about your post, because I liked everything you said. I don't know how to make an "embarrassed" smiley, or I would.

Sorry if I mislead you. I know artifacts do not possess 'spirits' and such, but I do waver in firmness of thought sometimes about computers. And hacksaws.

 

[Archie]

What are the requirements for "government official from Seattle"?

Be a liberal, be rather simple minded and faithfully follow the party line. I think I repeated myself there somewhere.

 

[Sunray]

"...gun store break-ins..." Implies stolen firearms that are going directly into the handoff the "wrong people." Criminals do not attend gun shows. Unelected civil servants never cease to amaze.

 

[Sistema1927]

Idiots will say stupid things.

The guns are already in the "wrong" hands since they have been stolen.

 

[22250Rem]

Last time I acquired a firearm I got it through the "NICS Loophole".

 

[stchman]

Watching Foxnews and they did a short spot on how many gun store break-ins there are. Some female government official from Seattle said, ""There is a concern that these firearms may get into guns shows and into the hands of the wrong people."


I was like....what? Aren't they already in the wrong hands if someone stole them. Secondly, if they are sold at a gun show they will have to pass a background check rather than be sold out of the back of an '02 Buick LeSabre in an alley somewhere. Obviously they think the black market and gun shows are one and the same.


This is your tax dollars at work in government.

In many states face to face transactions with no background check are legal for residents.

As far as the "wrong hands", I guess the liberals up in Washington don't consider thieves that break into gun shops wrong?

 

[P5 Guy]

"WRONG HANDS"
That would be all of us according The Demanding Moms of Everytown for Gun Safety, Bloomberg's astro-turf gun confiscation advocates.

 

[Hanzo581]

To someone's quote earlier, I wish 1/3 of all sales at all gun shows were private sales, might get better deals. As is the ones I go to are 99% vendor tables, with maybe a few old timers peddling their surplus rifles from their personal collections.

 

[stchman]

To someone's quote earlier, I wish 1/3 of all sales at all gun shows were private sales, might get better deals. As is the ones I go to are 99% vendor tables, with maybe a few old timers peddling their surplus rifles from their personal collections.

When I do go to gun shows, I pay very little to no attention to what the vendors are selling as I know they are at least $150 more than I can get it somewhere else. I ask people walking around what they have and is it for sale.

 

[Carl N. Brown]

Wright, Rossi & Day, "Under The Gun" (Aldine 1983), expanded from their 1977-1981 Carter Admin study on guns and violence in America, pointed out that most stolen guns are disposed of like stolen TVs, jewelry, other valuables and are likely to be sold for cash and end up in the hands of non-criminal owners.

The Bureau of Justice Statistics surveys on Firearms Use by Offenders show less than 1% of criminals imprisoned for using or carrying a gun in their last offense bought guns through gun shows. Less than 1% through flea markets too.

400,000 gun crimes reported by FBI. 300,000,000 guns in circulation. Assuming each crime represented one gun, that's 1 crime for each 750 guns (worse case scenario: even though ATF NIBIN crime scene ballistics point out strings of gun crimes committed by a criminal or gang using the same weapon multiple times in a year),

While stolen guns are likely used in crime, claiming that stolen guns will go to gun shows to be sold to criminals is ignorance.

See my previous post of Bureau of Justice Statistics: Firearms Use by Offenders

Stolen guns are likely to be sold like other stolen goods, with a significant percentage going to criminal hands. But not likely through gun shows. More likely through family or friend of criminal (who are often criminals themselves), sale by thief or burglar, drug dealer, street dealer, fence, black market, and that ever-growing "other source".

 

[Carl N. Brown]

"There is a concern that these firearms may get into gun shows and into the hands of the wrong people."

This still disturbed me: than an authority figure can be this clueless.

Stolen firearms are more likely to get into the hands of the wrong people by being stolen by bad people who use them, or sell them to fences, drug dealers, street dealers and other sources for criminals.

The odds are if a thief sells a gun at a gun show, the buyer is less likely to be a criminal than if the thief sells the gun at other venues.

 

[RPZ]

"There is a concern that these firearms may get into gun shows and into the hands of the wrong people."

This still disturbed me: than an authority figure can be this clueless.

Stolen firearms are more likely to get into the hands of the wrong people by being stolen by bad people who use them, or sell them to fences, drug dealers, street dealers and other sources for criminals.

The odds are if a thief sells a gun at a gun show, the buyer is less likely to be a criminal than if the thief sells the gun at other venues.

Most of them are not clueless. They are political change agents. They know exactly what they are doing.