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Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by SharpDog, Aug 15, 2019.

  1. SharpDog

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    Sample letter against gun control (plagiarized, not mine):

    Letters to my Senators and Congressman on Gun Control

    Senators Udall and Bennet,

    As you know, this week Senator Feinstein released her gun control proposal (http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/assault-weapons). While I am confident that this particular bill is headed for certain failure, I wanted to ask you to be mindful of your constituents' 2nd Amendment rights in the weeks and months ahead.

    With the horrible tragedy at Sandy Hook, many are taking the opportunity to blame inanimate objects for the crimes committed by a sociopath. There are a lot of emotional arguments for gun control, but the FACTS support allowing private citizens the means to defend themselves and those around them. FBI statistics show that murder is at its lowest rate since 1961 despite (or rather because of) an unprecedented number of guns in the hands of private citizens.

    You know that Colorado is a Western state, and we celebrate our right to own and carry arms, even in heavily Democrat areas of the state. Any support for the kinds of gun control measures described in Senator Feinstein's proposal (in whatever form they ultimately make it to the Senate floor) will be remembered by the voters here in Colorado.

    To be specific, any form of gun registration, any limitations on the way a weapon looks or how many rounds it can carry are unacceptable. Any restrictions on handguns or semi-automatic firearms are also unacceptable.

    The 1994 so-called "assault weapon" ban did nothing to reduce violent crime. An almost identical law currently in effect in Connecticut did nothing to stop the Sandy Hook tragedy. Enforce current gun laws and expand gun rights for law-abiding citizens and our country will be a safer place (and indeed it statistically already is). Allow our rights to be curtailed, and beware the political fallout.

    Respectfully,

    Jeff A. Odegard
    Colorado Springs

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    Congressman Lamborn,

    Thank you for your continued support of the 2nd Amendment, which limits the ability of the Federal government to infringe upon our God-given right to own and carry arms. As you know, Senator Feinstein has released her proposal (http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/assault-weapons)for implementing draconian gun control measures in the country. While I am certain that this bill will never make it to the Senate floor, it shows us the Left's wish list for gutting and eventually eliminating our rights. The same path has been followed in nation after nation, from Nazi Germany to Great Britain.

    I want to let you know that, as a conservative, there are some non-negotiable items when it comes to our firearms.
    1. Gun registration in any form is completely and utterly unacceptable. It is the first step before confiscation, which some on the left, like Governor Cuomo and others are beginning to publicly espouse.
    2. A ban on handguns (like Canada) is completely unacceptable. The handgun is the best concealable tool for self defense away from home, and entirely sufficient for defense in the home.
    3. A ban on so-called "assault weapons" is completely unacceptable. Without a Class 3 Firearms License, it is illegal to own a fully automatic weapon. The weapons they are trying to ban are, aside from "evil" black looks, functionally identical to the M-1 Garands used in WWII. Many of the listed features, like flash suppressors and barrel shrouds, are safety devices, and others, like collapsible stocks and pistol grips, make the weapon easier and therefore safer to handle.
    4. A ban on high-capacity magazines is not only unacceptable, but complete nonsense. If a person can't have a 30 round magazine, he will carry three 10 round magazines and learn to do magazine changes faster. If the magazines are designed to be non-removable (like in California), we will go back to WWII stripper clips for fast loading. Take it far enough, and we'll be like the mountain men in the early 1800s - we'll just have to carry more guns!
    5. A ban on specific firearms produced by specific manufacturers is unacceptable and creates an uneven playing field in a highly competitive portion of the economy. It punishes innovation and sound business practices, and will cost people jobs.
    The 2011 murder statistics are out, and they show that homicides are at their lowest point since 1961, and lower than almost any year in the last century with the exception of part of the 1950's. We have more guns in the hands of private citizens than ever before, including handguns, high capacity magazines and the "evil" looking, so-called "assault weapons" (or "modern sporting rifles" as they are affectionately called by the NRA).

    Please support legislation that supports the enforcement of current gun laws and the expansion of 2nd Amendment liberties by law-abiding citizens. Please fight the Left's gun control agenda with everything you have, and we will have your back.

    Sincerely,

    Jeff A. Odegard
    Colorado Springs

    https://odegardonline.blogspot.com/2012/12/letters-to-my-senators-and-congressman.html
     
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    The "Overton Window" (the limit on mainstream debate) on guns is shifting fast. Here we are worried about background checks and red flag laws, while the antis are going directly for existential things like "assault weapon" bans with no grandfathering and mandatory turn-ins. This is setting up for Apocalypse in 2021. I've never been so worried in my entire life.
     
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  3. DoubleMag

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    If everyone on THR alone committed the same amount as one (1) steak dinner, there would be sufficient funds to fight this stuff

    Like it or not, the Dr. charges at $200, 300, 600 / hour depending on specialty.
    "" "" '' " , the mechanic charges...
    Lawyers, like it or not, aren't free either

    SHUCKS SUM PPL want everything free or reduced price, until it's time for THEM to charge THEIR wage.

    EVEN BETTER....if every THR member did an extraordinary feat of heavy lifting, lifting that ol' phone up, and called their Rep state and federal, OMG this would all B over

    If you are a friend of the constitution // 2A, you MUST do something more then just typing here, or, talking to a friend about it all.

    https://www.thetribunepapers.com/20...ur-lives-our-fortunes-and-our-sacred-honor-2/

    I have just described the way to win, or the way to lose. Which ever way you decide will bring an expected outcome.
     
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  4. SharpDog

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    Just watched Lindsay Graham

    Pushing grants for RFLs to states and UBCs

    Definitely against an AWB though.

    Later in the same show Joe Manchin came on and specifically said that he supported a UBC on COMMERCIAL gun sales.
     
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  5. Texas10mm

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    Umm...isn't that the law now?
     
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  7. badkarmamib

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    Our only legal avenues for preventing this, is supporting pro-2A groups in their lobbying and suing to overturn anti-2A laws, and voting in pro-2A representatives. Some candidates might have questionable points of view on some subjects, but the 2A is the only thing protecting our 1A to voice our opposition to those views. Voting against our 2A, or abstaining, is what is killing our freedom. Trump might not be the ideal candidate, but if he loses 2020, we have seen what his opponents have in mind.
     
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  8. Texas10mm

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    He wants Universal background checks.

    A commercial transaction to me means buying from a dealer. A reputable dealer will follow the law. I've bought guns over the internet, I had to fill out a 4473, I've bought them at a gun show, I had to fill out a 4473.

    But if I'm buying from my buddy I don't want or need a background check.
     
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  9. Basura Blanca

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    If I had to guess, I would say the majority of private sales are between known individuals. There is no problem with that. What makes this such an issue for us, seems to be lack of reliable data. The figures on overall private sales as a percentage of all gun transactions run the gamut - from doubtfully high to unbelievably ridiculous. The most reliable study says maybe in the low 20 percent range. So really, the question is just a matter of how many of those sales are between complete strangers? Not that I think it would convince the hardcore anti crowd, but having a better overall picture to counter their demand for background checks would be helpful to more neutral parties.
     
  10. WestTexShooter

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    I believe most Americans don’t. Polls are for political wonks to make money from. They are the inside the beltway / look at me / I want my name in the newspaper/ Hollywood celebs love me kind of self absorbed elitist jerks. Their poles (left or right) are just to make money.
     
  11. ATLDave

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    The big problem is not whether a majority of one party supports the civil rights of gun ownership, but whether the majority of both parties do.

    Political winds blow. There will be a time - maybe very soon, maybe not quite so soon - when all branches of government are in the hands of the other party. It may only be for a two year period (that tends to happen), but the gun rights advocates have committed gross political malpractice by concentrating all their efforts and, therefore, support into one party. When that happens, the political malpractice of certain current and prior gun rights advocates have just about guaranteed that the measures adopted will be draconian, poorly-thought-out, and nonsensical. And there will be nobody in the room talking any sense.
     
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  12. AlexanderA
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    That depends on what part of the country you are in. Where I am, candidates are touting their anti-2A bona fides as a selling point. Even Republicans are doing so. For example, Del. Tim Hugo (R-Fairfax), chairman of the Va. House GOP caucus, has come out in favor of a "red flag" law, in order to blunt the appeal of his rabid antigun opponent, Democrat Dan Helmer. Note that Hugo was elected by just 106 votes last time. His seat is in serious jeopardy, and the Democrats only need a net gain of one seat in each House in order to control the legislature. The election is this November. If the near-inevitable happens, prepare for a whole raft of antigun laws, including a draconian AWB with no grandfathering.
     
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