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Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Archangel14, Feb 14, 2013.

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  1. Archangel14

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    I've figured out that many anti-gunners are just scared of people that have guns. I understand that many are just power hungry freaks (such as many of the higher level politicians calling for repressive gun control). But many of your everyday people are simply scared. And there's a reason for it....

    We've become such a soft society. People no longer kill their own meat, few raise their own crops. The daily reality for everyday Americans is a life of ease. Sure, you have to work, but do you have to break your ass on the farm to make the simple bills? Look around, see all the fat bodies walking out of the many fast food restaurants. Few of our citizens have had to face the in-your-face rigors of war. Many of us know only soft living, far too many.

    And that leads to weak minds, weak fortitude. They fear the strong, self-reliant man or woman with a gun. For the most part, my gun owning pals are hard working people who understand life's realities. Many anti-gunner are scared of such armed people. They're projecting. They're scared. And you know what that tells me? We've already won. We're the Alpha dogs; they're the whiny little yappers. Keep your heads up, make yourselves heard and keep moving forward. In the end, we can only come out ahead.
     
  2. USAF_Vet

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    Hoo rah!

    But... we haven't already one. Even cowards can have an influence. Cowards will talk to their reps and have them fight the battles. Cowards vote. Cowards are easily swayed by emotional rhetoric and deleted like Piers Morgan. Cowards use the internet to spread their fear and fear is contagious.

    We might be the alpha dogs, but every alpha dog is surrounded. Every alpha dog has to constantly fight to maintain his status. And so we must also fight.
     
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  3. Jorg Nysgerrig

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    I think you're pretty much dead wrong.

    A good number of us here on THR live a life of ease and would be pretty "soft" in your eyes.

    Your diatribe is little more than typical internet chest-thumping. Alpha dogs? Give me a freakin' break. :rolleyes:
     
  4. allaroundhunter

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    I was dove hunting on our family farm when a "neighbor" who lives roughly 850 yards away called the police about my father and I "firing in the air randomly, like terrorists"... I kid you not.

    County LE arrived, and after talking with us and making sure everything was safe and in order, she went to the complainants residence. When the homeowner opened the door for the officer, she said he went pale white. The first thing out of his mouth was asking her to remove her sidearm and leave it in her patrol car because it scared him....

    Some people are just scared. I would more blame how they get their education. More people now learn everything that they "know" about guns from the media as opposed to being taught by their fathers and grandfathers about how to live off the land. With the media so often reporting that "xxx went off by itself" and "citizens own assault rifles", the connotation of firearms can be scary for those who have no other experience and actual knowledge with them.
     
  5. Shadow 7D

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    most are apathetic and 'have no use' for guns, and TV says they are dangerous

    these are the same people who have banned Peanut butter sandwiches....

    What you need to be scared of is that they are useful idiots to those who wish to secure their power.
     
  6. mcdonl

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    Haha. That's funny. Makes me laugh thinking of him going by my house during beavah season skinning and fleshing in my driveway.




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  7. jamesbeat

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    You can tell by the way that they say 'well, I don't understand why anyone would need one of those' that they are not only hoplophobes, but also have fear and distain for people who aren't like them.

    The modern day racist, homophobe etc. Nothing but simple bigotry.
     
  8. VTmtn.man

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    The problem as I see it, is that we are nearing a tipping point. Whichever camp casts the mosts ballots gets it their way. The anti's have grown in number as you so aptly recounted.

    My state of VT is, in a sene, a microcosm of the country. Staunch hunting firearm state all along, now we have larger metro areas filling up with people moving in bringing their 'more refined' sensibilities with them. VT is now on the verge of passing legislation that flies in the face of the 2nd Amend. The changing ideology of the populace has been allowed, in all branches of govenment, to erode the tenets of this Nation, that made it great. Our Constitution and BOR are not as immutable as our founding fathers designed them to be.
     
  9. Hokkmike

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    I often wonder if I lived in the city near a rough neighborhood where the only association I had with firearms was personal, second hand, or nightly news knowledge about another person killed by one how I would feel about them.

    As it is I am a country mouse and even the junior high girls here own and use firearms. In this case familiarity does not breed contempt but reduces hysterical fear to the level that causes an appropriate healthy respect and keeps people safe.

    If more people engaged in shooting there would be a lot less irrational fear of guns motivating the antis.

    We should institute a "Take a liberal to the range day" . And all of you gunner out there had better make sure you give your offspring the chance to like the shooting sports/art because the sentiment of today's youth will formulate tomorrow's laws.
     
  10. sleepyone

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    I agree with you 100% archangel that our society has grown fat and soft, but I also agree with Jorg that many of us who may think we are hard and lean like our grandparents back in the day really have no idea what is was like to live back then and would be hard-pressed to adapt if we were thrown back into time where if you don't grow or kill your own food you starve, if you don't find and cut your own firewood you freeze, if you don't dig your own well and then dig it out when it collapses you die of dehydration, if you don't harvest enough hay to make it through the winter your animals die and if you don't know how to treat illness and injuries you bleed to death or die of infection. I could go on, but you get my point. I know I am a wuss compared to my grandparents, great-grandparents and their parents. Does that mean I could not learn to do those things? No, but I'm grateful I don't have to either.
     
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    AAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Sounds like he might have been watching ME dove hunt. I frequently shoot into the air in what might be mistaken for "randomness" as nothing ever falls.:D

    Heck...even the dog wonders what I'm doing at times.
     
  12. 2ifbyC

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    Do some people have a fear of heights? Yes

    Do some people have a fear of spiders? Yes

    The list goes on.

    The correlation you make is that people who fear guns or are fearful of people that own guns is because they are SOFT. The statements to back up your hypothesis are pure conjecture at best.

    While I agree that many Americans have become SOFT, it is not due to their fear of gun toting people.
     
  13. barnbwt

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    It's not just guns, first off. Most people haven't lived as many (or any) of the experiences of us gun-nuts, and that ignorance breeds fear of the unknown. It's childish, and a product of people too lazy to go out and do things to learn themselves.

    Second, does anyone else feel like watching Fight Club after all that posturing?

    Dear GOD! How horrible! If only we lived a life where the weak were discarded, and all were tainted by war and hardship :rolleyes:. Sounds like something a Bolshevik would say, or perhaps a Taliban ;)

    TCB
     
  14. Impureclient

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    When you fire into the air randomly, the terrorists have won.
     
  15. Manco

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    While I agree with your criticisms, I think there is some truth in what Archangel14 said, as well. The people of this country aren't as self-reliant in some ways as they once were, and have come to rely on and trust government as never before (not in a managerial sense but in terms of tyranny). That's how they've been conditioned to be over a long period of time, and I think that many of them are kind of intimidated (or at least weirded out) by those who are prepared to take care of emergencies by themselves. Because we don't rely entirely on the government for everything, including personal defense, we're different, which triggers their xenophobia, and on some subconscious level we may be viewed as challengers to government authority and therefore outlaws to be feared.

    The latter, of course, has a basis in reality in accordance with the founding of this country and the true intent of the Second Amendment, and quite frankly guns both represent and manifest real power. At present many of the people of this country are afraid of such power, and want the government to have all of it to wield on their behalf (supposedly), which is the problem because ultimately only the people themselves can protect their own rights. There can be no land of the free if it's not the home of the brave, and most Americans these days would gladly sacrifice their freedom and their power over government in order to "feel safe." :rolleyes:
     
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    It's kind of hard to tell what the motivation is of the anti-gun rights people behind the forest of taking points they regurgitate in lockstep.

    It seems that they are attached to their comforts (who wouldn't be right?) and they confuse some of the ugly truths of reality with threats to their comforts caused by scary things like people with guns--cause we are all the same don'tcha' know--People with guns are the thing to be feared not criminals; because anyone with a gun can flip out and become a criminal at the merest provocation. So they tell me.

    They also seem to presume that the current status of comfort and perceived security should not only be guaranteed to continue (because that is what progress does) but is an entitlement for all the nice people for all time. They want to be taken care of and not have to do any of the dirty work themselves.

    Additionally, too many of our citizens are either childishly naive and willing to be spoon fed by political pandering--told what to think, told what to want, told what is good--and/or are too intellectually lazy to get some facts and do their own thinking.
     
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    Sure some of them are afraid, but that's mostly because the media sensationalizes "gun violence", never mentions that the homicide rate has dropped like a rock since 1991, and people haven't swung by the CDC's site and seen the #s on drunk driving fatalites. Myself, for example, not being involved in a gang, the drug trade, or having an affair am far, far more likely to be killed or maimed by a drunk driver than a gunman.

    Most people also don't have much exposure to guns outside of the news & Hollywood and have no idea what the current gun laws are.
     
  18. AlexanderA

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    Sorry, I can't relate to the original post. I'm with Jorg on this.

    We don't serve the cause of gun rights by dividing the world into the superior "Alpha" "us" and the inferior, frightened "them." This is the worst form of stereotyping and bigotry.
     
  19. Manco

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    Well, it seems that violence--including murder--is somehow more acceptable when it is not committed using guns. That's the propaganda the mainstream media is bombarding the public with, on behalf of the government. Firearms are being singled out as the one thing we should not have the right to keep and bear, just because some criminals have committed crimes with them--they are the only tools that receive any blame for crimes.

    People seem to think that the right to drink and the right to drive are fundamental, while the right to keep and bear arms is not. Obviously that is rather ironic.

    That's right, they accept all of the falsehoods these media give them as truth (e.g. guns kill so guns are evil), and then demand more anti-gun laws despite the fact that such laws have zero effect on criminals, aside from making them (not the public) safer. They know nothing and don't care to learn on their own before infringing on a fundamental right--they feel that something must be done and trust the anti-gun politicians to protect them from evil NRA members who love guns and therefore want to murder children. :rolleyes:

    Perhaps, yet there is an "us" and a "them," however we wish to characterize it. Our goal should be to understand "them" and in true grassroots fashion try to convert as many of "them" into "us" as we can by making "them" understand "us"--that means teaching and learning, just as we have already been doing. Demonizing the other is done by both parties, and it sure would be helpful to find ways to overcome this barrier.
     
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  20. joeschmoe

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    They should be.
     
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    Near Hernando MS, in a mostly rural area south of Memphis some ex-urban/suburban types heard people practicing with a rifle. They made a phone call........

    The Sheriff's Dept. dispatched both a SWAT Team and helicopter to the area, until they discovered the panicked, ignorant people who apparently had no idea about rural lifestyles.

    My wife has a friend from Syracuse NY who was trained as a concert pianist, performing here in the casual Renaissance club.
    Her reminder to me after she heard about my hobby: "Don't shoot anybody", with a smile on her face.
     
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    Yeah, don't tell my wife I am an alpha dog. That would be a good way to really end up in the doghouse and by the way, don't forget to take out the trash on the way out the door.
     
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    One theory I've seen is that seeing others who are prepared reminds them of danger and the fact that they themselves are not prepared.


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  25. readyeddy

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    People who are unfamiliar with guns are often afraid of guns. I know this because I was once a person that did not own guns and I was afraid of guns until I became familiar. That's why it's important to take out newbies to the range to break the ice.

    The stuff about alpha dogs and weak minded people is garbage. I know people who don't own guns who are tough as nails.
     
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