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Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by memphisjim, Jul 10, 2009.

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  1. memphisjim

    memphisjim Member

    Jul 15, 2008
    ok i made it to a range that serviced more than just pistols for the first time in a couple years

    i tried out two things that i bought new that according to online review were supposed to be horrid

    first was 5 eagle brand 30rnd mags for a ruger 10/22
    the christmas before last i bought 5 of the see through orange ones for 8 bucks a piece
    online review had me expecting failure
    all 5 of them performed flawlessly

    second ive had a saiga 12 for several months nib but hadnt fired it
    again after reading online reviews i expected it to have hiccups until i fired a few hundred shells through it
    i used 2 of the 12/(13) round magazines and it fired a mixture or buck and slug 2 3/4 and 3inch shells flawlessly
    i shot about 50 of these
    then turned the gas plug to 2 and loaded up with federal multi-purpose shot
    (less than 25 bucks for 100shells at wal-mart)
    the gun shot 50 of these flawlessly
    my shoulder said call it a day (the stock butt on a saiga leaves a lil to be desired)
    i didnt even do an initial clean literally from the box to firing

    this experience startled me i was expecting malfuntions from both products due to internet reviews
  2. TooTaxed

    TooTaxed Member

    Dec 31, 2002
    Columbus, Georgia
    On the mags you tested, now that you are sure they all function well, put all but one "on the shelf" and just shoot with one to provide a durability test...see how long it lasts until you have a malfunction.

    On the Saiga, continue to shoot it with a variety of ammo and maintain it carefully...some individual guns may not "like" a particular type of ammo. If you ever experience a problem, carefully check to determine what caused it.

    Some individual guns do require a break in period and will function just fine from then on.
  3. Guy de Loimbard

    Guy de Loimbard Member

    Oct 2, 2005
    My dad has Eagle 30rd. mags for his 10/22. We've never had a problem with those.

    A friend of mine has Ram-line mags for his. Don't get me started complaining about those, I'd never stop.
  4. B yond

    B yond Member

    Sep 6, 2006
    I've seen the eagle mags jam up in a 10/22. It was obviously caused by their terribly dirty condition. Those particular mags worked just fine until they got really, really, really, really, really (see where I'm going with this?), really, really dirty.


    Jul 3, 2009
    FYI, sticking 12rd mags in a new in box, unaltered Saiga firearm is a violation of Federal Law 922r punishable by prison time.

    US Code 18 Section 922 "Unlawfull Acts", paragraph (r) affects the building of an imported assault weapon....
    "(r) It shall be unlawful for any person to assemble from imported
    parts any semiautomatic rifle or any shotgun which is identical to
    any rifle or shotgun prohibited from importation under section
    925(d)(3) of this chapter"

    925(d)(3) states

    "is of a type that does not fall within the definition of a
    firearm as defined in section 5845(a) of the Internal Revenue
    Code of 1986 and is generally recognized as particularly suitable
    for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes, excluding surplus
    military firearms, except in any case where the Attorney General
    has not authorized the importation of the firearm pursuant to
    this paragraph, it shall be unlawful to import any frame,
    receiver, or barrel of such firearm which would be prohibited if
    assembled; or"

    Now we get to the definition of the assault weapon and the 20 forbidden parts. The way it works is if the weapon is composed of 10 or less of these parts that are foreign made then the weapon in question is not foreign made. In other words if you have 11 or more of these on the weapon it is foreign made and you have broken the law. The following is referred to as the 1989 Import Ban.
    18 USC Chapter 44 as amended by Public Law 101-647 (enacted 11-29-90) and 27 CFR part 178 as amended 06-25-93.
    § 178.39 Assembly of semiautomatic rifles or shotguns.
    (a) No person shall assemble a semiautomatic rifle or any shotgun using more than 10 of the imported parts listed in paragraph (c) of this section if the assembled firearm is prohibited from importation under section 925(d)(3) as not being particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes.

    925(d)(3) includes FN FAL (L1A1) style semiautomatic rifle with folding stock, military style stock with separate pistol grip, threaded muzzle, flash hider, grenade launcher, bayonet lug, or night sights. Note: FN FAL (L1A1) style semiautomatic rifles having a thumbhole style stock without the above features were approved for importation from 1989 to 1994. In 1994 BATFE changed their interpretation to eliminate the exemption for firearms with thumbhole stocks.

    (c) For purposes of this section, the term "imported parts" are:"

    1. Frame-Receiver
    2. Barrel
    3. Barrel Extension
    4. Mounting Block/Trunnion
    5. Muzzle Attchment
    6. Bolt
    7. Bolt Carrier
    8. Operating Rod (charging handle)
    9. Gas Piston
    10. Trigger Housing
    11. Trigger
    12. Hammer
    13. Sear
    14. Disconnector
    15. Buttstock
    16. Pistol Grip
    17. Forearm/Handguard
    18. Magazine Body
    19. Magazine Follower
    20. Magazine Floor Plate
  6. fireman 9731

    fireman 9731 Member

    Nov 16, 2008
    I had a couple of Eagle 10/22 mags. I put about 500 rounds through each of them with only a few jams here and there... for 10 bucks I sure couldn't complain. I'll pick a steel lipped Butler Creek any day but I wasn't disappointed in the Eagle mags.
  7. memphisjim

    memphisjim Member

    Jul 15, 2008
    the dark knight you do not have a proper understanding of the law
    there is more to it than you posted
    a criteria of what is illegal since there is no pistol grip under the action in its sporter form it isnt illegal
  8. Dirtpile

    Dirtpile Member

    Dec 27, 2008
    I'll second that. Those Ram-Lines are a bigger waste of money than investing with Bernie Madoff.
  9. NC-Mike

    NC-Mike Member

    Mar 11, 2007
    Well I once bought a mini-14 despite all the warning on the internets and you know what?

    I should have listened! It sucked big time! :cuss:
  10. Claude Clay

    Claude Clay Member

    Mar 6, 2007
    when choosing to believe statements made on the internet one needs to be selective

    and knowing which to select as true is--well, its a lot like voting for change
  11. bobotech

    bobotech Member

    Oct 15, 2007
    Spokane, WA
    No, he is right.

    A Saiga 12 is sucessfully imported because it slides under the sporting clause. Sporting=no pistol grip, and under 10 rounds. If you put a 12 round mag in the gun, it is now an illegally imported non-sporting gun since it has more than 10 imported parts on it even with the 3 US made parts of the 12 round mag. But if you "convert" the Saiga 12 properly with US parts such as the trigger group (3), pistol grip (1), gas plug (1), stock (1) , and mag parts (3), then it will have less than 10 imported parts and be considered a US made gun.

    So yes, sticking a 12 round or 20 round mag into an unmodified Saiga is illegal.
  12. ants

    ants Member

    Nov 24, 2007
    So, according to the Internet, our Memphisjim will have 10 billion angry federal agents chasing his butt down the street for prosecution.

    Run, Jim, Run!
  13. bobotech

    bobotech Member

    Oct 15, 2007
    Spokane, WA
    LOL You and I know fully well that doesn't happen however according to the letter of the law, what he is doing is not in compliance with what he should be doing.
  14. toivo

    toivo Member

    May 27, 2005
    New York State
    I know I shouldn't be expecting this law to make sense, but if I'm reading what I think I'm reading, it means that you could have a converted 922-compliant Saiga and have legal 12-round mags for it, and you could also have an unconverted Saiga and have 10-round mags for it, but if you put the wrong mag in the wrong gun, you're a felon.

    That really begs for a court challenge.
  15. KenWP

    KenWP member

    Feb 21, 2009
    What would you use a 12 round clip for anyways.
  16. DrLaw

    DrLaw Member

    Mar 24, 2007
    Wild Western Illinois
    What for?

    Fun. :D

    And anything that can come up. :scrutiny:

    The Doc is out now. :cool:
  17. Pack

    Pack Member

    Apr 10, 2009
    Elgin, SC
    Saiga in this context?

    I have two Saiga-12s, one of which I've had for several years and I've left in stock spec as opposed to converting to the properly-AK form.

    I'd never heard anything about them being anything less than great shotguns. I've never had the slightest hint of a problem with mine, despite some abuse - including the following.

    Shortly after getting the gun, I decided to test it out with many diferent ammunition types - a mix of 2 3/4" and 3" shells, and the standard, light-loaded, and magnum variety. As my cousin, a few freinds and myself were putting the gun through its paces, we had a small mishap.

    When switching from a standard buckshot load to a heavy one - a serious 3" max magnum loading in 000 buck marketed by Winchester for taking black bear - I forgot to rotate the gas system regulator back to the magnum position.

    We were rewarded with an extremely loud and odd-sounding BOOM, coupled with the magazine (stock 5 rounders at this time, some years ago) flying straight out the bottom of the gun to the ground.

    Years and many rounds later, the Saiga - and even the same magazine - continue to provide admirable service.
  18. Shadow 7D

    Shadow 7D Member

    Nov 30, 2008
    Frozen North
    Get a polychoke, or a choke converter and your covered as long as the mag isn't imported, or better yet, to MD mags and buy the four port gas plug and your covered. or convert it back to the original config and improve the trigger.
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