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Things Don't Look Good for Bush

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Roon, Oct 26, 2004.

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  1. Roon

    Roon Member

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    I've been watching this race as closely as anybody, and things are starting to break heavily for Kerry, as many pols thought might happen during the last week.

    For the first time in following the LA Times compilation of major polls, Kerry takes the electoral college.

    Starting to think the unthinkable... President Kerry.

    Maybe it's time to re-visit that Rock River carbine.
     
  2. Standing Wolf

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    Buy the carbine, but don't worry about the election: America isn't dumb enough to elect that Kerry creature.

    Bush by at least five points; Kerry and his assault lawyer minions to try to muck up the electoral process with law suits, anyway: that's my prediction.
     
  3. Roon

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    Wolf,

    How many beers is that? :D
     
  4. Sindawe

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    Wolf

    Never underestimate the power of human stupidity.
     
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    Normally i guess pretty good on the elections but this time even though i want bush to win i cant say which way it will go to close
     
  7. Daemon688

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    Polls fluctuate too much day to day. In 8 days, we will find out for sure who wins. Best thing that could happen is they both get the same number of electoral votes.
     
  8. Roon

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    That was last Friday...

    Today's Washington Post Tracking Poll is the first since it started to have Kerry break into 50%, ahead of Bush by 2 points.

    Polls change daily, but this is not a good trend, if you go look at the day-to-day graph.
     
  9. kbsrn

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    LA TImes and Washington Post

    are biased against Bush. Look at realclearpolitics.com They give a real good break down. Bush is ahead and he has been gaining since the debates. Everyday something new Kerry lie comes to light, he is done. Besides who would vote for a man with a wife like that?
     
  10. WilderBill

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    If you look at all the polls and average the diverse opinions, you find that Bush is somewhere between dead even and 5-6 points ahead.
    If you only look at any one poll, you get the opinion of the select group that the pollsters choose to ask.

    Fox will always show Bush ahead.
    AP will always show sKerry ahead.

    Depends on who you ask. :scrutiny:
     
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    When you find out, let me know..
    I use this site here for polls. It's pretty fair and easy to read. I need all the help
    I can get far as the second part. I'm hoping the Pres wins, but Dad
    always told me to hope for the best and expect the worse...That's paid off.
    Ck it out.>
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/index.html
     
  12. Roon

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    From realclearpolitics.com (RCP) :
    The editorial boards of the LA Times and Washington Post are for Kerry, but these polls are completely independent from that, and the compilations are similar to RCP.

    What a lot of these will come down to is GOTV - Get Out the Vote! Time to talk it up and take old shooters to the polls...
     
  13. IRONFIST

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    I have been going to the site below daily for an overall glance at the electoral college on a changing, day-to-day basis. The operator is admittedly pro-kerry, but he doesn't seem to skew poll results in any way. The electoral college count has been flipping around daily, yesterday Bush, today Kerry, and tomorrow back to Bush. I also like that you can track individual state polls, and battleground states as well. Here is the link...

    http://www.electoral-vote.com/
     
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    I'm not a wagering man. If I were, I'd empty out all my bank and investment accounts, mortgage my house, borrow everything I could get my hands on, and bet it on Bush, which is to say: on the good sense of the American people.

    Bush isn't much, but that Kerry creature is a shameless socialist parasite. We can tell.
     
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    I believe the latest Zogby polls have been showing Bush increasing the lead.

    brad cook
     
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    And when Bush loses in states like,ohhhh,Colorado,and then goes on to lose the election and join the ranks of "one term wonders"what will you say then Standing Wolf?
    From what I see here in Ks Bush has little support in the population centers and that is where the votes are.Between the Liberals and Libertarians and other disgrunteled voters I don't see HOW Bush can win.
    Old folks hate him,young folks hate him,union folks hate him....even 2nd Amendment supporters hate him.So WHO is going to vote for him?
    (And we all know who is'nt....eh S W)
    Back your bet with a vote sir.
     
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    I like the Current Electoral Vote Predictor 2004. It's pretty good at summarizing the latest polls as they affect the Electoral College, and that's what really matters.

    Current Prediction: Bush 285, Kerry 247, 270 needed to win.
     
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    I hate to throw cold water around here, but the Bush 285, Kerry 247 numbers are for current snapshot. The Predictive Final Result is: Kerry 271 Bush 217.

    This thing is WAY TOO CLOSE to relax.
     
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    91 times, Standing Wolf.

    I doubt you're wrong.
     
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    More and more lies and distortions are affecting polls, and that includes Congressional races. The Democratic message seems to take what are actually strengths and convert them into weaknesses using lies and distortions. The races seem to come down to a head count of the informed and savvy versus the ignorant and gullible. Clinton distorting the jobs issue is kind of the final blow. The Democrats are pandering to personal biases, never mind the real and appropriate role of government and what will really happen (or not) after the election. It's all very communist, if you ask me.
     
  22. kbsrn

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    Roon you are suffering

    from a serious case of wishful thinking. Historically republicans always poll 5 to 7 points below what they finally get in an elections. So the worst of the polls show Bush one or two points behind, which means he is probably 3 to 5 points ahead.
     
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    I know what *I'll* say: "Next time, come up with a less pathetic candidate!" I mean, these two are the best America has to offer? If that's really true, we're doomed.
     
  24. RealGun

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    Who but the wealthy or those with grandiose ambitions would invite that kind of scrutiny and abuse, along with the prospect of assassination and a lifelong relationship with the Secret Service for the entire family?

    These are politicians more than the best and brightest. How they pick advisers and listen to them is where the real brain power comes in. Which party and general philosophy they serve has a lot to do with it too. When you pick a President, you definitely also pick a party agenda.

    It is no different with Libertarians, for example. Badnarik is a token candidate. It is the party that is seeking office, and the votes will come no matter who exactly is the candidate.

    Campaigns try to make it about candidates, but usually it is about parties. You see that with so many voting straight ticket and ignoring the need to be informed about issues and candidate specific points.

    Kerry is an exception because he is so liberal...to extreme actually. It is disheartening seeing him get so much support in an election that should have been Democrats offering a throwaway candidate against an incumbent.
     
  25. Carlos Cabeza

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    The retired church lady group is predicting a Bush presidency till '08.
     
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