Think I'm turning in my autos

Discussion in 'Handguns: General Discussion' started by Bones741, Sep 3, 2018.

  1. stonebuster

    stonebuster Member

    Jun 8, 2016
    I've got a similar problem shooting semi autos vs revolvers. I started shooting hand guns about 2 1/2 years ago and shoot my two GP-100s and model 10s much better than either of my semi autos. I've been frustrated to the point of thinking about selling my semis too. I decided to keep my P226 Sig 9mm and get an instructor instead of wasting more ammo trying to diagnose myself. I'm going to concentrate on the revolvers which I enjoy shooting before I tackle the Sig again. Range trips are a lot more fun when you hit what you're aiming at. I'd keep a 1911 if I were you or you may end up on the "guns you have wished you didn't sell" threads. Thanks for posting.
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  2. JDR

    JDR Member

    Mar 11, 2013
    Boy, I haven’t seen that two-handed grip technique with a 1911 since my U.S.A.F. days way back when! Thanks for sharing that, but I’ll stick to the “updated” two-handed grip!
  3. thomas15

    thomas15 Member

    May 27, 2005
    I wanted to think about this before responding. I guess the first question I have for you is this: Does the NRA basic pistol course or the instructors themselves promise to teach advanced or even intermediate marksmanship skills? Of course the answer is no, the course is intended to teach beginners the absolute basics and safety.

    I have the certification in question, I took the time to get it for basically personal enrichment, much like my most recent college degree, a AS in Biology that I earned at age 60, well past the optimal age to make a career change. I had to take the NRA Basic Pistol Class, the one that I'm now certified to teach. The first words out of the instructors mouth was "we are here to learn basic pistol skills, not how to become a Master Class competitor. If that is your expectation then see me later and I will point you in the right direction".

    Second of all there isn't any way to become certified that I know of by watching a video.

    Since you admit that your skills are in need of improvement and you would "love" to find a qualified instructor to help you improve, may I ask what geographical location is it in the USA where there is literally no one qualified to help you reach your goals? It is very likely that an instructor that meets the qualifications; required to diagnose and remediate will charge considerably more than the basic pistol class charges and will probably take more than (1) 8 hour group session.

    I personally don't "teach" the basic class but will assist another instructor if asked. On occasion a student will inquire about further instruction. I think the answer to that inquiry depends on what exactly the student wants to achieve. Last year, as a "B" shooter in SCSA, which is an intermediate skills classification, I took a 5 hour class with 4 other competitors designed to put everyone at a baseline of skills and attitude and break down each component of the cof. Then in detail re-start from the ground and build a plan for advancement. When I got home I had notes and ideas but my actual skills were unchanged.

    Over the winter I used my notes to set up a practice routine and used the skills the instructor went over to set out to move up in classification. This I did but it took time and effort, a lot of time and a lot of effort. 3 other students in the class have not improved at all this year and in some cases shoot worse. Is this the fault of the instructor or the student? You cannot pay someone to give you skills but you can be presented the tools that will make you better but you need to do your part.

    A basic pistol instructor doesn't need to be an expert marksmen. True they should be experienced enough to diagnose beginner issues like proper grip and sight picture. When I was taking the instructor class there was a portion dedicated to teaching a "mock" class of beginners and while the instructor candidates are required to demonstrate some kind of marksmanship skills it really isn't that difficult.

    I live in a area where I can with ease employ several Grand Master classified and highly distinguished competitors that will for a fee (lets say $600.00/day) teach me the fine points of my favorite game. I know people that have done this with positive results. I know others that have done it with little to show for it. I have also seen competitors who shoot well, breaking one or more of the basic technique rules but still achieve a good score.

    So what to make of all of this? My opinion of course but if you have already acquired the basic information and know what a slide is but want to get better then prolly the best thing you can do for yourself is define you goals and then set up a detailed plan to meet those goals. There are many books and videos that you can use to refine your plan but the main things is to realize that the best way to improve gun handling skills is to spend time, a lot of time, actually handling the gun. I don't know you personally but I think that if you want to improve yours skills and are willing to make a viable plan and diligently work at it then you should see positive results. Good luck and have a great day!
    Last edited: Oct 11, 2018
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  4. 460Shooter

    460Shooter Member

    Feb 12, 2011
    The Land that Time Forgot
    I just keep seeing this thread pop. We all have different preferences and that's cool, but boy I just love them all too much to give up any of them.

    Yeah they all go bang, but they bang different. ;)

    Different hair color comes to mind.
  5. Mosin Bubba

    Mosin Bubba Member

    Jul 5, 2012
    I feel the same way as OP. I shoot revolvers just fine, but with semi autos I'm never on target.

    For one, I just hate 3 dot sights like 99% of centerfire pistols have the days, and then for some reason, I tend to always shoot semi autos low. I always thought it was just me jerking as I pulled long striker pistol triggers, but I tend to do the same thing with a 1911 (where even the cheapest import junk has a trigger pull like nothing).

    It's definitely a technique issue, but when I'm going out to shoot, my thoughts are "how many bullets do I waste today getting better with a Glock vs hitting what I want with a GP 100". So I'll usually take more revolvers than semis.
    Last edited: Oct 11, 2018
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  6. Bones741

    Bones741 Member

    Oct 2, 2016
    Upstate ny
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  7. CZF

    CZF Member

    Jan 6, 2003
    Yes, former LE here and cut my teeth on a Ruger single action Super, and also the .357s that
    the Deputies allowed me to handle when a young [email protected] years old.

    Nobody could own a handgun in Oregon until 21, or carry as a police officer.

    My first duty gun was Model 66, but I also had a .44 Redhawk and later went to SIGs and
    other autos, which ended up with a CZ75 and then Czforum.com, so many years ago,

    However, I've always had Ruger revolvers around.

    One thing that amazes me is that after I come back from a rnage sseion with a revlover,
    I shake my head an wonder why I have to work to get good hits on paper with auto,
    but just center punch with a revover? Eps.a LCr or SP-101, and now my GP in .44 Special.
    Anyone else feel the same way?

    Now that the idiocy in Seatle and Bloomberg backing is going headstrong with the
    Lock em up innitive, we will probably see the Demorats get that proposition through
    like the last one that bans private sales, did.

    I live in WA state, but Eastern WA, is like Idaho..

    The Democraps in Salem and Seatle are gun banner wet dreams that impose their
    will on us common folks.

    We will have to Register our semi auto rifles, even .22s this year.

    Probably our semi-auto handguns next year, so REVOLVER only
    looks good, but They Will Take those Eventually.

    Love revolvers here, and all guns.
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  8. Walkalong

    Walkalong Moderator

    Nov 20, 2006
    Problem solved.
    Colt Series 80 .38 Super With Storm Lake 9MM Barrel Pic 2.JPG
  9. Mosin Bubba

    Mosin Bubba Member

    Jul 5, 2012
    I keep thinking those red dots are the way to go. But I'm also hesitant to sink $150-$200 or so (just judging by what I've seen on Brownell's sales) on a Glock slide cut out for a dot sight, then like another $200 on the red dot itself, without ever having shot a dot on a pistol before. Just seems like a recipe for disappointment.

    Maybe if I find a pistol I like with a pre-cut slide, it'll lower the cost enough to where I'll take a chance on it.
  10. Jenrick

    Jenrick Member

    Mar 17, 2005
    Austin, TX
    If you're not doing serious work, and just want to see how it works for you, you can get mounting plates that fit in the rear slide dovetail.
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