Thinking about a new pocket gun

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by chaim, Oct 26, 2009.

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  1. chaim

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    Yeah, that dealer seems to be a bit insane. Some months ago when I sold my S&W 19 and 57 and my SIG 226 they went beyond lowballing me on the price they offered. They tried to get me to think that they could sell all three for less than $900 (when they had used SIGs in lesser condition on their shelves for $800) and months ago when gun sales were at record highs they tried to tell me they were at record lows (at the dealer I put them on consignment with my SIG alone sold for less than $150 less than what they claimed all three would sell for).

    I called another dealer that often carries Kel-tec (they are a bit far for me to drive there just to see what they have now that I've moved). They don't currently have a PF9 or P-11, and when I asked if they ordered them for customers they told me that they always have them on backorder with their distributor. So, I guess I just have to keep checking in with them. They do have the P3AT but if I go with the Kel-tec I will probably go 9mm (especially since both 9mms are small enough and the price is similar).

    After some checking on the Kel-tec owners group forum I still have the P-11 as my current top choice, but the PF9 is dropping and may be dropped from my list altogether. The P-11 has been around for a while and seems to (usually) be a pretty good gun, and when there are problems Kel-tec stands behind their products and has some pretty decent customer service. The PF9 seems to have a lot more problems, including some that are part of the design (apparently the problem I saw at the dealer is common- it is easy to short stroke the trigger and it won't reset without manually cocking it by racking the slide, something that would suck in a self-defense shooting).

    So, top on the list is the P-11. The LCP is still on the list (I may give it a try- I haven't had good luck with Ruger centerfires, but usually they are pretty good and I do have a MkII which is a great .22). I'm also considering just ponying up the money (after selling the Guardian and Bersa, and maybe the 85CH) to get one of the higher end guns (PPS, PM9, SW990L, M&P compact). I'm not sure which of the second two options are more likely, and I think the P-11 is significantly higher on the list than the other options.

    I would also add the Bersa CC to my list (even though I don't like it much, my Bersa Thunder has been quite reliable) but it doesn't seem to be on the MD approved list. The list shows the Bersa Thunder .380 as approved, but they require being pretty specific- the Bersa Thunder .380 Matte Plus is approved separately for example- so I don't think the CC is approved. Too bad, the size is pretty good and I'm sure it is priced right, though I'm not a fan of the slide mounted decocker/safety (or the sharp corners on my Thunder .380).
     
  2. joe_security

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    The price seems to have come down on the LCP, Im thinking there is one in my future.
     
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    it is

    a darn nice gun, if u want to read alot more about the lcp go to the elsiepeaforum.com.

    ruger had to recall all of them earlier in the year but now they are running damn near perfect to. Great little gun, not alot of money and u can rest assured that ruger will take care of any issues if it happens..
     
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    I just got a PM9 and love it. $800 with tritium night sights and black slide
     
  5. RobO9mm

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    If it were me, I'd keep the Bersa, sell the others, and buy a K-T PF9 AND a P3AT and put Crimson Trace Lasers on all 3. But , then, I have and like a PF9 and just bought A Bersa with C/T lasergrips. Now that I have a 380 (wife's new Bersa) I can justify buying another 380 (K/T P3AT) Just my opinion though....
     
  6. chaim

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    If I keep the Bersa it is only as a temporary stop-gap instead of buying a more capable and/or smaller pocket pistol for now. If I buy a P3AT or PF9 I won't have any reason to keep the Bersa. It wouldn't make sense as an IWB- my Taurus PT140 Millennium Pro is actually smaller in most dimensions and it is lighter, it disappears IWB with a tucked shirt, it is almost as reliable (I've had one hiccup when firing it in a couple thousand rounds) and it is in .40S&W. If I get the P3AT or LCP I'll have a smaller gun in the same caliber, and if I get the PF9, P-11, PM9, etc. I'll have a smaller gun in a better caliber. Given that it wouldn't be needed anymore it would only make sense to keep it if I loved it- a gun I haven't even taken out of the safe to dry fire in a year or two, and that hasn't been shot in several years, makes no sense to keep "just because."
     
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    The LCP is a good choice

    I have one for me and I bought one for my daughter.:D You probably already know that is about the biggest endorsement you can give to a gun. I wouldn't give her a gun, for self protection, that I didn't deem reliable. I also think that the Kel-Tec is a very reliable gun. I don't own one but have several friends who do, and swear by them.
     
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    I carry a PM45 in my pocket.
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  9. AJChenMPH

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    Something else to consider is the Taurus PT-709. Yeah, yeah, it's a Taurus...but most people who get them seem to love them (even if they have to send them back for repairs). Look for the various threads on it, including mine where I ask for pics to compare it against the LCP. You can even check out the sizes and widths between the LCP, the PT-709 and a PM9 on this post within my thread.
     
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    P11 because it uses the same S&W 59 series magazines. In a pinch, you can get up to 17+1 rounds (reliable rounds). Also, due to the slightly shorter cycle, I would recommend stronger springs in the mags if you choose this route.


    Way over priced on all of the pistols mentioned below, even at retail. Are you able to purchase off Gunbroker.com and have it shipped to into MD via a FFL Transfer Agent? The prices online are substantially lower than what you described.

     
  11. Browns Fan

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    I have a pf9 in my pocket right now. It is a little large for the pocket, but doable. I found the recoil to be a little stout, so I got the Hogue Randall Jr slipon grip and it works well. I fired it in a BUG match last weekend and did well with it.
     
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    I will soon be getting the LCP. I was leaning toward the 3AT but in forums seems the Ruger has no problems 'from the box' and the 3AT needs the 100 round break in
    What ammo do you use for sd/ccw?
     
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    Just saw a Sig .380 today. Looked like a copy of a Colt Mustang, single action. Very, very nice.
     
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    Chain can I ask what store you were at? Was it the Armory?
     
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    Was it the recent CDNN catalog that had the P3AT for $239? They also had the other Kel-tec pistols.

    If so, that may be a good place to start.
     
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    I have had the Elsie Pea for a while, and I love it as a pocket carry. It is a horrible thing to shoot for fun, or at the range - but it disappears, even in a pair of dress slacks.
     
  17. SHAGGY101

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    I would suggest the LCP. I costs the same as the P3AT but has much better workmanship. You can also look at the sticky at the top of the forum that has a guide to different types of pocket pistols. It is a great chart and will save you a lot of research. Me personally, I enjoy carrying the LCP in my front right pocket in a DeSantis nemesis pocket holster.
     
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    Chaim,
    Here's my .02

    For pocket guns I own a P3AT, PM9, S&W M&P 9mm compact, and a S&W 638 J frame. In all honesty, the most unpleasant to shoot is the P3AT. Once it proves dependable, this is a carry a lot, and shoot as little as possible option :D

    My PM9 is flawless and while a bit bigger than the Kel-Tec, it will also disappear in a pocket, and is MUCH more pleasant to shoot than the Kel-Tec. I carry this in a FIST hybrid IWB holster and it just disappears under a t-shirt.

    The M&P 9 Compact is an even more comfortable shooter, but is a bit bulkier when trying to pocket carry...(I may be selling mine, so drop me a PM if you are interested ;))

    For "around the house drop in the pocket duty" it is hard to beat a J frame. My 638 in a Nemesis pocket holster is generally my constant companion when at home.

    Good luck in the search!
     
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