Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by bernie, Nov 18, 2022.
A good piece of glass and you're sitting pretty.
The rhetoric of "advantage" of a short action is exactly that, rhetoric. 1 seriously doubt many could work a short and long action, tell which was which.
I have short and long actions, mini and magnum. The difference is minimal.
Since you already load for the 30-06, stay with that cartridge. You can load-up heavier bullets for elk. The longer 30-06 case allows for the loading of longer/heavier bullets than does the .308 case (without having to use compressed loads), plus also allows you to load hot for heavier game. The Tikka metallurgy is state-of-the-art. Stay safe, use only tested loading tables.
I have gotten sub MOA out of both out of box with factory ammo. But both were a few years old. Latest manufacture with Remington under new management I don't know.
because someone needs to recommend it
You DON'T need anything else then ,lug that 10.25 lb. wonder up and down the slopes like a goat
Seriously there's Nothing wrong with Tikka ,I own more than a couple although Not in 30-06 .
I'm somewhat amused by comments such as No 6.5 for Bull Elk and I'll tell you why .
There was this fellow over on the Dark Continent named Walter Bell aka Karamojo Bell ,some what a Legend among professional BIG Game hunters . His Rifles of choice 6.5mm and his .275 Rigby aka 7X57 or 7mm Mauser . Walter recorded between 865-1170 ELEPHANTS to his Hunting credits ,depending upon who's reference books one reads . He averaged 1.5 shots for the entire lot of them .
MY point is this ; You're looking for a sufficient lightweight hunting rifle ,ask yourself what's the longest hunting shot you've made ( successfully ) ?. Are YOU generally hunting in an area that 300 + yd. shots are common ? or need heavier bullets to break brush before contacting the animal ?.
It's NO secret I've hunted with a 7mm Rem Mag ,most of MY life and can honestly say ,I've only had to follow up one animal with another shot in over #59 years of hunting . FYI : The ONLY reason I shot twice was to eliminate the possibility of losing that animal down a canyon ,as it was nearly dark when I shot it .
IF YOU hunt ethically and responsibly with a proper bullet selection and the weapon YOU fire is accurate ,a 6.5mm Traveling 2800-3000 Fps. is gonna hit what you shoot like a freight train . Heavier the animal heavier the bullet need be and STAY WITHIN IT'S EFFECTIVE RANGE .
You could do a 7mm Rem Mag or 300 Win mag in an AR platform also or buy a Tikka ,if YOU feel the need for that type of performance .
I as I'll assume other hunters do , research WHAT I'm hunting and Where I'm hunting and at what probable distances I'll have an opportunity at taking a decent animal . One Gun it's MY 7 Rem Mag ,it hits what I aim at carries enough HP to do the job and IF it doesn't , I'll step up to .338 Win Mag . However I'm not gonna use a 175 gr. on a 165 lb. Mule deer at 0-200 yd. perhaps a 140 gr. 0-450 yd. Yet I carry 120 140 160 & 175 gr. because I KNOW where they impact at any given range between 50 yd.- 500 yd**. and ONLY two would go that far 160 &175gr.** out of MY rifle anyway .
IF I were hunting Elk in New Mexico and in an area of open range say 0-300 yd. ,I'd have NO hesitation using a 147 gr. 6.5 CM on ANY Bull Elk .
Also there's a whole lot of hunters who shoot Bull Moose with 6.5mm Swedes granted 20-200 yd. but none the less are successful ,so some of you might want to rethink that 6.5mm stuff .
You can run bullets about an extra 20gr heavier in a 30-06 over 308win. So ~220gr RN in a 30-06 v ~200gr RN in a 308win. No great velocity advantage from a 30-06 over a 308win either.
Strictly performance wise, the 30-06 is more versatile by a touch.
But "versatile" dosen't have to mean on paper balistics.
The 308win can be had in a dizzying plethora of firearms. Old school battle rifles like Enfields, FR-8s, Garands, etc. It can be found in some cool Cold War Era rifles, CETMEs, FN FAL's, M1A1's. Also available in some modern rifles as well, AR10's SCAR17's, Sig Cross, and the Henry Long Ranger. Certainly something in there will scratch an itch for almost anymore. That's pretty flexible to me.
Just playing devil's advocate, I think both cartridges are excellent. I just have few cases where I feel a 30-06 is plenty, but a 308 is insufficient. So I usually go with the model in 308, because I've already got multiple other 308's.
a 30-06 is useless. if you shoot at a deer more then 25 yds away the bullet will bounce off
with new powders and bullets the velocity in a 30-06 will match the velocity of 300 WM in the 50's and 60's. naturally new powders boost the magnums somewhat also
If you want to do a little work, a used wood stock Savage M11 in .308 or M110 in 30-06 with a good glass bed job and the accutrigger dialed way down tends to shoot bug holes also and is a solid hunting rifle as well. Even if you have the glass gunsmith done, your price point is probably significantly lower than the Tikka.
Well, that would be 375 H&H, but the 06 ain't bad...
OP, if I were in your shoes, I look at a Winchester M70 or Tikka of your liking in 308. Unless you are planning on hunting elk or larger game at more than 300y, the 308 will serve you just fine. Recoil is not bad, bullet selection (as with the 06) is great, and I like the shorter action. But that is a personal preference.
I've taken three deer with a Winchester M70 in 308 and none of them went more than about 20 yards. First one I shot was at almost 400y. She went down, stood up, staggered in a circle and went down for good. 308 with a good hunting bullet and proper shot placement will serve you well.
If I ever feel the need for more umph then the 308 can provide, I'll grab my 375 H&H. Which I've taken whitetail with. That big 270gr Barnes TSX did less meat damage than my friends 6.5 PRC...
.375 is wayyyyyyy too much for anything except elk, moose, Bison, bear.
Too much bullet, too much, powder and too much recoil.
Do-All Worldwide, but North America;
.30-06 makes more sense.
Well, it's not. And the recoil on my rifle is better than some light weight 30-06s I've shot. And it's absolutely better than the 300 mags. It's a big shove. It's not terrible at all.
My results, and those of many others, would say different. If you can shoot a 12ga then you can shoot a 375. And again, it does less meat damage than some of the new whiz bang low recoil 6 and 6.5s that every one is bandwagoning at the moment. I never said it was the best, I like 308 for light to medium game, but it absolutely works. My results and experience have proven that.
my 375 H&H is the best prairie dog rifle I own
Never tired that!
Tikka's Big Brother SAKO in 9.63X62mm it will do what a 30-06 Can't do
Good suggestions here. You all will get an innocent bystander in trouble!!! I'm looking up every rifle recommended.... And want several of em
I was thinking more of ammo sourcing. Lot's easier to find lots of variety in .308 ammo than .30-06...not to mention rifles that are chambered in it.
I've yet to kill anything too dead. Big bullets at moderate velocities do surprisingly little meat damage and produce dramatic blood trails. Too much much powder use is just a financial question, and too much recoil is highly subjective from one person to the next. One persons shoulder bruiser is another persons plinker.
This is a timber yarding area, where the bull was attracted to a few does that were calling to him to cross the road. The road was pretty narrow, except for this yarding area where the "breeding party" was to take place.
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