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Thinking about dabbling in a plastic double stack

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by captain awesome, Aug 22, 2019.

  1. captain awesome

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    So I have 70 something firearms, non of which is a plastic framed handgun, never had much love for them. I am considering broadening my horizons, and want to try one out, moneys not really an issue. I have always been a revolver man, but I love 1911's they fit my hand with the alexander mag wells installed. What I really like about them are the triggers. Even a bad trigger on a 1911 seems infinitely better than any plastic framed handgun I have fired (which I admit is few and far between).
    So my question, which plastic frame 9mm or 45s are going to have the nicest triggers, close to a 1911? if you were in my shoes what would you try first?
     
  2. frogfurr

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    I looked at plastic. With plastic the DA/SA triggers or striker fired seem to come included. Nothing wrong with that but when I started visiting gun stores (few and far between where I live) the triggers on the plastic guns were horrible. And these are on the plastic guns proclaimed most wonderful. Try a few triggers on plastic guns at the LGS and see what you think.
     
  3. 460Shooter

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    Might want to look at the Sig P320 X Five. Walther makes a striker fired polymer gun made for competition. Q5 Match or something like that.

    I really like the trigger on the HK VP9 pistols. HKs are the only polymer striker guns that interest me anymore.
     
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  4. Fine Figure of a Man

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    The Walther PPQ and Steyr A1 have the best striker triggers I know of.
     
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  5. tarosean

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    Not a single one!

    Get a double stack 1911 if you want to retain that type trigger.
     
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  6. Armored farmer

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    I am a ruger fan, so I like my SR9C.
    Totally ambidextrous, loaded chamber indicator, 10rd and 15rd mags, accessory rail. Cultish following.
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    Beware of the Glocks. I never fired one that I didnt like.
     
  7. cheygriz

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    When I got my first Glock, a Gen1, model 17, I HATED the trigger.

    After about 1,000 rounds, I "learned" the trigger and loved it.

    Don't try to compare it to a 1911. they're totally different. I now like the Glock and SIG triggers as well as my Match 1911.

    I don't think either trigger set up is "better" than the other, just different. Learn either one and it will serve you well.
     
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  8. frogfurr

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    Nice triggers on some newer guns (not 1911 nice) are available. Not on the plastic guns that I have tried and I certainly didn't try them all. I ended up with non plastic, aluminum framed CZ.

    Plastic is trendy now to say the least. When I tried trendy I was very disappointed. Try before you buy.
     
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  9. captain awesome

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    Already have two ;)
     
  10. tarosean

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    Then you are looking for something that doesn't exist. :neener:
    Either make do and except the sub par triggers or pick up another.. :)

    To me, plastic fantastics are what they are, and I own many.. I do not even attempt to compare with my 1911's.
     
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    My Ruger SR9c had absolutely the best trigger of any polymer gun I have shot and though it has a bit more travel, it feels as light as my Springfield Armory 1911
     
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  12. Snowdog

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    I agree with both the Steyr and Ruger SR series having excellent triggers. Mine don't disappoint.

    I have heard great things about the HK VP9s but have yet to get a chance to try them out.
     
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  13. 460Shooter

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    The VP triggers are really nice. Not 1911 nice, but among the best striker triggers available IMHO.
     
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    When it comes to modern handgun triggers most miss the Target. There are a few I’ve tried that were light enough but vague, others crunchy, some lacked a crisp reset, some were looong on both ends. Entire cottage industries have thankfully sprung up to help, including Apex Tactical who cut their teeth on the M&P (with good reason).

    They now make a forward set series of triggers to minimize pretravel, pull weight, and overtravel while improving let off and reset feel. They cannot fully duplicate the straight-line pull of a 1911 as M&Ps are hinged, but an Apex trigger can make a number of polymer frame pistols more enjoyable to shoot.


    Once upon a time I owned 3 M&Ps, two with Apex Enhanced triggers.
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    I mimicked the FPB contour of the Apex and reprofiled the third pistol’s sear. Factory bevel on left, rounded on right.
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    Grip angle is similar to a 1911 and the small sized insert allows for a slightly thinner 1911esqe feel. Shown with large insert which I have since swapped out.
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    If you’re a revolver man, you owe it to yourself to try a Kahr. No it won’t win a head to head beauty contest vs a K Frame but the trigger is very familiar. Mine is SS but the one I bought dad is polymer. It has supplanted his Govt. Model for woods carry even though he dislikes 9mm.
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  15. JohnKSa

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    Too many really neat guns out there and much too wide a variety to waste time and money buying guns that you don't care for.

    Buy and shoot guns that you really like and forget about the rest of them.
     
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  16. DocRock

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    Capt, you are a right-thinking individual. Or, at least we share a similar take on this issue.

    The only striker fired Tupperware pistol that hasn't pissed me off is the S&W M&P 2.0. Mine is in 40 S&W because the ubiquity of the little 9mm also grates on me. The trigger is nothing like the crisp, clean break of a 1911. But it's not unpleasant. And 15 rounds of 40 S&W seems sufficient. It's the bedside pistol because the fabulous Mrs. DocRock cannot rack the slide in a 45 acp 1911 but can do so with the M&P 2.0. I find it quite accurate. I don't love it. But I do rely on it.
     
  17. guyfromohio

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    The Walther PPQ is the best that I’ve experienced. The P99 is the striker gun that I’m best with and I love the DA/SA system on it. But the PPQ fits your question better.
     
  18. 5-SHOTS

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    Probably a Walther PPQ which is made both in 9mm and .45ACP.
    For a DA/SA polymer pistol, probably a Walther P99 AS, a CZ P-07 or P-09, a Grand Power, a Beretta Px4 or an inexpensive EAA Witness P (Tanfoglio); the last three are also available in .45ACP.
     
  19. GunnyUSMC

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    I get to shoot a lot of guns and I can tell you, I have fired great feeling guns with crappy triggers and crappy feeling guns with great triggers.
    My favorite handgun is the 1911. I have fired many with great triggers and some that the trigger wasn't worth writing home about.
    When it comes to polymer frame guns some of the triggers are terrible, a few are good, but most are middle of the road.
    When it comes to steal frame guns with not so great triggers, you had to know what you were doing or pay a Gunsmith to work on the trigger. When it comes to polymer frame guns with not so great triggers, you can buy drop in parts and do it yourself at the kitchen table.
    So I would say, look around and find the polymer frame guns that feel good in your hand and then check to see what aftermarket parts are available.
     
  20. bannockburn

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    In a polymer frame pistol I really like the trigger on my Ruger SR9c and my CZ P07.

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  21. Tallball

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    My Walther PPQ is good.

    My S&W M&P is pretty good. I got a police trade-in for really cheap and am impressed by it.

    I like the CZ75 based ones and copies thereof. The Tanfoglio made "EAA Witness" are nice pistols, have good triggers, and the polymer ones are pretty easy to find for $250 used on GB. The Turkish SAR ones are also decent. I got nice compact ones for $229 and $229 NiB not long ago.



     
  22. Rittmeister

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    CZ. P10C or P07. The P07 has a really excellent DA/SA trigger, and the P10 is the only striker fired pistol I have ever used that I get along with.
     
  23. Pat Riot
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    Okay. This is not me telling you or anyone else that Glocks are better...or worse. This is my experience. Period.

    First off, I agree with what JohnKSa said above. I nearly made a big mistake buying a gun I thought I wanted - thank goodness for gun rentals.

    Anyway, I was a 1911 guy. I loved my 1911s. I sold one and gave my daughter the other when I moved cross country.
    I got invited to an IDPA match but didn’t have a suitable gun so the guy that invited me loaned me a Glock 17. I had never fired a Glock because I hated them...yeah, I hated something I never fired.
    Anyway, I ended up buying a Glock 34 and using it in Competitions. The trigger was weird at first but I got used to it.

    A year later I was visiting my daughter and her family and my son-in-law and I hit the range. My daughter let me use my old 1911. I was a terrible shot with it. The Glock screwed up my single action trigger memory.

    Something to think about.
     
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    Closest I have ever gotten was an M&P (manual safety) with an APEX FSS aftermarket trigger. It is a great combination and approaches the feel and performance of a 1911 trigger.

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  25. Buzznrose

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    Capt A,

    You want a plastic gun with a good trigger but you really need to answer the question “what action?”

    You can make a plastic CZ-P series pretty darn close to a decent/good (subjective what that word means) 1911 with a trip to Cajun Gun Works or the CZ Pro Shop, but that’s a SA/DA.

    I don’t know that you can make a striker fire “as good”, and regardless, it would still be subjective to the preferences of the shooter...in this case, you. But like Gunny said, there are lots of aftermarket triggers for those evil plastic guns...find one you like the grip and angle of and figure out the trigger issue.

    Out of the box, I think the Walther PPQ and HK 9 are the best options...but again, subjective. I had a PPQ45 and got rid of it for a Glock 21 specifically because of the trigger...I like them heavier.

    I’ll give you a suggestion since you are asking for a 9 and .45...look at the Springfield XDm series and put a Powder River Precision trigger in it. Several 1911 shooters have told me they like the XD series because it points like a 1911. I’m not a 1911 shooter much, so I don’t see it. Anyway, I sent my XDm .45 to PRP they installed a really nice trigger IMO.

    But what do I know...I’m a dumb Glock shooter.
     
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