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Do NOT start with a progressive. you'd be asking for trouble. Learn each step on a single stage. A turret press is fine (Turret presses are single stage, but you can screw more than one reloading die into them at once). I have a rinky-dink old Lyman turret press that I use almost exclusively although my RCBS Rockchucker is used for loading hunting loads for rifles.

Like others have said, buy used equipment. I 100% guarentee that quality used equipment will outlast you. My RCBS press is probably 40 years old and I inherited it from my dad. It's a reliable as a new one.
Watch eBay for used stuff. Beam scales are old school and aren't "cool" anymore, so they're pretty cheap. Look for O'Haus, RCBS or most and name brand dampened scale. Likewise get a good powder measure. The RCBS Uniflow is infallible as are the old Lyman 55's.
Turret presses are handy especially when loading straight wall cases as you'll have at least three dies to screw in and out. Again, watch for Lyman's as they're usually a little less expensive.

Good luck!
35w
 
What kind of press do you want?

Let's talk about modes of operation first.

Batch mode.

You take a number (20, 50, 100) of cases and subject each one to the first step of reloading, progressing through the entire batch before moving to the step 2, then step 3 and so forth. This requires you handle each case multiple times, taking it in and out of the press and storing it while you process the entire batch.

This allows you to concentrate on each step repetitively 50 times (or 20 or 100) before moving on the the next step until you have sent the entire batch of brass through all the steps.

Very thorough, very easy to monitor, but kind of slow.

Continuous Mode.

You load each case from start to finish (from just-fired to ready-to-fire) before moving on to the next case. This allows you to leave each case in the press, putting it in once and taking it out once.

Here's why it matters to you.

Single stage presses practically require you to process in batch mode.

Progressive presses operate best in continuous mode, though can be operated in batch if you really want.

Turret presses can easily operate in either mode. To operate in batch mode, just leave the turret stationary and pretend it's a single stage.

On a turret press, continuous mode is like this: Insert case process in die station 1, rotate turret head one station, process case in die station 2, process in die station 3, etc. remove case, insert next case, repeat until your entire batch of rounds is all done.

On a turret press, batch mode is like this: Insert case, process in die station, remove case, insert next case, process through die station, remove case, repeat until the batch is done, then rotate turret to next station and repeat, etc until your entire batch of rounds is all done.

Clearly, continuous mode is faster on any turret press than using the same turret press in batch mode because you do not have to handle each case so many times.

A progressive press operates most naturally in continuous mode. You can operate in batch mode and some presses are easier to do this than others, but all are capable. The definitive characterizing feature of progressive presses is that they perform multiple operations (steps) simultaneously. To do this, they have a shell plate that holds more than one cartridge case, where single stage and turret presses have a shell holder that holds only one cartridge case.

So much for definitions.

Progressive presses are comparatively expensive, but can load a lot of rounds per hour. Can also make a lot of mistakes per hour before you notice something is wrong (and it is hard to monitor multiple operations simultaneously). Single stages are rigid, simple and slow. Turrets split the differences, but, as I mentioned before can operate exactly like a single stage very easily. Progressives can operate like a single stage only with some finessing.

The reason I jumped in with this post is because you have been inundated with suggestions for press selection and I have no idea if you apprehend the nuances of the different types. I hope this post helped.

Lost Sheep
 
Tell us of your needs

Help us help you. Tell us something about what kind of reloading you expect to do. What your goals are. What kind of shooting you do.

You have a number of pistols and some interest in semi-auto rifles, from what I read in your posting history. I did not read far enough to figure out if you are into sniper-type ultra long distance accuracy or not, though. And I have no idea if you will be loading in the hundreds of rounds per month or thousands.

The answers to those questions will make a big difference to the relevance of our advice.

Welcome to reloading. (We know you will.)

Lost Sheep
 
Let me share with you some posts and threads I think you will enjoy. So get a large mug of coffee, tea, hot chocolate, whatever you keep on hand when you read and think and read through these.

The "sticky" thread at the top of TheFiringLine's reloading forum is good, entitled, "For the New Reloader: Equipment Basics -- READ THIS FIRST "
www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=230171

The "sticky" thread at the top of TheHighRoad.com's reloading forum is good, entitled, "For the New Reloader: Thinking about Reloading; Equipment Basics -- READ THIS FIRST"
www.thehighroad.org//showthread.php?t=238214

The first draft of my "10 Advices..." is on page 2 of this thread, about halfway down.
www.rugerforum.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=13543

"Budget Beginning bench you will never outgrow for the novice handloader" was informed by my recent (July 2010) repopulation of my loading bench. It is what I would have done 35 years ago if I had known then what I know now.
www.rugerforum.net/reloading/29385-...you-will-never-outgrow-novice-handloader.html

and this one, titled "Interested in reloading" and mentioning 45 ACP specifically
www.rugerforum.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=13543

My post, Minimalist minimal (the seventh post down)
www.rugerforum.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=107332

Thread entitled "Newby needs help."
www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=430391
My post 11 is entitled "Here's my reloading setup, which I think you might want to model" November 21, 2010)
My post 13 is "10 Advices for the novice handloader" November 21, 2010)

If you think you might go for used equipment, here is some encouragement, titled "How much to start reloading....dirt cheap! "
www.Thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=439810

Good luck and thanks for asking our advice.
 
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I'm not worried about speed...I just want to get it right ,I want to load .45 first then move to 9mm and .223 I want clean powder ....ammo is getting too expensive ....
 
I will reiterate what someone else has said. I use my turret press like a single stage. My turret holds 6 individual dies. After each stage I can just turn the turret to the next one and continue as opposed to unscrewing each die and screwing in another like you do with a single stage. You can even buy extra turrets so that you can just change it out instead of unscrewing all dies when loading another caliber.
 
I agree, one could use their progressive or turret press just like a single-stage press until they get used to every little aspect of the entire reloading process, then move on to making the press function as it was designed, to crank out ammo in a rapid-manner!:cool:

I also say that even if the person buys a single stage press to start out, they will most likely STILL use that press after they get into it so much that they end up eventually buying a progressive.:eek: There might be certain case-prep's that they prefer to perform on the SS press, and, if they are loading for extreme rifle accuracy, they may also want to use that SS press they started out on!:)

I once had an RCBS Progressive (turret, whatever):rolleyes:, however I had sold most of my reloading equipment -- then decided to get back into it more "big-time" than I was:D, as a relative and I were shooting literally thousands of .357 and .44 Mag rounds per week;) (sometimes over a thousand rounds in one evening):)! For THAT volume of reloading, one really must have more than a single-stage press if they want time to do other things in their life beside sitting at the reloading bench every single minute they have free!:banghead:
 
If you want to start with a kit the Rock Chucker Supreme is about the best single stage kit you can get. They did not skimp on accessories. Their uniflow is a top rated powder measure and the 505 scale is also high quality. Just those alone will run up on $160. The press is a solid design with tons of leverage. Add a Hornady Lock-N-Load bushing setup to it and you can change dies just as fast as spinning a turret head.

All you need to start loading ammo is dies and supplies. I setup a couple months back and have zero regrets. I will say, for 45acp I do wish I could produce faster. 100rd is taking around 2hr. For 10mm I am fine with the pace.
 
Marine, I've never used one of those but I believe most people say that press is ok. And I'm sure it is fine to start out with. You may not like loading. I bought my lyman turret press from a guy on here used. I love it. Cast iron doesn't wear out. I also bought my beam scale used on here. I would go the same route if I had to do it over.
 
I started reloading with my brother who has old RCBS single stage press, dies, scale, powder dispenser, trimmer, .etc, all very reliable stuff after decades of use. After a time I invested in my own RCBS single stage press and thought I could buy pieces I wanted without getting the whole kit, which proved to be a waste of time. If I had it to do over again, I would just buy the kit...they are offering rebates at the moment. Since then I have added things. I now have the RCBS Chargemaster, the RCBS Case Prep Center (which I bought as a factory second for $70) and a Lyman Power Trimmer. These are really great additions. Now I need more stuff, like a carbide cutter head for my trimmer. A powder dispenser with micrometer adjutments (can't remember the brand...can someone help me out here?) when I am making small batches of tests loads, a new balance scale...and on and on. Maybe, just maybe, I'll get a progressive if I get into centerfire pistol shooting. For now, all I shoot are rifles, shotguns and rimfire pistols. I really appreciate this site for info. Thanks.
 
My opinion (like armpits, I have 2 and they both stink (to others)) is that every fledgling reloader needs a mentor. 33 years ago, I sat, newly married, constantly underfunded, on the floor of our apartment with a Lee Whack-A-Mole tool, reading the instructions as I beat the daylights out of 2 boxes of 357 mag cases and by trial and error assembled some of the most consistently poor ammo ever to be fired in utter joy. Realizing I had a poor teacher, I attended a reloading seminar hosted at a local store by the RCBS rep, learned a few of the errors of my ways and bought the RockChucker, Ammo-Crafter kit, dies for a couple of pistol and rifle calibers, etc. and launched. I still have all that gear, I still use it all. I still made mistakes, but I never stopped learning and improving, and I never made a particularly dangerous mistake, like an overcharge, or a squib. I owe that to the hands-on detail oriented methods of reloading essentially one round at a time.
Times and spouses changed, as did disposable income. USPSA/IPSC shooting entered my passions list and the necessary quantities of ammo increased exponentially. The rage at the time was the Dillon RL-450, that numeric designation hinting at the rounds-per-hour capabilities of the machine in the dextrous hands of an experienced reloader. I checked: 500 was possible, 400 was a more reasonable rate. I produced lots and lots of pretty .45 ACP ammo... as well as flipped primers, crushed brass, spilled powder, and the dreaded squibs. All entirely my fault. I'm a DIY kind of guy, so I figured it all out on my own, and of course, with the helpful hints of cohorts, gun shop groupies, manufacturers' techs and the like. I checked my need for speed at the door somewhere along the line and settled into a routine of checks and balances that allowed me to produce consistent, safe, quality ammo, and by slowing down actually got faster and more efficient.
When I got interested in casting my own bullets, I cut to the chase and found a mentor. I spent several sessions casting with his gear, learned about proper techniques and equipment choices and got a faster start down that path to success. That learning curve looks so much better.
To tie this diatribe back together, as far as equipment choices go for a newbie, I vascillate in my opinions depending on the individual's mechanical abilities, work ethic, and study habits. I personally advocate learning reloading from the basics, perhaps a single-stage press or a turret to get that real, in-your-face, hands-on experience with all the steps and components involved. That experience is invaluable when it comes to troubleshooting any form of reloading. I've never upgraded my progressive reloader beyond automatic powder and priming, because I still feel that by setting cases and bullets manually and using my fingers to index each round, I somehow have better quality control than those slot machines that poop out one round after another every time you pull the handle. And with fewer mechanical linkages, I think there's easier recovery from a somewhat catastrophic failure. That said, about ten years ago, I mentored my best friend in the ways of reloading, starting him with the slow and mundane, working up to the progressive. His first personal tool was a Dillon RL-650 with every freaking bell and whistle they offered for it and he has seldom had any real issues. I believe that's because he had a good learning foundation that familiarized him with the intricacies of reloading. You can't trade on experience. He has since mentored me in the use of that press. I guess it's okay. :)
Reloading is a lifelong endeavor, the equipment you buy will outlast you, and regardless of what you start with, will forever be useful. Several gun shops offer reloading classes or clinics, or can refer you to an experienced local who will take you under their wing. The knowledge you gain from try-before-you-buy will make your personal equipment decisions more relevant and rewarding.
My 5 cents (adjusted for inflation).

mike
 
Probably the best value you can find in a kit anywhere. There is nothing extra (except perhaps the six MTM ammo boxes) that you will think later, "what a waste", and nothing lacking except a scale.

Sue Kempf knows her stuff and I cannot recommend her and Kempf's Gun Shop too highly.

Sniper66 said:
I started reloading with my brother who has old RCBS single stage press, dies, scale, powder dispenser, trimmer, .etc, all very reliable stuff after decades of use. After a time I invested in my own RCBS single stage press and thought I could buy pieces I wanted without getting the whole kit, which proved to be a waste of time. If I had it to do over again, I would just buy the kit...they are offering rebates at the moment.
(edited for brevity)

Respectfully, Sniper66, I must disagree. I find most kits to have WAY too many things that are either not needed or stuff that the buyer will wind up trading out before long. I also have the philosophy that the thought put into the components of a self-selected kit pays dividends of increased understanding of the loading process. Of course, this is just a philosophical difference (or style) and does not make your preference for a kit any less valid than my choice.

The exception (of course, there is an exception) is Kempf's excellent Lee Classic Turret kit.

Lost Sheep
 
I'm not worried about speed...I just want to get it right ,I want to load .45 first then move to 9mm and .223 I want clean powder ....ammo is getting too expensive ....

What are some good CLEAN powders?

For 45 auto I like WST. I have found it to be very clean and accurate. For 223 it has come down to H-335, also very clean and accurate.


I think that is a great kit. I have been loading on a classic turret six years. It's a great first press for a beginner. You can take the indexing rod out and use it like a single stage. When you want to load faster put the indexing rod back in and load 2 to 3 times faster.
 
Great info guys....I'm going to order the kit from kempf,s....I WILL look here for info and ask questions and I will take my time and your advice thanks a bunch
 
New Myself

I have only been reloading pistol ammo for a few months. FOLLOW THE DIRECTIONS YOU GET HERE ON SAFETY, POWDER HANDLING FOR SURE. I have gotten many friendly and wise suggestions from the folks on this board. Buy the books...!!!.
Do your homework....I finally started with the Lee 4 stage Turret. I still only churn out about 200 rounds over several hours. A weigh them all....found one in five hundred that slipped by without powder. Problem waiting to happen.....Safety first.;)
 
Marine, the best advice I can give you is to make friends with someone who is an experienced reloader, and let him mentor you through the process.


It's how I started. And today it's how I pass on the hobby.


Semper Fi
 
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