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thinking of getting a Makarov

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by rockinrussky, Jul 29, 2007.

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  1. rockinrussky

    rockinrussky Member

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    I'm currently thinking of getting a Makarov for conceal and carry purposes. I already own a 1911 but thats a little too big for carrying at times. I was just curious what sorts of experiences people have had with the typical mil-surp Makarovs (the type that aimsurplus.com is selling for instance). I'm currently low on funds so anything pricey is out of the question. Also, I'm looking for something fun and cheap to shoot at the range. Any comments or reccomendations about this pistol?
     
  2. jh9x18ky

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    Does Aim still have any ??? The true Makarovs arent very plentiful ... The FEG PA63's are easier to find, or the P64 polish, but these are not "true" Maks. They do shoot 9x18 cartridges, but the pa63 is aluminum frame, and the P64 is smaller frame, smaller in size, different componets. I cant say anything bad about Makarovs, had had several Bulgarians, Russians, East German... I prefer the EG's, then the Bulgarians. The Maks are reliable, sturdy, inexpensive, and I enjoy shooting them. One thing to consider, they are only on the scale of a .380 as far as power (9x18 is a bit stronger)... not a really hard hitting caliber.
     
  3. CajunBass

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    I believe those "Makarov's" that AIM is selling are actually CZ-82's chambered for the 9x18 Makarov cartridge. It's been a while since I've seen any "real" Makarov's for sale except individual ones.

    Having said that, they're probably good carry guns. They're made by CZ, and CZ certainly has a reputation for tuning out good stuff.
     
  4. tackleberi

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    Previous posters make a good point.....while a gun may be chambered for 9x18 Makarov, they may not be true Makarovs. They may be excellent guns, but not true Maks. Caveat Emptor.

    That said, I truly enjoyed my EG Makarov when I had it; it shot like a laser, recoil was negligible, and it defined reliable and ease of maintenance. The only reason I got rid of it was I much prefer my revolvers, and since I'm not a collector, if I'm not shooting it, it's gotta go.

    Holster selection wasn't the greatest with a Mak; although there are a few makers out there, you have nowhere near the availability that you have with other guns. I myself prefer IWB/tuckable holsters, and the only maker I found that accomodated the Mak were Blade Tech and Milt Sparks. While I'm sure that these two aren't the only makers that do tuckable/IWB for a Mak, it was slim pickings compared to my options with a K-Frame or 1911 (for obvious reasons, of course). The Uncle Mike's Model 1 IWB holster is a pretty perfect fit, however, as is the Wilderness Tactical Safepacker Officers Model.

    Ammo options were hit-and-miss as well. Not much in the way of premium JHP's available (I ended up using Hornady XTP's), and keeping an ear to the ground can help you dig up imported FMJ for plinking at a reasonable price. I was lucky that a local gun shop had a boatload of Barnaul 95gr. FMJ that seemed to sit forever, so $5/50 round box was what I was used to paying. Prices online seemed to be a bit higher, however, and seem to have gone the way of the 7.62x39 ammo a few years ago...a bit more expensive than it was. You can vote with your wallet, however, and buy from the cheap vendors when they post it for sale. By so doing, and unless you find a cheap source like I did, you can keep feeding your Mak for around the same you'd feed a 9x19.

    As always, regional pricing is significant, and YMMV. Good luck with your search.
     
  5. lee n. field

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    Your basic shooter is going to be a Bulgarian milsurp. Everything else is going to have some perceived collector value. Couldn't tell you what they go for now.

    Of what I'm seeing at AIM, I'd be looking hardest at the CZ-82.
     
  6. ScaryWoody

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    During the summer months I carry a Bulgarian Makarov in a JIT slide holster. It is a light weight, durable as a tank, accurate shooter. The 9x18 round, imho, is a decent self defense round that if fired in a car, won't leave you deaf, or if fired at night, won't leave you blind. I carry the Hornady 95grain hollow points. The true Makarov pistols have become harder to find but if you keep an eye out on www.gunbroker.com or www.auctionarms.com ,they do pop up often. The average selling price lately seems to be in the area of $250.
     
  7. usp9

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    This is an E. German Mak, sporting new Pierce grips. While this gun is indeed fun and relatively inexpensive to shoot, it has some features that preclude me from calling it a CCW of choice. It is quite heavy, the sights are small and hard to acquire in a "combat" second, My particular gun gives me light strikes every so often, and finally, for me personally, this gun just is not a natural pointer. Some people, not me, do not like a European mag release on their CCW, (I carry three such weapons). This E.G. came from a local shop at a cost of $350, a bit high but the gun is pristine. $250 should get you a good Bulgarian or Russian gun.
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  8. fletcher

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    You would love a Makarov. Make sure you get a real one, and not the PA-63 or 64 (can't recall the number).

    Any make will serve you well, but general consensus is that the East German models are the best. I have a Bulgarian, and have never had a FTF or FTE with it over a couple thousand rounds.

    They carry pretty well, and have very manageable recoil. Buy a case of Wolf 9x18 and plink away :)

    P.S. - If you have a chance to buy additional magazines for it, make sure they match the manufacture location (Bulgarian for Bulgarian, Russian for Russian, etc.) and buy them if they're cheap - they're in just as short supply as the guns.
     
  9. wnycollector

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    russian commercial makarov's are plentiful and (I feel) excellent quality. They do not have the collector cache that true mil surplus Maks have but they do go BANG every time you pull the trigger! I have a Russian IJ-70 that has never had a ftf or fte with 1000 rounds of wolf fmj and ~400 rounds of silver bear JHP. I think maks make excellent CCW's.
     
  10. brashboy

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    A question for all the Mak owners: if offered a free Mak or a CZ in 9x18, which would you take?
     
  11. SouthpawShootr

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    Well, that's a trick question. I don't yet have an 82, but I have 3 real Maks (2 bulgies and 1 E German). So I'd go for the 82. But if I already had an 82 (in addition to the real Maks I already have) and the Mak was military, I'd get the Mak.
     
  12. Glockorama

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    I bought my Bulgie Mak for $149 about 5 years ago. I doubt we'll see those prices ever again. Mak's are excellent guns and well worthy of protecting my bacon.
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  13. brashboy

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    .380 to 9x18 comparison

    Since the .380 and 9x18 are the same diameter and close in size, a good comparison can be drawn.

    .380 - 90 Gr. = MV 910 - 1,050, ME 165 - 220
    9x18 - 90 Gr. = MV 1.050, ME 220

    .380 - 95 Gr. = MV 951 - 1,000, ME 180 - 211
    9x18 - 95 Gr. = MV 990 - 1,100, ME 211 - 255

    I had not looked at this before. There really is not a dime's worth of difference in these two cartridges. The key would be whichever gun you like or shoot better.
     
  14. ravencon

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    I have an E. German Makarov and it has a very nice action. The Bulgarian Makarovs I've seen are rougher but function just fine.

    Unless you're really lucky you won't find them to be especially inexpensive. Last time I bought ammo it was very reasonable.
     
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    Ah, for future reference, be careful here. The 9 Mak is not a true 9mm. IIRC it is something like a 9.2mm. Occasionally, you'll find a .380 with a loose chamber that will take the makarov round. It is exceedingly dangerous to shoot a 9x18 out of a handgun chambered for the 9mm Kurz (9x17 or .380 ACP).

    As far as the small difference in ME, yeah you're right. Doesn't look like it would make any difference to be shot with one or the other.
     
  16. wrangler5

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    Go for the Mak

    I've carried a Mak for a couple of years now (except in the hottest part of the summer, when the clothing I wear just doesn't cover well enough) and have never felt short of defensive power. I'd stick with the fixed sight models (Bulgarian most likely, East German or even Russian if you find a bargain) as the adjustable sight models look like they'd snag on clothing a lot more easily.

    The Mak is my favorite centerfire shooter, except in IDPA matches where bigger guns with bigger magazines are just better and concealment isn't really an issue. The Mak is amazingly accurate (I almost always hit 12-14" square steel plates at 50 YARDS) and dead nuts reliable. While not as powerful as 9mm Luger, I can place shots a lot better with a Mak than with any of the tiny 9mms I've tried.

    I prefer to carry IWB, and while I'm not familiar with the holsters tackleberi mentions, I do have a lovely leather model from Eric Larsen which is my favorite holster of any I've ever owned (he also makes tuckables for the Mak). I also have two FIST IWB models - both are adjustable for cant angle and have a wide selection of replaceable belt hooks. One holster is tuckable and the other one isn't. (I bought the non-tuckable model first - if I'd thought about it harder, I just would have bought the tuckable model to start with.) FIST makes relatively economical holsters, and delivery times are only a couple of weeks.

    Get a Mak, a case of Wolf or Norinco ammo, and a few extra mags (they're among the cheapest out there) and start having some shooting fun.
     
  17. O.S.O.K.

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    I own a Mak

    and just ordered a CZ-82 for car/on the road concealed carry. Also ordrered a holster from http://www.redstormholsters.com

    Why? Because the CZ-82 is basically an improved Makarov - holds 12 rounds in the mag, has better grips and ergos, behind the triggerguard mag realease and the sights are really quite good.

    IMHO, if you're buying this for shooting and carry or house defense, then get the CZ - if for collecting purposes, then get a Makarov - they are only going to increase in price unless more are imported.

    The CZ-82 is the best value going in a pistol right now.

    fwiiw
     
  18. lee n. field

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    he he. I've got 3 Maks. I'd take the CZ (I'm presuming CZ-82).
     
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    free mak vs free CZ

    I'd take the Makarov, sell it and buy the CZ-82, a holster and a bunch of ammo with the money :D
     
  20. jh9x18ky

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    "Since the .380 and 9x18 are the same diameter and close in size, a good comparison can be drawn."

    I reload the 9x18, and the diameter of a 9x18 mak bullet is .365 in., going from memory, the .380 is the same diameter as 9mm par and 38/357 .355 in. The rounds are not the same.
     
  21. Hobie

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    My Mak (a Bulgarian) has a butt near as big as one of my Colt .45 autos. It is otherwise more comfortable to carry though.
     
  22. rockinrussky

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    Thanks for all of the helpful comments. I've been considering getting a CZ-82 in its place, so now I might have to look into that. Being a Russian immigrant though, I mights still buy a Mak for sentimental purposes, just like the AKs and the Mosin that I own.
     
  23. windjammer

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    I've bought four Russian Mac's. One was a Hi-Cap.
    After buying the first two, I liked them so well, I bought
    two more for my sons.

    Never a misfire or jam with any of them. I think they are
    the best gun on the market for the money.

    The only complaint, the front sight isn't worth a damn.
    I replaced the front sight on all four pistols.

    Windjammer
     
  24. Hoffy

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    I love my EG Mak...the small front sight is the only thing that I would change (and plan to for a little over $100 when I get around to it). I had a problem with light strikes as well, which was fixed for under $20 by replacing the safety. Field stripping a Makarov is so easy it makes field stripping a 1911 look like rocket science.

    Check out www.gunboards.com/forums. About 2/3 of the way down there is access to a Makarov Forum and Makarov trader.
     
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    I used to carry a Bulgarian or EG Mak, and still do sometimes. They are great little pistols.
     
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