Thinnest skin American? winner: Californians

[danez71]

Its easy to criticize when you dont reside in a state that generally carves a path the country tends to follow in both policy and economics.

There... fixed that for you.

You spent a few months in Ca hiking around in the mountains and now feel you have enough 1st hand knowledge of the states residents? Incredible.

This thread really donesnt have anything to do with guns. Its more liken to sitting in the recliner playing arm chair analyst for a sport that you played once in elementary school.

 

[smallbore]

I was stationed in CA (1972) for 18 mos & traveled around the state when I had the chance. Have not been back since, nor do I have any intention to ever do so.

 

[Sam1911]

Some people try to fix a leaking ship from the inside. Some jump overboard and abandon ship. Some folks on other ships offer encouragement and advice. Others just point and laugh.

Some things are worth fixing, even if you'd rather not bother. Considering that, unless CA actually does fall into the ocean, we as a nation are absolutely stuck with her whether the good folks stay and fight or they all leave and let the bad folks have utterly free reign -- I think I'll continue to cheer for the good folks, and applaud those (better men than I) who have the heart to stay and fight such a thankless battle.

We can't cut out the cancer. We either have to run away and let it fester, exporting sickness to the rest of the country at an ever increasing rate, or we have to try to heal it -- and slow or reverse the outflux of bad ideas.

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Now to the original question: Sure folks justify the shackles they wear, more often than not. That is far from isolated to CA or from gun issues. All over the country, on any number of issues, we're told of how various limits stop bad people from harming others and keep good people from danger. Easy, glib sound-bites that allow laws to get passed and legislators to "earn" their seats. We are indignant that other shooters would believe and repeat any of those regarding gun laws, but we almost certainly all believe a few, ourselves, pertaining to other issues we haven't dedicated our lives to studying.

We can denigrate those shooters who believe in mag limits, "assault-weapons" bans, waiting periods, carry restrictions, etc. -- but the truth is, if we dedicated ourselves to the study of economics, nutrition, education, law, religion, energy, civics, travel safety, ecology, etc., etc., we'd all be heartily embarrassed at the plethora of "whoppers" we've swallowed.

Teach when you can, but don't insult, and pick your battles.

 

[parsimonious_instead]

I've loved California every time I've visited. Would love to live there - amazing, variegated terrain, and interesting cities.
I will not move there until they repeal their lousy gun laws.
I've always thought that California was a bit better than NY for firearm owners, but now it seems to be the opposite, with the restrictions on ammo purchasing and "approved" lists of firearms you can buy.

 

[Superlite27]

We can't cut out the cancer. We either have to run away and let it fester, exporting sickness to the rest of the country at an ever increasing rate, or we have to try to heal it -- and slow or reverse the outflux of bad ideas.

Or let it die and provide an example using its corpse.

I may take flak for my current opinion, (which is open for change with valid types of persuasion) but, unpopular as it may be, offers a hard solution.

I fully realize that my idea is to the detriment of gun owning Californians. I apologize for not handing you a tissue and commiserating. But I admire the tactic used by Barrett, and STI International.

Stop providing firearms to California until the guns "approved for law enforcement" are approved for the law abiding citizens as well.

I can already hear the tirade against me: "Why punish California gun owners?"......

....It's not me. It's your gov't regulations on private industry. Maybe if Glock, Sig Sauer, S&W and other manufacturers stopped providing law enforcement firearms, they will eventually get the idea when their crap starts wearing out and needs replaced.

I have no respect for companies that toe the line and will gladly make millions off California law enforcement agency contracts while their products are off limits to the general public.

I agree that it sucks for the citizens. I just think it's a "neccessary evil" to sacrifice the availability of firearms if it will eventually lead to the destruction of the "approved firearms list" for civilians.

 

[Harley Quinn]

I have friends that worked their whole life in CA have great pensions and moved, now they send me e-mails about how messed up CA is

Pretty much the way of people it seems to me...True we have a lot going for the state and a few things that some dislike...We have a lot of freedoms others don't have...Some don't like the freedoms that are accepted in CA as life styles of evil people, God will take care of you later thinkers, then you have the folks who think all should own machine guns Seems to me they are many cloaked in the same hood there

I like the state myself, give a little bit more for taxes, and get less in ability to own machine guns...So that is life...

Regards

 

[Kleanbore]

How does one conclude this sweeping generalization...

When it comes to the award to the thinnest skinned Americans the honor clearly goes to those from CALIFORNIA.

...from this...

....when I discuss gun rights with those from Cali they seem so biitter.

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I do not see the connection.

"Thinnest skinned"?

Apparently, the point is that the OP has discussed gun rights with at least some people from California with whom he disagrees. I can do that right here in Missouri, but I cannot see how that makes them "thin skinned". Across the river, the citizens of Illinois just elected a governor who opposes guns, and a Senator who feels the same way, but most of my friends from IL would really like to have the right to carry concealed.

I'll bet that's true in California, also.

I must be missing something between the lines here.

 

[Geno]

I lived in California for about 6 months, and in that extremely short time barely came to know the general map of the state, let alone the social and political framing and mindset. As such, it seems to me that 5 months would allow one even less time to internalize the makeup of a state. Oddly, over 50% of Californians seem to have a fairly conservative mindset per their Constitutional stance on gay marriage. It seems to me that the politicians are out-of-step with the population.

Whatever the case, we who live in the other 49 states can choose to throw stones at the California population, or we can choose to throw stones with them. I believe that in the end, California will be pulled mainstream, right along with the rest of the country, regarding the 2nd Amendment. In the meantime, such attacks as are found in this thread serve no positive purpose whatsoever.

Geno

 

[Tinpig]

Glad to see that some people on this forum recognize that bashing the entire population of a state is pointless.
There are many people in California, NY, Illinois, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, etc. who are openly and actively pro-RKBA. For a variety of reasons (family, jobs, friends, deep ties to an honorable heritage) we choose to stay where we are and fight the political and cultural fight from within.

Is cutting and running somehow more honorable?

Tinpig

 

[TexasRifleman]

Glad to see that some people on this forum recognize that bashing the entire population of a state is pointless.

Absolutely right. I'm having trouble understanding the point of this thread. Is there one?

 

[ants]

TX, if I recall "bashing the entire population of a state" was the Original Post.





Remember the story of three blind men describing an elephant?
One thought it was like a rope (he held the tail).
One thought it was like a wall (he felt the side of the animal).
One thought it was like a tree trunk (he had his arms around the leg).

Unfortunately, we humans draw grand generalizations from very limited exposure.

 

[Justin]

There's nothing useful in the premise of this thread.

 

[TexasRifleman]

TX, if I recall "bashing the entire population of a state" was the Original Post.

That's kind of what I thought, and that's enough of that