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This is an outrage!

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Slimjim, Feb 13, 2004.

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  1. Slimjim

    Slimjim Member

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    Ok, i was at the gunshow, and i just bought a new gun, so now i need some .223, so i goto the ammo stand and ask if the guy has any .223, he says yea, are you 21? Im like no, im 18, you only have to be 21 for pistol ammo, like he should know. WELL! Seems the state police wrote them a letter stating that:

    ".223 And 7.62x39 is now PISTOL AMMO" And you must be 21 to buy it.

    I cant believe this. This made me mad, When the :cuss: did this come about. Now i cant even buy ammo that i have been buyin for 2 years for my gun because im not old enough now. I dont get it, how'd this go under the radar. :cuss: :cuss:
     
  2. mrapathy2000

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    since some rocket scientist a made pistol ar15 variant and also made a pistol that shoots 7.62x39.

    is it stupid absolutely. no where near as many of them made as 22lr pistols.

    the 7.62x39 pistol got some cheap imported ammo banned as well.
     
  3. Dorian

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    :confused:

    Are they gonna use things like that ar-15 pistol and the G-3 pistol to rationalize that? :barf:
     
  4. 7.62FullMetalJacket

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    Well, if that is the threshold, then you are in deep doo-doo. The TC Contender is offered in many rifle calibers and it is a handgun.
     
  5. cordex

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    Dorian,
    Well ... yeah.

    That's how Fed.gov classified AP rifle ammo as AP pistol ammo. Nothing new under the sun.
     
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    Yes it is an out rage, but be cautious of how outraged you get. The thread may be closed down
     
  7. Kcustom45

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    A long time ago I was reading a light blue pamphlet about the youth gun laws or something to that affect. It stated that no ammo suitable for use ONLY in a handgun is to be sold to a person under 21 years old. Well, it seems to me that .233 7.62x39 and even 45ACP are not for use only in a handgun, but what do I know. This could be an Indiana State thing and not pertain to your situation.
     
  8. Stand_Watie

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    I have seen single shot long barreled pistols that fired 30.06 cartridges as much as 25 years ago.
     
  9. Ironbarr

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    [RANT]

    Frankly that's outrageous.

    Some smartypants' way to control the "environment", huh?

    Now all they need do is create a handgun for 20mm and all long gun calibers below and the 18-20 group is OOL. Tell me, just how do you handle a .223/7.62x39 handgun? Two men and a boy to control it? Particularly if it's a cheap "pre"-production piece just meant to ban the young ones amongst us.

    The ballistics, what about ballistics in short barrels - maybe a Ned Buntine, huh?

    Hell, they probably made six for test - declared the ammo Pistol, and locked all six up for posterity.

    Why do I feel my scivvies twisting???

    :banghead: :cuss: :barf: :eek: ....

    [/RANT]
    phew... got that over with.

    BTW: Is .410 shottie ammo also restricted to 21? I understand there are some "handguns" in that.
     
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  10. Michigander

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    Makes me wonder...

    At 18 years old, one is legally considered an adult, responsible for his actions. Yet they make a requirement that one has to be 21 to purchase such-n-such ammo, firearms, etc. What's to stop them from increasing the age to 25, 30, 52, or 79?
     
  11. Mulliga

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    Guys, this is nothing. People under 21 (like me) can't even order rifle ammo over the internet. I mean, if I go to a brick-and-mortar store, I can buy bucketloads of it, but if I order the same rifle rounds online, I'm suddenly a felon.

    Blech, I hate these stupid laws. :barf:
     
  12. Standing Wolf

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    Shhhhh! The leftist extremists just haven't thought of it yet.

    Seems to me if you're old enough to pay taxes, vote, and lay your life on the line for your country, you're old enough to enjoy your civil rights, too.
     
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    how many of you boomers remember when the legal drinking age pogoed between 18 & 21?
     
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    Well, Kcustom45, that was an ATF book on Federal law.

    This sounds like a Maryland ruling.
     
  15. gunsmith

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    drive over the state line

    and buy some ammo ...I need to learn reloading,hey what about that?
    could you buy reloading supplies?
    I hear it's a great hobby.

    I was allowed to drink when I was 18,from what I remember
    I kinda over did it.
    Now I don't drink at all
     
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    Do the state police even have the AUTHORITY to classify ammuniton in this way in Maryland? If this happened in Washington it would get a little giggle as i tossed the letter in the recycle bin.
     
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    Ironbarr "Tell me, just how do you handle a .223/7.62x39 handgun? "

    It's pretty easy to handle, I have the Carbon 15 http://www.bushmaster.com/shopping/Carbon15/az-c15p97.asp it's a blast to shoot literally, flames several feet out of the barrel. It is accurate, the .223 round isn't really all that powerful. This thing is a lot of fun, but kinda impratical for anything other than plinking and general all around good time.
     
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    Blues... Thanks - and sorry about that.

    MikeB...


    Well - again - I learn something new every time I open my mouth ... er... keys.

    That's a good looking thing, for sure. What would you say it's best effective range would be? 50 yds? Looks like a close-in-weapon maybe.

    Thanks for the info.
     
  20. whm1974

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    Get your dad or mom to get the ammo for you, fd that's not illegal whereyou live.

    This is news to me. If a friend over 21 brought some rifle ammo online and gave or sold it you would you and your friend be breaking the law? Is this a federal or state law sying you can't buy rifle ammo online?

    Bil MEadows
     
  21. MikeB

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    Ironbarr

    Well I've only really shot it out to about 50yards, I would guess it would work out to 100 with a scope. I've never chronoed or shot much but paper with it. It will show a good group at 50 though. Also the one I have was made before the Carbon 15's were bought by Bushmaster, they used to be a seperate company, but it still looks the same to me.

    Like I said, I don't think it's very pratical, but it can be a hell of alot of fun. It's also an interesting piece in my collection. When I go shooting with new friends, I'll usually bring it along - look at my toy - kinda thing. Just don't shoot targets at less than 5 yards, you might light the target on fire.
     
  22. ctdonath

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    Yup, sounds like some bozo put together some laws not intended to be put together and coupled them with some rare firearms just to stop a few people from buying ammo.

    AR15 "pistols" fire .223, hence the age restriction. Stupid, but I see where they got it.

    7.62x39 provided the precident. Some years ago Olympic Arms built a few prototypes of a 7.62x39 semi-auto pistol (a la AR15 pistol style) and sold a miniscule number (less than half a dozen, IIRC). Because of that, BATF loudly declared that the act made 7.62x39 steel-core ammo into "armor-piercing pistol ammo" (again, a long stupid chain of laws not intended for such purpose, but there they are) and promptly prohibited the import of then very cheap steel-core ammo.

    When is someone going to remind the feds that "shall not be infringed" means something?
     
  23. Hand_Rifle_Guy

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    Uh...I'm sorry. Sorta.

    T/C Contenders were some of the first firearms I was interested in from the get-go.

    That got me to The Monster. By extension, more or less.

    :eek: You'll forgive me for nominally contributing to the issue, but it was a done deal for some years before I even started collecting.

    You might try shopping around for some Wal-eyed employee ignorance. I won't tell if you won't. ;)
     
  24. Bill Hook

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    So, what does MD do about .22 long RIFLE? It would seem that there should be no .22lr for those under 18 either, in addition to whatever you could shoot in a contender.

    This ruling is full of holes, waiting to be exploited by those with the money to challenge in court.
     
  25. Slimjim

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    Yes im just wondering if its the police making up this rule, because i never heard about a bill or anything.

    WHM: I shouldnt need them too, thats the thing, i bought this same ammo for 2 years now they or an adult has to, unless this is just a gun show thing.
     
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