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I would not go as far as awesome, but it has some potential.

Would prefer if they made a thermal weapon sight in that price range, or at least have it set up so you could put it behind a holographic optic.


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thermal with msrp under 900 hundred... pretty cool. however if it was capable of using it with a scope or red dot that would be really outstanding. to me this shows thermal in some format will be affordable in my life time... god willing of course.
 
That does look awesome and I can see how it would be very useful. I'm curious what actual sell will be.
 
Considering it's illegal to use thermal imaging to hunt big game animals in all states it makes sense that Leupold (known mostly for their big game hunting optics) doesn't make this for mounting on a rifle.
 
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I think its rad. imagine 5-10 years down the road. I think street price will be 750ish maybe low 800's. its outta my price range right now for something like that but its not ridiculously outta reach either.
 
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Considering it's illegal to use thermal imaging to hunt big game animals in all states it makes sense that Leupold (known mostly for their big game hunting optics) doesn't make this for mounting on a rifle.

Ignoring the tactical and civilian defense market is foolish. I think that is a bigger market these days than hunting.

Leupold has plenty of tactical, non-hunting optics. So they are in that game as well.


Hopefully I will get to see one in person soon and find out if a flip mount that was made for a magnifier would work. Interested to see how the first real (not paid shrills) reviews say about them.

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Ignoring the tactical and civilian defense market is foolish. I think that is a bigger market these days than hunting.

Leupold has plenty of tactical, non-hunting optics. So they are in that game as well.


Hopefully I will get to see one in person soon and find out if a flip mount that was made for a magnifier would work. Interested to see how the first real (not paid shrills) reviews say about them.

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If you want to recommend that Leupold change it's marketing plan then talk to them about but I don't think that the original poster intended to debate their business goals - I know I'm not interested in that kind of conversation.
 
Considering it's illegal to use thermal imaging to hunt big game animals in all states...
It's legal to use them to hunt feral hogs in TX. Where did you get the information that it's illegal everywhere in the U.S.?
 
It's legal to use them to hunt feral hogs in TX. Where did you get the information that it's illegal everywhere in the U.S.?

Read my post a little more carefully, notice I said "big game" animals. Feral hogs, coyotes, and other pest animals are not "big game" animals.

Thermal imaging would be great for finding an animal that was able to run after you put a bullet in him. It would also be great for scouting for animals and tracking their movement patterns. Being a thermal (not infrared) device it works day or night.
 
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I've seen youtube vids of guys with ARs fitted with thermal scope hunting feral oinkers. This one guy shot one and a group started running towards him. He rapid fired hitting several. It was so close you could hear the squeeling bigs and see the white hot flashes of blood spatter up into the air and on the ground. Reminds me of the thermal gun camera footage from Apache helicopters, when they shoot terrorists with that 30mm cannon there usually is nothing left but a disfigured pile of steaming white goo.
 
Thermal imaging would be great for finding an animal that was able to run after you put a bullet in him. It would also be great for scouting for animals and tracking their movement patterns. Being a thermal (not infrared) device it works day or night.
I'm still curious about where you got the information that it was illegal to hunt "big game animals" anywhere in the U.S. with a thermal sight. I can see where it would be illegal to hunt "big game animals" with one at night in places where it's illegal to hunt "big game animals" at night, but that's really a prohibition against hunting at night, not a prohibition of thermal sights. As you point out, they can also be used in the daytime.

Here are the regs from TX. No mention of thermal sights at all.

https://tpwd.texas.gov/regulations/outdoor-annual/hunting/general-regulations/means-and-methods

I can't vouch for the absolute accuracy of this site, but it seems to indicate that hunting with a thermal imaging sight is only specifically prohibited in a few states. Hunting at night is a much more common prohibition.

http://www.hightechredneckincorporated.com/articles.asp?ID=261
 
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Maybe I am a little slow, but what on earth would you use this for?

Because threats don't only happen in the daytime. The ability to use your rifle effectively at night is a bonus.

One of these in a flip mount behind a red dot would be an option I would consider, for a number of uses.


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From your High Tech Redneck site
"All States prohibit hunting game animals (Deer, Turkey, Elk, Moose, Small Game, etc. etc.) at night and some will prohibit even possession of a night vision device while hunting game animals."

They also state that in Texas
"Night Vision: Allowed, not listed as a prohibited device per the Summary of 2010-2011 Hunting Regulations. Per consultation with Texas Parks & Wildlife Dept, it is legal to use night vision scopes while hunting at night for fur-bearing animals, nongame animals, and exotic animals & fowl (i.e. feral hogs).
Website: www.tpwd.state.tx.us
Phone: 512-389-4505"

Note that they don't say it's legal to use night vision equipment for game animals - there is a difference between game and nongame animals.


Pick any state you want and check their regulations, I'll bet that if they don't directly mention thermal devices they will say that you can't use image enhancing electronic devices. And as a last resort check with the game officials for that state and I'll bet they tell you that thermal imaging isn't allowed for game animals.

For example, in my state (Montana) the hunting regulations state
"Night Vision Equipment
It is illegal to use night vision equipment or electronically enhanced light gathering optics for locating or hunting game."

The concept that the game and fish departments are using as a guideline is the idea of a fair chase hunt and using any kind of vision enhancement isn't considered a fair chase.
 
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Pick any state you want ... I'll bet that ... check with the game officials ...and I'll bet...
Based on your initial claim, it sounded like you had some definitive source that indicated all 50 states prohibited the use of thermal imaging devices for hunting big game. That would have been a pretty useful source. I gather that you have no such source and that you were basing your claim on the concept that hunting big game at night is generally prohibited and that the use of night vision equipment is also often prohibited.

I can see where you're coming from but that doesn't specifically speak to thermal imaging prohibitions since thermal imaging is used in daylight as well as nighttime.

Similarly, depending on the legal definition of night vision for a given state, a prohibition against night vision equipment might or might not include thermal imaging. For example, if it defines night vision as "enhanced light gathering optics" that wouldn't include thermal imaging equipment since it doesn't operate using light at all.
 
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been chippy lately @thr what gives?
Ignoring the tactical and civilian defense market is foolish. I think that is a bigger market these days than hunting.

Leupold has plenty of tactical, non-hunting optics. So they are in that game as well.


Hopefully I will get to see one in person soon and find out if a flip mount that was made for a magnifier would work. Interested to see how the first real (not paid shrills) reviews say about them.

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I doubt Leupold is ignoring a sect of the shooting community. And won't be surprised when there is a similar setup that would be compatible with a red dot or scope in some fashion, much like the night vision stuff.
 
Has a user controlled reticle so what's the point of the red dot?

Mount one on your HD AR or shotgun and you're ready.

10 hrs on one battery continuous use. Plenty for the average wave of zombies :D
 
So you can't use this to first look for animals and then put it down and bring up your rifle to fire? Would that be illegal? I understand mounting it to a rifle would be illegal.
 
Nice to see that a very basic low-res thermal can be had for <$1k new, even though second hand Flir Scout PS24:s have been in the same price bracket for a while. Personally I'd be more thrilled to see a 384x288 or even 640x512 thermal sights at around $2k instead of $3...5k+ they sell for these days. My current FLIR is 320x240 and while it's far better than lower resolution models I've had earlier, the price tag was eye-watering (even after substantial discounts) and it still is a bit lacking in image detail. I managed to borrow a 640x512 thermal for a hunt about a year ago and I've been wanting one since. Badly.
 
Yeah, well hunting in a sensible place like Finland is not what we get in the USA... We get to buy all sorts of guns cheap enough, but can't use them for 1/2 the day in most places (the night half), and we can't protect our hearing very well, and we can't (or soon won't) be able to use lead boolits. It's a bit crazy ...

Does a dead animal care what bullet put it down ...
 
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