Timthinker
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After reading these postings, I think our readers know why I have referred to Hollywood as Hollyweird.
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This is my last Hollywood rant -- I PROMISE!!!
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DoesItMatter
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I love the endless clips - man... that'd make shooting at the range so damn cheap!
Or the revolvers that can keep shooting and shooting...
Or why, when the good guys go in with guns and flashlights,
the bad guys shoot anywhere, but where the flashlights are!
Or the fact that a handful of bullets into a car or an engine block
will generate a huge explosion!
Man... I don't want to drive those cars, fender benders would
result in tons of explosions!
Or the revolvers that can keep shooting and shooting...
Or why, when the good guys go in with guns and flashlights,
the bad guys shoot anywhere, but where the flashlights are!
Or the fact that a handful of bullets into a car or an engine block
will generate a huge explosion!
Man... I don't want to drive those cars, fender benders would
result in tons of explosions!
BHP FAN
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Band of Brothers was the best for gun realism I've seen in a long,long time.Last Of The Mohicans and The Patriot were also quite impressive in this regard.In fact,if you've seen both of the latter,I think you qualify for some Revolutionary War medals!
The gun guy
I worked on several films in Canada as a gun guy, the fetch the gun, show the actor how to hold it, etc.
One job, delivering a Winchester lever action, it was miles away from Toronto, on a farm, depicting late 1800s ranch, my scene was over, rifle back in bag, in jeep.
They have great food shipped in! So I was eating, and watching the next scene, ranch hand demanding from owner (Something?) pointing this lovely old single action Colt 45, not a replica! You guessed it, hammer down!
With a mouth full of pie, pointed this out to the Director. He re shot the scene, he said how many people would notice that? My answer, a lot.
(you lot!)
As a camera is only a one eyed instrument, you do not have to point a weapon at an other actor to look like you are doing just that!
Each time it was a blank firing scene a little speech was given "See this box, see this cartridge?" showing the movie only 50 round cardboard case,
"I did not load these cartridges" "And do not know what is inside them!"
"POINT THE BLOODY GUN A BIT TO THE SIDE!" It wasn't easy.
I worked on several films in Canada as a gun guy, the fetch the gun, show the actor how to hold it, etc.
One job, delivering a Winchester lever action, it was miles away from Toronto, on a farm, depicting late 1800s ranch, my scene was over, rifle back in bag, in jeep.
They have great food shipped in! So I was eating, and watching the next scene, ranch hand demanding from owner (Something?) pointing this lovely old single action Colt 45, not a replica! You guessed it, hammer down!
With a mouth full of pie, pointed this out to the Director. He re shot the scene, he said how many people would notice that? My answer, a lot.
(you lot!)
As a camera is only a one eyed instrument, you do not have to point a weapon at an other actor to look like you are doing just that!
Each time it was a blank firing scene a little speech was given "See this box, see this cartridge?" showing the movie only 50 round cardboard case,
"I did not load these cartridges" "And do not know what is inside them!"
"POINT THE BLOODY GUN A BIT TO THE SIDE!" It wasn't easy.
ditch_dgr
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Was the same in the Navy for the longest time the watchstanders carried a weapon in a holster with no magazine inserted, then we went to magazine but no round in the chamber. It was frustrating. As I was getting ready to retire a few years ago, it was changing. Not sure where it is now.
hankdatank1362
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There's only one name you need to know when it comes to Hollywood firearms realism: Michael Mann. (80's Miami Vice series, Heat, Collateral, new Miami Vice movie, etc....)
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yeti said:
And notice how he takes six shots center of mass, yet ducks when the revolver is thrown at him.
To Old guy:
I guess they didn't have you at the set of Art of War 2 (do not watch it guys) I even want my $1.00 back from Red Box.
Anyway in the first assasination scene, they showed a Glock firing with a CGI muzzle flash. The Glock didn't even show recoil or eject the empty casing or showed any slide movement. I knew I should stop right there but i got 2 hours on my break so i suck it up. Then they showed this XXXX battle rifle - which is a Calico handgun, no rifle stock or anything. The antagonist said it fires depleted uranium rounds. But when he test fired it, it shot a "smart bullet" with stabilizers and exploded on impact :banghead:
I guess they didn't have you at the set of Art of War 2 (do not watch it guys) I even want my $1.00 back from Red Box.
Anyway in the first assasination scene, they showed a Glock firing with a CGI muzzle flash. The Glock didn't even show recoil or eject the empty casing or showed any slide movement. I knew I should stop right there but i got 2 hours on my break so i suck it up. Then they showed this XXXX battle rifle - which is a Calico handgun, no rifle stock or anything. The antagonist said it fires depleted uranium rounds. But when he test fired it, it shot a "smart bullet" with stabilizers and exploded on impact :banghead:
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What, no one's yet mentioned "curving the bullet" like in Wanted?
unisonic12
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So is Ah-nuld and Stallone.
You mentioned Lethal Weapon...don't forget Danny Glover. Rabidly anti-gun. Renee Russo as well. Pretty much EVERY Gibson movie heavily involves weapons. The Road Warrior/Mad Max movies, The Patriot, Braveheart, etc.
Bond, aka Connery is anti-gun and I believe the current Bond, Daniel Craig, is as well.
Even Carrie Fischer is anti. Pretty much the only movies she's known for had her as a gun totin' Princess Leia. She even rocked an M16 in the Blues Brothers.
James Brolin in No Country for Old Men.
Sigourney Weaver of the Alien movies.
Matt Damon of the Bourne movies.
David Duchovny as the gun toting FBI agent both on TV and the movies.
The list goes on and on with these POS hypocrites.
Anti gun companies and celebrities:
http://www.gunowners.org/fs0302.htm
You mentioned Lethal Weapon...don't forget Danny Glover. Rabidly anti-gun. Renee Russo as well. Pretty much EVERY Gibson movie heavily involves weapons. The Road Warrior/Mad Max movies, The Patriot, Braveheart, etc.
Bond, aka Connery is anti-gun and I believe the current Bond, Daniel Craig, is as well.
Even Carrie Fischer is anti. Pretty much the only movies she's known for had her as a gun totin' Princess Leia. She even rocked an M16 in the Blues Brothers.
James Brolin in No Country for Old Men.
Sigourney Weaver of the Alien movies.
Matt Damon of the Bourne movies.
David Duchovny as the gun toting FBI agent both on TV and the movies.
The list goes on and on with these POS hypocrites.
Anti gun companies and celebrities:
http://www.gunowners.org/fs0302.htm
heavyshooter
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You don't know how to do that. It's all in the rist.
heavyshooter
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unisonic12 made my point better than I did. They are not merely actors/entertainers, they are political philosophers. And in spite of their overt hypocrisy, they are being heard. I know I am a broken record, but you have to admit that the entertainment capital of the world (California) has very peculiar gun laws.
Gun haters?
They don't do well on "till death do us part either"
The new Bond I am not sure of, but Mel Gibson blinked his way through the PD Range session in Lethal Weapon 1, shooting blanks!
I am totally at a loss as how you can profess to hate an inanimate object?
One time had the pleasure of having a TV reporter, nice looking Lady, use my range for a live fire portion of a story on the Gang culture, and the script called for her shooting a Glock 17. While waiting for a battery pack, I showed her how the pistol dissembled (she had already gone through the I hate guns speech) when it was in little pieces she started asking questions!
Then went through dry fire, master eye, grip and trigger release.
Pack arrived, IPSC target, seven yards, I only loaded one round, Bang.... the camera panned to the target (I saw this on the 6 o-clock news later) dead center hit! Had to do it again, screwed up the talking part.
The tape I used was the exact color of the target, I patched it, she fired again, placed the gun down as instructed, pointing down range, locked back.
I put it back in it's case, she could not wait to go in to the range to look at her hits! The second one was an inch away from the first one.
She asked if she could have the target? Sure said I. And signed it.
They don't do well on "till death do us part either"
The new Bond I am not sure of, but Mel Gibson blinked his way through the PD Range session in Lethal Weapon 1, shooting blanks!
I am totally at a loss as how you can profess to hate an inanimate object?
One time had the pleasure of having a TV reporter, nice looking Lady, use my range for a live fire portion of a story on the Gang culture, and the script called for her shooting a Glock 17. While waiting for a battery pack, I showed her how the pistol dissembled (she had already gone through the I hate guns speech) when it was in little pieces she started asking questions!
Then went through dry fire, master eye, grip and trigger release.
Pack arrived, IPSC target, seven yards, I only loaded one round, Bang.... the camera panned to the target (I saw this on the 6 o-clock news later) dead center hit! Had to do it again, screwed up the talking part.
The tape I used was the exact color of the target, I patched it, she fired again, placed the gun down as instructed, pointing down range, locked back.
I put it back in it's case, she could not wait to go in to the range to look at her hits! The second one was an inch away from the first one.
She asked if she could have the target? Sure said I. And signed it.
heavyshooter
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Imagine that. She enjoyed the detestable.
All IMO,
It surprises me that so many people put stock in what a movie star or musician has to say without further investigating the subject themselves. Many times, the star really isn't that educated on the subject or has enough thought to be objective with their reasoning.
It surprises me that so many people put stock in what a movie star or musician has to say without further investigating the subject themselves. Many times, the star really isn't that educated on the subject or has enough thought to be objective with their reasoning.
psalm91
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It's all MacGyver's fault!
That genious turned pansy at the sight of a firearm..handled them like dirty drawers.
That genious turned pansy at the sight of a firearm..handled them like dirty drawers.
I did the shooting for a short movie clip yesterday (some sort of promotional trailer)- just the part where a hand with pistol appears from below the frame and then fires four shots in rapid succession. The clip is to be cut into some previous footage made with an actor raising an empty pistol. Particularly the movie team wanted a clip they could slow down to show the slide cycling and a juicy muzzle flash.
They used a Glock 40. Why? Everybody has heard of a Glock.
The ammo they supplied did not produce enough muzzle flash - I made up some reloads at short notice that did a better job.
They wanted a tight shot - this resulted in the pistol recoiling out of the frame. I offered lower power loads but they thought zooming out would be OK.
My Sig with standard ammo produced a better flash than the Glock. They may cut the Sig into the scene but they know that it must be impossible to detect the change of pistol. Black pistol on dark background - may work.
After reviewing the first take I realized that my trigger finger was along the frame until the pistol was on target. Since the shots were tight my finger showed up clearly because we were using a dark background to capture the muzzle flash. This was supposed to be a bad-guy firing so we decided that the finger should be on the trigger as the gun came up - can't have the sleazy bad-guy using good technique.
The movie crew was great to work with and they appreciated comments to improve accuracy and the application of strict safety rules.
They used a Glock 40. Why? Everybody has heard of a Glock.
The ammo they supplied did not produce enough muzzle flash - I made up some reloads at short notice that did a better job.
They wanted a tight shot - this resulted in the pistol recoiling out of the frame. I offered lower power loads but they thought zooming out would be OK.
My Sig with standard ammo produced a better flash than the Glock. They may cut the Sig into the scene but they know that it must be impossible to detect the change of pistol. Black pistol on dark background - may work.
After reviewing the first take I realized that my trigger finger was along the frame until the pistol was on target. Since the shots were tight my finger showed up clearly because we were using a dark background to capture the muzzle flash. This was supposed to be a bad-guy firing so we decided that the finger should be on the trigger as the gun came up - can't have the sleazy bad-guy using good technique.
The movie crew was great to work with and they appreciated comments to improve accuracy and the application of strict safety rules.
johncantiusgarand
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I am somewhat forgiving of an actor's inaccurate portrayal of gun-handling techniques or impossible skill. And I understand that it is impossible to be perfect. But the fault isn't always the ignorance of the movie-makers. What irritates me is the added sound effects like the trigger clicking noise they add as the bad guy continues to try to fire his now-empty slide-locked auto. Or the metallic clicking noises that have to accompany the pointing of every pistol. And what really gets my goat is the "zzzzzzzzz" sound they add when someone swings out and then spins the cylinder of a double action revolver. Yes, Mr. Director, single action revolvers make that ratchety sound when you spin their cylinders, but surely you noticed that the double-action revolver's cylinder you filmed spun silently. Why do they have to dub in all those extraneous, innacurate sound effects?
mgregg85
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I always enjoyed the pump shotgun racking sound byte that is played in most movies when people pull out all manner of guns. I've never heard a glock or a revolver make that noise in real life, but they magically make that noise on the silver screen.
heavyshooter
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Mortimer J. Adler said, "All men Philosophize." He never said they were good at it.
The problem is not that Duchovny is a philosopher, we are all philosophical animals. The problem with Duchovny is that he is not a very good philosopher and he has a platform from which his voice heard.- Status
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