This is what "innovation" for firearms is now a days...

[snakeman]

Oh boy...here it goes!

 

[Sam1911]

45_auto seems to have missed the point of the thread, which was that much that is called "innovation" really is just very minor modifications to already existing items.

Titan has a project going on which is much more "outside-the-box" than this ... but that carries with it the fact that it is less readily accepted by folks than some "new" thing they've more or less seen before.

 

[45_auto]

Sorry, I have just as hard a time calling an AR15 with some weights and liquid cooling "innovative" as I do a re-designed plastic stock.

Both concepts are well over a century old. Sticking them on an AR15 may give you a good feeling, and you may like machining metal instead of molding plastic, but complaining about somebody else's product doesn't make what you're doing any less irrelevent.

Maybe I should just take my project and use cheap plastic, slap some zombie stickers on it and sell it to TAPCO. They could sell it for $3,000 and if I got 20% royalties I'd be happy.

I get the impression that you're disappointed that no one wants to give you big bucks for your hobby project.

You may find this old American Rifleman article on innovation in the firearms industry enlightening:

http://www.americanrifleman.org/BlogEntry.aspx?id=1846&cid=25

From the above article:

Meanwhile, what innovations have American gun makers brought forth? Kimber has come on strong… with an upgraded 1911. That would be circa, uhm, 1911. S&W introduced its own AR15, as did Remington and Ruger. We're up to circa 1965.

And you're proposing what? A heavy, 30-40 lb weapon for stability, from muzzleloader days? And liquid cooling from a 1910 Maxim?

Maybe there's more to your project than what you're showing, is so, you're hiding it well!

 

[TITAN308]

I get the impression that you're disappointed that no one wants to give you big bucks for your hobby project.

By all means please share with the people here where you can go to place an order for something we offer. This is a common accusation I get. And each time I ask for proof. A link, an email solicitation, a PM solicitation. And guess what I never get 100% of the time?

I could however provide you screenshots of people contacting ME and me having to tell them we do not have any public offerings as of this time. But lets be honest, you are not really interested in pesky things like that.

I'm getting the feeling you come from the old generation I've bumped into on occasion who seem to get offended for no other reason than they don't like change, new, or fun stuff.

"Damn kids! Get off my lawn!"

You want to know another bizarre oddity?

100% of the people who meet me in person and see the project are polite, civil and have nice things to say about it.

Its a good 50/50 split on the internet.

Boy - that sure tells us a whole lot of what we already know; People become raving lunatics when they have a buffer of a few thousand miles between them and the person they are taking jabs at.

45_auto seems to have missed the point of the thread, which was that much that is called "innovation" really is just very minor modifications to already existing items

Careful Sam, taking internet postings for face value is a dangerous game. Didn't you know all postings have a hidden agenda? Apparently mine is to complain about lack of sales for something I don't even sell. I am a crappy salesman apparently.

 

[Sam1911]

All right... let's end there rather than see how many bouts we can go. If all of innovation is required to be completely novel, we probably won't have any at all. Everything is derivative of what came before ... somewhere, somehow.

Somebody make a stock that's 1% better than the stocks that came before? Great!

Someone makes some unusual rifle modifications that change its characteristics radically? Great!