MinnMooney
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Why are some of posting negative replys without even watching the whole video???
It has a fairly good ending.
It has a fairly good ending.
This is what our NRA membership dollars go toward?
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C96
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Minn you don't have to watch it if you already have your mind made up. There appear to be a few that don't need much to bash something.
I thought it funny.
I thought it funny.
The ad is from the NRA-ILA Trigger the Vote campaign to get people off the couch (or up from the keyboard) and out to vote in Nov. 2010 for 2A supporting candidates. http://www.triggerthevote.org/why-me-why-now/
Part of advertising is the generate a discussion in the target group in hopes of that leading to the desired action. They've succeeded on the first part.
Part of advertising is the generate a discussion in the target group in hopes of that leading to the desired action. They've succeeded on the first part.
stickhauler
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For God's sake, the video wasn't made for TV anyway, it was made as a totally internet video. For a video to even get any notice on line, it's made to be as out there as possible. Check any net video that goes "viral", it's as out of the box as possible.
Sure, make a video with businessmen dressed in business attire. Great idea! And the anti-gun press will have a field day claiming the NRA got "actors" to portray gun owners as regular people, which the anti gun crowd is absolutely positively convinced it impossible. They'll claim the NRA is trying to spread some sort of propaganda.
You folks all frosted about getting renewal notices? Become a life member, the only things you'll get is a request for you to become a patron or benefactor.
I'm a proud life member of the NRA. In my opinion, many who manufacture reasons to dislike the NRA are basically too cheap to contribute to keeping their 2nd amendment rights. They opt to allow others to carry them. That, to me anyway, is sad.
Sure, make a video with businessmen dressed in business attire. Great idea! And the anti-gun press will have a field day claiming the NRA got "actors" to portray gun owners as regular people, which the anti gun crowd is absolutely positively convinced it impossible. They'll claim the NRA is trying to spread some sort of propaganda.
You folks all frosted about getting renewal notices? Become a life member, the only things you'll get is a request for you to become a patron or benefactor.
I'm a proud life member of the NRA. In my opinion, many who manufacture reasons to dislike the NRA are basically too cheap to contribute to keeping their 2nd amendment rights. They opt to allow others to carry them. That, to me anyway, is sad.
Flobert
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Um,
Kinda silly but yes, voting matters.
Kinda silly but yes, voting matters.
Full Metal Jacket
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you guys that thought it was funny before chuck showed up are too easily entertained.....
Full Metal Jacket
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the intent was fine, however the execution sucked....
It's not as simple as just vote. That's the philosphy that got us what we have on capitol hill now.
Too many aren't capable of doing research for themselves. They simply follow the "crowd" like sheep.
Some examples are "I'm not voting for him he has no chance of winning" talk about lame.
Too many aren't capable of doing research for themselves. They simply follow the "crowd" like sheep.
Some examples are "I'm not voting for him he has no chance of winning" talk about lame.
Sam1911
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I guess that's not true. I do like the NRA, support the organization consistenly (even though I admit to not always having agreed with certain positions), and yet, I did not like the ad.
I suppose broad comedy can be used to sell important activism points, and maybe this will succeed in some way. Every detail of how you advertise yourself and your message has to be considered both from what it might gain for you with some folks and to what extent it may harm your image with others. Cost -vs.- benefit.
How strongly will this motivate group A, and how much help will that be to us? How negatively will this read to group B, and how much do we care about driving them away?
If we can say that this will really motivate folks who find this kind of thing funny -- and we really need to get lots more of them to the polls; and the people it will offend either won't ever be on our side OR are (like myself) going to be working for us anyway regardless of their negative view of this ad, then it pays to run it.
Like the old "Jack-Booted Thugs" line, it might be embarassing and distasteful to some of us, but still serve a successful pragmatic end.
jimmyraythomason
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I still think there is more truth here than not. Perhaps it reveals an underlying dissapproval(and perhaps not). Either way, attacking our greatest ally in the defense of our RKBA isn't going to further our cause.
Sam1911
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So it is inappropriate for the devoted membership to express their opinions on steps -- especially public image steps -- the Association (well, NRA-ILA, anyway) is taking?
The NRA isn't a diety which issues edicts its devotes must accept and follow. It is an Association of members asking to be represented (to have THEIR voices to be heard!) as a cohesive group. We all have some small amount of say in what it does an how it portreys itself/us.
That isn't "attacking" the organization, any more than going on a diet or getting a haircut is "attacking" yourself!
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We seem to be saying that all gun owners should be members of the NRA (which I agree with completely) and that as members we should shut up and go along with whatever the organization's leadership says. I don't agree with that. If I wanted to have to follow a group in silent, blind faith, I'd join a church. If I'm hiring (in essence) a group to speak for me I think they should get a tiny little earful of what I want said, and what I don't want said, in my name.
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jimmyraythomason
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No it isn't,infact I encourage it. What I DO have a problem with is so-called RKBA supporters finding fault(usually very loudly) with everything the organization does!
United we stand.Divided we fall. How can we get our message across when we don't even agree what that message is? If a member has a problem with something the organization is doing then tell the organization about it NOT the internet!
Sam1911
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So we shouldn't talk about our thoughts and feelings first? We shouldn't vet our first responses through a little "reality check" here on THR just to see if maybe we're missing something important to which our peers here can enlighten us before we send Chris and Wayne a few nasty emails?Bogus.
Truth be told, I've softened my original impressions of the video (a little, tiny, bit) since having read some of the contrary points in this thread. Maybe I should have fired off those emails first before my fellow members eased up my hard line opposition to it?
jimmyraythomason
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Suit yourself Sam. I believe all of this back and forth yammering is hurting our cause not helping and by posting here I am also a contributor to it. I guess,at least for me, the answer is to just stop reading these " let's all gang up and attack the NRA" threads. At least I should stop contributing to them or at least try.
Saying that NRA members will like the video and saying that folks that don't like the NRA won't are absolute statements that are nearly impossible to be valid.
I've sure some of the NRA haters will find the video amusing and get the point even if many, if not most, won't.
As a long time NRA and NRA-ILA supporter I did not like the video, but realize that others will and that difference of opinion is generating discussions that will make people at least think about the message being sent, "Get up from behind the keyboard and vote for a change".
At the very least, 2 of us that didn't like it and that means not all of us liked it, but all of us here are discussing it and that may have been the point of the video
That makes me wonder if being a little controversial wasn't the intent so that people would have conversations starting with, "Did you see that stupid/goofy/cool Target the Vote video that starts out with ...". Generating interest to get people to hear the message instead of ignore it is the point of any marketing.
I've sure some of the NRA haters will find the video amusing and get the point even if many, if not most, won't.
As a long time NRA and NRA-ILA supporter I did not like the video, but realize that others will and that difference of opinion is generating discussions that will make people at least think about the message being sent, "Get up from behind the keyboard and vote for a change".
At the very least, 2 of us that didn't like it and that means not all of us liked it, but all of us here are discussing it and that may have been the point of the video
That makes me wonder if being a little controversial wasn't the intent so that people would have conversations starting with, "Did you see that stupid/goofy/cool Target the Vote video that starts out with ...".
Generating interest to get people to hear the message instead of ignore it is the point of any marketing.
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jimmyraythomason
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Of course it was an absolute statement and intended to be so. The fact is,if you don't like the NRA you will find fault with the video even if it featured people sipping wine and wearing smoking jackets. See? What did I tell you? Another train wreck that I couldn't resist.
MikeNice
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I showed this to my wife. She looked at me and said simply, "what the h*** were they thinking."
That video makes all of the "we're responsible law abiding citizens" talk look like a sad joke. I am starting to rethink my commitment to the NRA.
That video makes all of the "we're responsible law abiding citizens" talk look like a sad joke. I am starting to rethink my commitment to the NRA.
evan price
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Well, at least it's not a wine-of-the-month advertisement.
Other than that--- two thumbs down
Other than that--- two thumbs down
ConstitutionCowboy
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I think the NRA Board of Directors has lost its collective mind. To wit:
And I thought Congress was out of touch!
Woody
Supporting that NICS "improvement" legislation that has cost some veterans their ability to legally keep and bear arms.
Misleading the public with disingenuous ads inferring they single-handedly won Heller and McDonald.
One of the members of the Board proposing and the rest of the Board supporting legislation to "investigate" micro-stamping.
Now this ad portraying gun owning citizens as hectic crass taurine vulgar rednecks?
Misleading the public with disingenuous ads inferring they single-handedly won Heller and McDonald.
One of the members of the Board proposing and the rest of the Board supporting legislation to "investigate" micro-stamping.
Now this ad portraying gun owning citizens as hectic crass taurine vulgar rednecks?
And I thought Congress was out of touch!
Woody
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