Stevie-Ray
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So somebody pulled a big boner on Big Bone, eh?
This is wierd - NIB rifle was loaded, fires...
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El Tejon
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Jeff, objection, assuming facts not in evidence, your honor.
(Aren't we all).
You presuppose the alleged 17 year old was instructed properly. At any age the boy is a monkey until educated. What did Sun Zi say?
(Aren't we all).You presuppose the alleged 17 year old was instructed properly. At any age the boy is a monkey until educated. What did Sun Zi say?
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Dicks Sporting Goods is Busted on that one... I have NEVER purchased a firearm where the dealer did not check the actual number on arm...
If they can prove that no one actually did that... lawyers hay-day...
Not buying that one at all... sounds like maybe young Austin picked up a round from somewhere (maybe when they brought the Savage home?)... did something REAL STUPID and Dad's covering for him... Austin fiddles with arm while Dad's driving, "he put his hand in there", gun goes BANG, Dad gets shot, car goes into pond, no empty BRASS found??? (I'd probably get rid of it too)
If Dicks Sporting Goods Insurance Carrier can prove that... lawyers hay-day...
But I'm just the suspiscious type...
Adios
El Tejon,
You're right, I have no proof he ever thought anything more about firearms then he woke up one morning and decided he had to have a .17 caliber varmint rifle.
Of course at some age we have to assume that a reasonable man would know that he didn't leave the womb ready to teach weapons handling to Pat Rogers.....Well thinking about it, we are talking about an American male.....You're right there are too many who don't know any better at 50. This is a good argument for mandatory firearms safety to be taught in the public schools.
Jeff
You're right, I have no proof he ever thought anything more about firearms then he woke up one morning and decided he had to have a .17 caliber varmint rifle.
Of course at some age we have to assume that a reasonable man would know that he didn't leave the womb ready to teach weapons handling to Pat Rogers.....Well thinking about it, we are talking about an American male.....You're right there are too many who don't know any better at 50. This is a good argument for mandatory firearms safety to be taught in the public schools.
Jeff
HABU
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Touche!
Indeed. Unfortunately, the po-po are too busy "solving crimes".
MT was a deserter?
Jr. gets no slack on THR, and rightfully so.
TheOtherOne
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I have. He just copied the number onto the yellow form from the sticker on the box. He at least opened it to make sure the gun was in there, but didn't check the number on it. I checked it with the number on the box once I got home, hoping I had struck paydirt and got me an unregistered firearm... but no luck, it matched.
larry_minn
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Kid prob was never educated. Out here Firearms safety instruction comes before you reach 14. I kinda doubt the story.
That said there are lots of ways the gun could have been loaded. I have been to gun shows and dealer talks about a UNLOADED gun that they checked in Morning when they set up table being found loaded at noon.
I actually had a unregistered gun for a while. Seems the sales person forgot to write down serial number when he exchanged it for one that had pre ban parts with it. (AR that I bought as parts gun) He traded me for one put together for my trouble.
That said there are lots of ways the gun could have been loaded. I have been to gun shows and dealer talks about a UNLOADED gun that they checked in Morning when they set up table being found loaded at noon.
I actually had a unregistered gun for a while. Seems the sales person forgot to write down serial number when he exchanged it for one that had pre ban parts with it. (AR that I bought as parts gun) He traded me for one put together for my trouble.
spacemanspiff
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bad rifle!!!! was probably upset that he wasnt the first choice. the rivalry between Marlin and Savage rages on.....
son of a gun
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Imagine if some anti gunners went to the guns and tried to sneak rounds in the chambers.
As Majic has pointed out the only way to explain the lack of an empty casing is if someone worked the bolt on the rifle and tossed the casing. If you beleive the story as told junior would have had to perfom this operation as the vehicle was carreening into a lake. And then he would have to have decided to dispose of the casing for some reason. Im finding this very difficult to believe. And i have always mantained that when there is ONE obvious lie in a story there are plenty of other not-so obvious lies keeping it company. I dont know what happened here but, i bet it has very little to do with the account as it appears.
greyhound
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Anyone else get a laugh out of how "he put his hand in there" and the rifle went off?
I've never heard pulling the trigger described as "he put his hand in there"!
I've never heard pulling the trigger described as "he put his hand in there"!
BluesBear
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I too wonder where the cartridge case went.
Why would anyone purchase a rifle they hadn't seen.
In 1966 when I was 11 years old (and still had hair), my favorite barber at my local barber shop went to Woolco Department Store to buy a brand new .22 rifle,
Before the salesman handed him the rifle, he pointed out the the tubular magazine was located in the stock and proceeded to shoot my barber in the thigh, hitting the artery.
My favorite barber got enough money from the settlement to retire at 25.
He had a nasty limp for about a year though.
I think of that every time a salesman hands me a gun.
Why would anyone purchase a rifle they hadn't seen.
In 1966 when I was 11 years old (and still had hair), my favorite barber at my local barber shop went to Woolco Department Store to buy a brand new .22 rifle,
Before the salesman handed him the rifle, he pointed out the the tubular magazine was located in the stock and proceeded to shoot my barber in the thigh, hitting the artery.
My favorite barber got enough money from the settlement to retire at 25.
He had a nasty limp for about a year though.
I think of that every time a salesman hands me a gun.
Hypnogator
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If I were the investigating LE Agency, I'd demand to see the box(es) of ammo purchased with the rifle. One missing? There's your answer.
Another possibility that perhaps should be pointed out -- could an anti have been "looking at" guns in the gun shop and slipped a round into one or more? Such things have been suspected at gun shows.
None of this eliminates the need for basic firearms safety. All previous comments to that effect are right on target.
Another possibility that perhaps should be pointed out -- could an anti have been "looking at" guns in the gun shop and slipped a round into one or more? Such things have been suspected at gun shows.
None of this eliminates the need for basic firearms safety. All previous comments to that effect are right on target.
Ryder
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Update!
According to a link on KABA these two are now facing charges for staging this shooting in an attempt to sue for $$$$$$$$.
According to a link on KABA these two are now facing charges for staging this shooting in an attempt to sue for $$$$$$$$.
BluesBear
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Why does this not surprise me?
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"We have victims alleging a round was in the weapon. -- When you're talking ballistics (tests) -- they couldn't link that specific round to that specific gun. -- There's no way to do that. -- There's no rifling."
I wondered about this. So because the bullet fragmented it is unidentifiable?
P.S., I heard a rumour that firing a weapon in an air-tight vehicle would burst the windows, (maybe youre ears) - is this true?
I wondered about this. So because the bullet fragmented it is unidentifiable?
P.S., I heard a rumour that firing a weapon in an air-tight vehicle would burst the windows, (maybe youre ears) - is this true?
ruger270man
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its obvious what happened.. both the kid and the dad are stupid, k.. the dad gives the kid ammo, he says "hey put the ammo in it, so its all ready for when we get home", and the kid pulls the frickin trigger, and the dads thinking "oh ???? were both gonna get in trouble" so he just tells his son to tell everyone it went off by itself..
guns dont shoot themselves, only exception is a round cooking off in a very hot chamber.
guns dont shoot themselves, only exception is a round cooking off in a very hot chamber.
Fred Fuller
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So, Junior was getting trained after all.
In cheating, lying and scamming, not gun safety.
lpl/nc
In cheating, lying and scamming, not gun safety.
lpl/nc
ID_shooting
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"P.S., I heard a rumour that firing a weapon in an air-tight vehicle would burst the windows, (maybe youre ears) - is this true?"
No, had a friend hit the decocker on a HK before they had the safety recall, boom new hole in floor of Toyota. Brother let a 30-30 rip through the cieling of dad's old wood truck when we were kids, other than a new round sun roof, a real sore butt and a bit of hearing loss in his left ear, nothing.
Not real recomended, but wont blow out the windows.
No, had a friend hit the decocker on a HK before they had the safety recall, boom new hole in floor of Toyota. Brother let a 30-30 rip through the cieling of dad's old wood truck when we were kids, other than a new round sun roof, a real sore butt and a bit of hearing loss in his left ear, nothing.
Not real recomended, but wont blow out the windows.
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