This might be the last decade for the 2nd Amendment

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I'm leaning towards the positive here. Back in the early 90's I thought shooting and the general interest in firearms was dying, but i think the Internet played a huge role in the boom that started in the late 90's. It's still raging now. There are far more gun owners in areas were guns were never a part of the culture. This gives us far more leverage than we had back when the 94 ban hit. I'm not taking this lightly but if we work hard enough we can win this one.

And for your comment about the Dems gaining seats in the Senate, it's not in the cards. Statistically the chances the Dems hold onto the senate is slim to none. A third of the seats are up and two thirds of that third is made up of Dems....very vulnerable Dems. Contrary to what the media has to say about the issue, gun control will be devastating to the Democrats.
 
Sadly, most of the minority voters who voted for Obama and his ilk, did not vote so much for him as they voted for the free phone, fifth generation welfare, unemployment etc. We as 2nd amendment supporters could not supply all the giveaway programs that our tax dollars are stolen for.
 
Third generation ethnic minority here.
Family full of anti's and neutrals who rightly believe that hard work will improve their life. Conversely they wrongly believe .gov with protect them. Yet all three generation have fought this countries wars in WW1, WW2, Korea, Viet Nam Desert Storm, and OIF.
Hard to understand that mindset, let alone argue with them.
But I keep trying. Finally got my 60 yr old younger brother to buy his first gun since leaving the Army in 72
 
Sorry, you're wrong too. You need to check national statistics. Not all minorities are enemies of guns, but the vast majority repeatedly vote for gun grabbers. And, just because you lived in california doesn't mean you've interacted with all members of minorities. You interacted with some, but can't make a blanket observation. You need to look at national stats re these people.
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Listen friend, google "Orange, NJ". That's where I grew up. It's something like 90% black. Then google "Indio, CA", because that's where I've lived the last 15 years. I believe it's 50% Hispanic....and recent Hispanic, I may add. I've interacted with more "members of minorities" by the time I was 5 than most have in their entire lives. If we stick to this "minorities will only vote for leftists" garbage, then we're doomed. Hispanics are the most conservative people I know. And they love their freakin' guns. If you were in my neighborhood this past New Years Eve you would have thought you were in Beirut! They have a tradition of going outside at the stroke of midnight and firing off there firearms. It was like the Battle of the Bulge!

Romney is a nice guy. But he got out flim-flammed. One thing I give Team Obama is that they know how to win. That's our problem. You may not like him, but he's a freakin' winner. This past election was razor thin (when you figure in fraud that went the Dems way). Had a guy like Reagan been on the ticket, the Repubs would have the white house right now. But before I get too far of course, you need to re-think what I said: guns are cultural and it's very difficult to attack a cultural core without suffering hard. The dems know this!
 
This may be a bit snarky, but the minority folks that I come in contact with and have a discussion about firearms and ownership... the 2A. For the most part they are totally un-informed as to the purpose of the 2A. A good percentage have not even finished high school. What do you expect?

Second, a common belief and statement is that they will get their guns anyway regardless of any law, hence they don't really care about new laws. A lot of these people live their whole lives doing technically illegal things and that won't change with any big changes in gun control laws in the USA. The majority of these people seldom even watch the news and then only at a local level (because it affects "the folks"). They will not even be aware of any changes in the law until a policeman tells them or one of their friends provides them with mostly incorrect information. Sorry if my generalizations hurt any feelings or stepped on any toes.

That is precisely what happens in Chicago and violence within the minority community. The laws make no difference. Do you actually think many of these people would participate in a national registry? Hence, gun control laws are simply about controlling "honest folks" who try to abide by the letter of the law as best they can. The only way to get the guns is house to house searches and that won't work either. They will claim racial discrimination and probably will be right.
 
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And the current estimate of women shooters went up in the last year... from (not 100% sure of exact numbers) 3.x million to around 5 million.

I'm also new here and I'd guess being female still makes me a "minority" in the political sense, at least. It has occurred to me, that instead of keeping Congress focused on gun laws... we should be changing the subject and demanding a budget (4 years w/o one isn't healthy for any country)... improvements to our roads & bridges... better schools... government bureaucracy streamlining & reform... fiscal responsibility...

I'm tired of letting the .gov control the conversation and deflect people's attention away from how irresponsible those governing, really are. I'm tired of playing their game - letting "outrage" and "disbelief" - position me squarely in their trap... making me a perfect target & example for even more propaganda. We the people, need to demand answers and accountability... not play victim over our 2nd Amendment rights and assume it's all over except for the signing of the bill.

They CAN'T do this... unless we permit it.
 
I'm leaning towards the positive here
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Agreed! Our Second Amendment rights have never been stronger! We just had a series of favorable Supreme Court decisions that we would have never been able to nail down in the conservative 80's! How many households owned an AR in '85? In '95? There are more proud owners of firearms now than ever. If we get some ban, it will be a watered down version of the '94 ban, enacted with the help of a few Repubs just to fool the public that the vast grouping of self-concerns idiots in Washington are actually doing something. No one is taking away our guns, as long as we stay vigilant!
 
sharpshooter74 said:
The political landscape does not bode so well for the 2nd Amendment.
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Unfortunately, the only thing I think you're wrong about in your entire post is the timing. I'm afraid this will happen much sooner than any of us can imagine. They're relying on that speed to get this done.
 
If we stick to this "minorities will only vote for leftists"
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I did not say that and you need to learn to read more carefully. I contend the vast majority of minorities vote for communists.

A word of advice. You need to tone down your rhetoric, "I've known more minorities..." There are tens of millions of minorities in America. For you to suggest you've interacted with enough of these to formulate an opinion is silly.

Here's the first article that popped up when I googled, "minorities voted obama."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Record-number-Hispanic-voters-head-polls.html

Hispanics.......Of these, 71 per cent voted for Obama

A record number of Asian voters.....with nearly three-quarters backing Obama.

He also won a staggering 93 per cent of African-American votes.
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I repeat, the vast majority of minorities vote for the commies.
 
If we all believe our efforts to save RKBA will fail, then they will fail. The surest path to failure has always been resignation.

Believing we can win doesn't guarantee that we can, but believing we can't guarantees we can't.
 
A moderate-leftist buddy just bought his first pistol (thank you Dems. for demonizing guns and thus helping us increase our ranks). So we went out to the range together and had a nice discussion. His wife is excited and now wants one of her own.

This is what we all should to trying to accomplish. Bringing others into the gun culture, regardless of skin color or political leanings. These people will connect the dots eventually.

I understand the premise of the original post and it very well may be true, but just keep in mind that minorities from Texas are a hell of a lot more conservative than minorities from New York. What many seem to be forgetting is that a huge number of registered Democrats own firearms. People typically vote Democrat because they believe (thanks to the media) that Dems. are for "the little guy". These people will vote Democrat but still go hunting or to the range. Again, I think eventually they will figure things out and also keep in mind there are some very nervous pro-gun Democrats right now in Washington. They know if they vote for more gun-control then they likely will not be reelected.
 
As fellow minority, I'm offended by the OP's post. Not a big deal, just don't think non-whites can reasonably be categorized as being mostly anti 2A. It's like saying most non-whites are idiots. Not cool.
 
Regardless of what the President, VP, and supporters of strigent gun control laws, I doubt that much will happen for months (but it is possible that this could be wrong with proper pressure applied). I hope that Boehner refuses to even bring the bill up for House consideration. He needs to take a lesson from dirty Harry in the Senate.
 
just don't think non-whites can reasonably be categorized as being mostly anti 2A
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Can you agree that (the vast majority of) non-whites typically vote for antis?
 
The future is never written until it becomes the present.

Do the rest of us a favor who feel no matter the odds against or difficult the battle we will never quit till the last man is standing, go away. You are dead weight on our backs.

Now you can take this two ways.

Whine and cry like much of the last few generations that your being picked on, or get up and remember the colonial troops in dead of winter with little clothing , shoes or food continued on against unsurmountable odds and wipped the British to give us the opportunity to enjoy our rights and freedoms and the warnings that went along with it to keep them.

The fight isn't over till the last Patriot is dead.
 
Diane, Nancy, Barack, Harry, Joe, Hillery............"The Freak Show".......this is who's gonna tell us how we and our families are to live ?
 
I don't see how even bringing race into the question is productive for us. The categorization of voters and politics by race belongs, at best, exclusively on the leftist anti-gun side of the argument, since it benefits them.

It does not benefit us. I submit that it falls to us to treat people simply as individuals, since the other side refuses to do so.
 
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I did not say that and you need to learn to read more carefully. I contend the vast majority of minorities vote for communists.

A word of advice. You need to tone down your rhetoric, "I've known more minorities..." There are tens of millions of minorities in America. For you to suggest you've interacted with enough of these to formulate an opinion is silly.

Here's the first article that popped up when I googled, "minorities voted obama."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Record-number-Hispanic-voters-head-polls.html



I repeat, the vast majority of minorities vote for the commies.
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Voted, as in past tense, in the most recent election. This isn't something set in stone for all of eternity.

Not all Hispanics think the same. Mexicans think differently than Puerto Ricans, who think differently than Cubans, etc. Rural blacks (and whites) have different perspectives than urban blacks and whites. If we all sit around and feel sorry for ourselves, then nothing will change. Dismissive attitudes such as "all blacks will do this or that" will do nothing to support our cause and protect our rights.
 
I an a mutt, many of us are. Canadian Indian , French, Irish, Polish, Italian, German and who knows.
My Sicilician Grandfather would not teach the kids Italian. You are American speak English.
We are all in this mess together.
The elite believe removing the gubns from the "masses aka peasants" will make them more controlable.
Actually they are not anti gun. They just think the chosen few should heve them.
Rosie Odonald has her body guards armed. Feinstein has referenced her gun in the long ago past. SSSSSHHHH we are supposed to froget this.
We all know that safety is a buzz word as well as the mis used term assault weapon. which is a selective fire intermediate military arm. Not a look alike as we once called it.
We need to begin using the proper terms also or we are also a part of the problen of mis information.

http://www.waragainsttheweak.com/

We are not saints in history. Check the above site.

Our fore fathers were no slackers. They knew the evil and power hungry would attempt th subvert the Constitution. This is why we have the Second Amendment to ba a check and balance.


http://constitutionus.com/

PS
Unfortunately the right wing ultras alienated much of the labor market by deamonizing the unions. There are millions of union members who voted their pockets in fear of loosing workers rights. This was a deversion which was not needed at all. It seems both parties have their buzz words and own agenda.
The guy in the middle has to agonize on the issues since we have no longer a middle of the road.
I walk the line right down the center and hope someday a third party will arise with some clout.
The confusion of the end times is in Revelations and sure is here.
 
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KTXdm9 said:
Voted, as in past tense, in the most recent election. This isn't something set in stone for all of eternity.

Not all Hispanics think the same. Mexicans think differently than Puerto Ricans, who think differently than Cubans, etc. Rural blacks (and whites) have different perspectives than urban blacks and whites. If we all sit around and feel sorry for ourselves, then nothing will change. Dismissive attitudes such as "all blacks will do this or that" will do nothing to support our cause and protect our rights.
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It's not just the last election. It's odd to me that everyone's favorite punching bag (Bush 43) did better with the Hispanic vote than anyone else.

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I have often advocated that the NRA make a public announcement during previous attacks on the 2nd amendment that they are conceding, and will support a gun ban only if is a COMPLETE gun ban. All guns: including shotguns, single shots, air guns, blank guns, toy guns, blackpowder, etc. Maybe even throw in a clause that the police keep their guns locked at the police department (like England used to do, when the Bobbies went unarmed). This will, at last, and unilaterally, tick off EVERY gun owner, and finally drive them to support each other. Maybe even the cops would get on board, although the police have come to believe that they are a different class of citizen (thanks much to Congress putting them above the citizen with regards to being armed, with "privileged" recognition for CCW, etc). It it must come, let's get everyone's head in the right place, right quick.
 
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