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This might be the last decade for the 2nd Amendment

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by sharpshooter74, Jan 5, 2013.

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  1. txgunsuscg

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    I have a black friend at work and my white brother-in-law, both borderline raging liberals, and both documented Obama voters. I don't agree with either of them on anything political other than guns. Both of them fully support the 2nd Amendment just as much as I do, so I disagree with totally lumping liberals, or minorities, into the anti-gun camp unless they have demonstrated such a tendency.
     
  2. Sol

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    The OP is right for the wrong reason. It will be another 2 decades (max) of 2A. It's not the blacks, Hispanics, Asians or Arabs that will vote down the 2A it's our children that will. This countries core beliefs and freedoms will get killed by our future generations. Years of indoctrination school and television tend to wear on ones psyche. a
    After all of our children are grown and have the power vote, they will vote for whatever law to create the "utopia" promised to them by their teachers, government, musicians, actors and peers.
     
  3. SharpsDressedMan

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    ^^^^Sad, but true. That is why things have to get drastic right now. Either we force the fight into a total one now, or get eaten away incrementally by what Sol has described above.
     
  4. Alaska444

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    +1, despite what we taught them as parents, these kids have been brain washed by the system. They DO NOT understand what true freedom really is. Yes, it will be our kids in the upcoming generation. They already helped elect Obama twice.
     
  5. JohnBT

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    I could have beaten Romney. Anybody could have. Romney? C'mon. And they ran a bad campaign.

    Meanwhile, the 2nd Amendment will survive...

    ...if people don't throw in the towel and quit.

    It was like that leading up to the GCA of '68, and so on through every attack on the 2nd ever since.

    I forget that everyone hasn't been through this multiple times.

    John
     
  6. Claymore1500

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    Truer words have never been spoken, The quickest way to lose any fight is to give up and let the beating continue.

    Those who fear registration, take a lesson from our northern neighbors. didn't they just defeat a reg. scheme by pretty much ignoring it?
     
  7. Alaska444

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    Even though I am pessimistic about our long term gun rights, who said anything about giving up? The reality is that there is a huge generation gap becoming evident even though my generation did try to education our kids on the good old fashioned values. i taught them to shoot pellet guns then went to 20 ga shotguns. I taught them to drive in the deserts when they were only 12 or 13 just like my dad did for me.

    Yet, they are different with much different values. No, they don't appreciate what freedom is nor what it costs and I doubt that they will be willing to pay that price as the generations before us have. Just my opinion, but if I had given up, I would not have got my own concealed carry a back in 2010. No fight on, but don't put blinders on either.
     
  8. Alaska444

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    Duplicate
     
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  9. joeschmoe

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    No.
     
  10. FrankieJames7

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    dude, it's time to forget other places, this country, europe, and almost everywhere else is screwed, worry about Alaska, after all, you are an Alaskan...right?
     
  11. FrankieJames7

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    go anywhere, and i mean anywhere on the internet, im sure you will find something special somewhere :banghead:
     
  12. Alaska444

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    Thank you, but I live in Northern Idaho now, but I grew up in Moose Pass, Rabbit Creek and Nome.

    If we fall in the lower 48, Alaska will go with it as well. We are ALL in this mess together.
     
  13. Alaska444

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    Alaska isn't really subject to all of the liberal influences that the rest of us are. You are still the last frontier. Come down to the lower 48 and it is a different world unfortunately.
     
  14. FrankieJames7

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    I thought you were an Alaskan yourself??? oh well
     
  15. Jim NE

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    I've never understood why Europe has been so pro government when they've suffered like no other continent at the hands of government - Mussolini, Franco, Robespierre, Napoleon, Hitler, half a century of Soviet rule under murderers like Stalin and Lenin, degenerate emperors like Nero and Caligula and an almost endless list of absolute monarchs (some worse than others, a few very good) and petty tyrants that goes back fifteen hundred years.

    They put their trust in that which has, in it's worst incarnation, killed them by the tens of millions. We CAN'T have the spirit of self governance through individual liberty die in the US. We're the last hope.
     
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  16. kwguy

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    Europe has NEVER gotten it right. Throughout history, it's been monarchs and what-not, and look where they are now. We ARE the last, only hope. We in the U.S. were able to make that "clean break" and start fresh during our revolution. Europe never really was able to do that.
     
  17. SigSour

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    Christ what am I reading? I really hope the discussion doesn't turn into some kind of "witchhunt" - "blacks voted for Obama! so they're not going to help us"

    I actually thought we were starting to get ahead of this (for the record, I'm a "minority", born/raised in Harlem, NY moved out west three years ago)

    Why are we discussing "95% of Blacks vote for Obama" angle. And? (I was actually pulling for Dr. Ron Paul and was very disappointed) Anyways, as for the politics of it all:

    "So on the one hand, black voters say Obama's race makes no difference to them, and on the other hand, about 9 out of 10 blacks say they will vote for Obama. But the high percentage of the black vote going to Obama is not unusual. Gallup polling estimated that John Kerry received 93% of the black vote in 2004, and Al Gore received 95% in 2000. So it may be that black voters are making the (correct) self-observation that they would be voting for the Democratic candidate regardless of his or her race, meaning that Obama's particular race is not a deciding factor for them."


    Source: http://www.gallup.com/poll/107770/most-say-race-will-factor-their-presidential-vote.aspx

    Now, I myself really like Jindal and what he has to say and he said it best when he said: "If We Want People To Like Us, We Have To Like Them First" - done.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...le_to_like_us_we_have_to_like_them_first.html

    It can be said that "minorities" vote for Liberal because to be honest, some republicans are pretty damn scary. Read news online, some of the tea party (yes I know they don't represent all Republicans but they are identified by many as "Republican") interviews are friggin nuts. Outright saying "I won't vote for Obama because I don't want a black man to be president" or "I hate Mexicans because they are dirty stinking animals" {I apologize to any Mexican for writing that, it's BS and I know it, I was just stating what was said} SOURCE - that's hardcore and resonates with people no matter who the media outlet is that airs it. Very hard to attract minorities to a political party if they think THAT is what the party stands for. That make sense?

    - why am I saying this? Because one can't (or shouldn't) go on the attack with the "blacks and minorities usually vote liberal" without first thinking "well, WHY do minorities usually vote liberal?" - goes back to, "If we want people to like us, we have to like them first"

    I guess I said that to say, let's not submarine this 2A fight by pointing fingers and casting blame. We gotta get rid of that, in the end it will do none of us any good.

    Watch that Jindal clip, very interesting.
     
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  18. Alaska444

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    Still in heart, but not in residence my friend. Northern Idaho is as far north as I can get my Pacific Island girl. Just the way it is. I grew up Alaskan and that is still what motivates me and that is why I chose my avatar. I have noted that on many other threads.
     
  19. gunNoob

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    I'm not sure I would turn to violence to defend my gun rights but I definitely wouldn't turn over my guns for any reason.
     
  20. bldsmith

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    I do not see the second amendment going away any time soon. To change add or repeal an amendment requires first a 2/3 majority in the house to propose the action. Then it requires a 2/3 majority vote in each state and 75% of the states must ratify it. Then it goes back to congress and senate for final ratification.

    I do not see the %75 of the states carrying a 2/3rd majority. No way. Even during the toughest times. If they try to weaken it, then SCOTUS should get involved.
     
  21. d2wing

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    Unfortunately several presidents and each branch of government has over time extended it's power and overstepped the constitution. Power begets power.
    Homeland security laws overstep the constitution in ways not possible just a few years ago. Obamacare eliminates first amendment protect for all of us. Much of the constitutions powers have become blurred and compromised so much that they no longer govern our country. Once government gets away with a law being too expediate to strike down or an interpretation to beneficial or popular to do the same, the bricks in the wall fall away. If part of the law is safely ignored all of it is. I agree wit Sol, minorities play a roll but liberalism has taken over our schools and society as a whole. I doubt it will take 10 years.
     
  22. anchorman

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    Not all "leftists" are anti gun. shocking as that may seem. try to imagine something beyond the box you put yourself into.

    Appetite for gun bans amongst the american people is at an all time low. 74% of the population is AGAINST handgun bans. that's a good start. now we need to figure out how to convince people on the fence and otherwise that magazine capacity bans are ill-concieved. Please stop seeing this in the mindset of a right/left dichotomy, and start making friends and teaching friends how to shoot. talk in terms that won't alienate them, even if you think (or know) that you are correct. If a bunch of you guys didn't constantly disparage the "left" in public so much, actually took a moment to talk with people on "the left" you might see that they already are on your side on this issue, or easily swayed. All this talk of leftist idiots and welfare queen despots, does nothing to win people over to the cause of promoting the 2A.
     
  23. jim243

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    Well the Jack A$$e$ have us fighting amoung ourselves. And I can smell the fear. And so can they.

    Tell me how much of the Gross National Product is from firearms? How many jobs will be lost. How many more police officers will be needed if a ban goes into effect? How do they plan on stopping any blackmarket from taking hold of the gun industry just as it did to the booze industry? Where do they plan on getting the army's ammo from if the private market stops buying ammo and there is no war? (yes the troops will be coming home.)

    If hunters no longer shoot deer, who is going to pay for the additional crop damage? Will the cities be safer, NO. Will crime go down, NO. Where will the volunteers for the army come from if firearms are banned. How will we defend our country if invaded with an army of less then 2,000,000 when China has 3.5 Billion available for their army. Will the drug lords in Mexico go away just because the residents of AZ, CO, TX and other border states no longer have guns?

    Solve all these problems and I would gladly turn in my guns, otherwise they can just go and kiss my big fat butt.

    Jim
     
  24. David White

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    "Fear the Government that fears your guns"

    It was true then and it is still true now.
    WE the PEOPLE are that sleeping giant.
    There are so many more of us than you might think. All coming to the same conclusion that this is going to be the last fight for our rights.
    We have more allies in both the military and law enforcement than you think!
    It will be the government that drops the hammer first. How we respond will be a testimony for all the world.
    It seems to me that everyone is "wringing their hands" crying "what can I do against so powerful a foe?".
    Our numbers are in the millions. It will come to pass that once this sleeping giant awakens that it will be a reckoning that will not be forgotten.
    Continue to fight in the ballot boxes but know this, we will be called upon one day to fulfill our oaths to our children. To leave them a better world than was left us.
    Be patient but be ready.
     
  25. kwguy

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    Yeah, liberal vs. conservative politics have no place in this. The reality is, there is a group of politicians that want to usurp the Constitution and take away our 2nd amendment rights. If they get their way, there will be no "liberal vs. conservative" politics, only THEIR fascist existence.
     
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