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This Will Make Your Blood Boil!

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by ATBackPackin, Mar 19, 2013.

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  1. Tom from WNY

    Tom from WNY New Member

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    I would expect nothing less from NJ

    I would expect nothing less from anywhere in NJ. I remember back in the early 1990's when I routinely worked hazmat jobs, driving home in Pemberton Twshp. late one Wed. night from site to hotel. I was not speeding, as I was dead tired, wanted a shower and supper and a warm bed.

    I was pulled over by a NJ Trooper. I had committed the heinous crime of flicking my Pall Mall (I smoked filterless at the time, because they biodegraded. EPA greenery, you know.) butt out the window and was about to be taken down like a felon for littering. On the lower left hand corner of my pickup cap's window was an NRA decal, along with my Rod & Gun club decal/parking pass. The first question from the Trooper was "Got any guns in there, you know the gun laws in New Jersey are different from New York!" (At that time it was quite true. We NY'rs could have pistols with hollowpoints, EBR's with pre-ban mags and no registrations, basically only a excessively bureaucratic handgun license/registry.) I was somewhat stunned by his initial line of questions; usually the first thing is "License and Registration; please."

    After threatening to arrest me for misdemeanor littering the next time he saw me flick a butt, ran my license and plate, and lectured me for a while, I was let go.

    NJ was not a state I returned to or wished to return to after that.
     
  2. Gallstones

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    Without credentials to verify that the woman is who she says she is, we don't know if she is a Social Worker. She could be some anti-gun activist making a play at harrassing somebody and hoping to get damaging information on these parents.
    Desparate but possible.
     
  3. ATBackPackin

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    I would imagine that the LEO's would have verified that she is who she says she is before escorting her to someone's house. I would hope they would anyway.

    My biggest peeve is what does the contents of his safe have to do with the safety of his children? Also I would like some clarification on who was demanding to see the contents of his safe and who said he was being unreasonable.

    I would also like to know what the allegations were to deem this sort of action necessary.

    I won't hold my breath.

    Shawn
     
  4. Ryanxia

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    Hear Hear! Well said.
     
  5. sota

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    more and more this convinces me I need to install security cameras, especially ones at the front door to photograph persons there. it would make it much easier to help identify such persons who attempt abuse of their position.
     
  6. berettaprofessor

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    Thank goodness the kid didn't pose next to a tank or a piece of artillary at a military museum. The father could have been executed. :banghead:
     
  8. RetiredUSNChief

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    Thank you coloradokevin and c1ogden for both your service and your perspectives. They are both enlightening and heartening.


    Life, unfortunately, is full of rude, crude, and socially unacceptable people, some of which are complete...er..."rectal orifiaces". The rectal orifice types are out for confrontation using their positional authority in a way which is flagrantly abusive and totally uncalled for.

    Though such things are unfortunate and some people end up caught up in the consequences, I'm thankful that these types of people are NOT the norm. Though some agencies and such seem to have more than their fair share of them, it seems.


    I just had a Ship's Duty Officer go totally ballistic with me on a routine matter in the shipyard (I'm a retired Chief Petty Officer and I now work as a civilian employee in a government shipyard). Unfortunately for him, he chose both the wrong person to start yelling at and the wrong crowd to start doing it in front of. (His own XO and a high ranking shipyard official witnessed the entire thing.)

    I didn't have a chance to make matters worse by laying into him verbally...his own XO stopped it and, before I knew it, I was dealing with another person who relieved him as Ship's Duty Officer. This is rare...when an officer's chain of command is not willing to stand behind one of their officers and instead takes action to immediately relieve him of his duty, it indicates that they clearly believe he's completely overstepped his bounds.

    Sometimes circumstances actually conspire FOR us when these things happen. But we can better our odds by standing firm on our rights and in doing so with as wide and receptive an audience as we can get at the time. Having dealt with DSS before in my first marriage, I can say that this is especially true of such agencies.
     
  9. Deltaboy

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    Folks now days CPS Acts on every anonymous tip full Bore and truth be Damned.
     
  10. Carl N. Brown

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    I photographed my grandson aiming a 20mm Oerlikon anti-aircraft gun on the deck of the battleship USS Alabama. Glad I didn't post it anywhere.
     
  11. Tomcat47

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    My Son was issued a Lifetime Fishing and Hunting License from my Dad shortly after he was born, I Got Him a Chipmunk for his 4th Christmas. And obviously he was mentored by me and his grandfathers for many years. He is an Avid outdoors man at 24 years old.

    This country has got to get its common sense back! :banghead:

    First Thing I would do is move the Hell out of NJ! But with that said, states like these are the ones that need to work the hardest to remove politicians that promote and endorse such laws against them. ( And they are not even laws!! They Are AGENDAS!)

    I also now see the purpose of FaceBook and it is obviously not Social Media.... More like Social Services and Law enforcement. We are getting very intruded upon and by 2015 there will be obamacare which will remove hippa laws and then we will have that to worry about!
     
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  12. sota

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    new12's online pole question was...
    Should kids be allowed access to guns?
    54% yes, under adult supervision
    24% no, never
    22% depends on the age and maturity of the child

    A and C are the correct answers, and really should be combined. so 76% of people responding are smart, and 24% should be euthanized for brutal stupidity.

    i'm actually surprised by the numbers.

    also yahoo! news article, note the mostly positive responses/posts.
     
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  13. Yo Mama

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    They have to. It sucks, but please read my first post. They are legally at a severe disadvantage and constantly open to lawsuits. You also have mandated reporter laws that force people to report even if they are unsure. In AZ, we have 23 active lawsuits forcing operating proceedures that don't work.

    Want to fix the problem? Start looking at involving yourself in legislation that will help CPS and not hinder them. Workers are scared to death, literally, that if they don't act on any tip that they will end up on the news, in court, fined, even jailed. They have no ability to defend their decisions in the public court of opinion.
     
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  14. ATBackPackin

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    I understand what you are saying, I really do. However there is nothing that anybody could say that would convince me that the reaction to a photograph was not a huge abuse of authority. There are other ways to investigate an allegation other than showing up on your doorstep at 9 PM with four police officers. I'm not upset because they are investigating an allegation, I'm upset with how they chose to investigate. Demanded to see the contents of his safe. Why? If they are in a safe then obviously there is no danger to any children. Then to top it all off, she refuses to show her credentials when asked for them.

    Nobody is saying that Family Services are not needed, but surely you cannot justify these actions. Can you?
     
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  15. 98C5

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    My thoughts:

    ALWAYS carry a cell/smart phone with that has video capability. Any instance where it seems that these LE agency or any other gov agency wants to trample your rights, record it. This anti-gun agenda is being pushed too hard and too far. Stories like these need to be out there so other like-minded, pro-gun people can see what is happening in cities and small towns alike.

    Once you start recording, the liberal media cannot spin it into a "disgruntled neighbor" or a "right-wing extremist". We all must be vigalant and saavy.
     
  16. Shadow 7D

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    Its on NATIONAL MEDIA now, pretty impressive, talked to the PT tech at the VA, was running on a new channel, he basically said, how the hell, and how did it make national news... explained the story, birthday present part of a photo upload, reported to CPS and then the worker and 4 cops came knocking and the dad knew his rights... and how social media picked up on it. He said wow, I said, yeah, over a photo a boy doing everything right...
     
  17. Yo Mama

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    Sure I can :). When the tip was made, the d bag lied. Happens all the time. I'm sure there was more information annonymously provided. CPS specifically asking to see the safe makes me think there was some information centering on access.

    Not showing a badge will get her trouble. No excuse here for that. I also still think it's excessive for 4 Officers to have escorted the worker. If there is that big of a threat they would have used SWAT.
     
  18. ATBackPackin

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    That didn't ask to see the safe. They wanted to see the contents and do an inventory of the safe. Huge difference.

    Even if they decided to go the route they did, as soon as they saw the safe, they should have apologized and closed the case.
     
  19. Yo Mama

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    Either way, we'll never know, unless it was public record. :) That's the best way for this stuff to never happen again.

    My opintion is the case should have been immediately closed, but also that the father has a good case against the State, if he chooses, which I hope he does.
     
  20. Creature

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    That is a ridiculously unnecessary statement.

    The sight of a safe doesn't necessarily mean there are guns locked up inside of it.
     
  21. Tangent

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    The takeaway here (for me, at least) is know the law. Know your rights. This guy remained calm and (apparently) rational. This could have easily gotten out of hand, but it didn't because he was/is well aware of his rights.
    Unfortunately, emotions are ratcheted up right now, and anti-gun people are not thinking logically. They are running with emotion and trying to persecute EVERYONE that deigns to "flaunt" their 2A rights by reporting things that "look" wrong. (I'm sure that's how they see it).
    As a member of the Young Marines when I was ten years old, I was taught to shoot a .22 rifle (I'm 51 now). Being in that organization was a part of my growing up, moving from child to boy to man, and I was encouraged and applauded for it by parents, family and community. I even used to go to church in my uniform. LOL.
    I don't think they have that anymore. They should. How times have changed.
     
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    If the young man was wearing a dress I'm sure they'd have given him a golden tiara instead of trying to destroy that family. just the way it goes I guess
     
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    ^^^^^ Yep. The world has certainly turned upside down, hasn't it?
     
  24. krupparms

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    One if the first lessons I learned as a police officer was NO ONE, even police are above THE law! A few of our officers were smoking pot on duty! Were busted them ourselves & they were prosecuted & kicked out! More police should stand up &do the same! Crime is wrong &the police should arrest the police & any government agent that breaks the law! There are good P.O.s out there! But what good is that if the rest are breaking the law? I know of a case where a man was given 16 months for filming the police from across the parking lot! Be careful if you so that!
     
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  25. 12many

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    My take way is that while bad things happen, what is bad here to me based the article I read is that there will not be any change in operation and CPS. There were defending the lady and saying the usual canned lines about we need to protect children and this is our job.

    The government often acts badly but does not have any consequence or there is not change on their part. I would liked her boss to have said there would be some additional training or we are adjusting our policy.
     
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