Those junk Hi-Point C9 pistols

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by doubleh, Sep 12, 2021.

  1. barnetmill

    barnetmill Member

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2006
    Messages:
    1,164
    You need to understand somethings about materials and gun design. I have not seen your Iver Johnson and I do not know exactly what pot metal was used in it. Hipoints are rated for plus P ammo. And, they are not the equal of a high quality smith and wesson. But the materials as used in their designs result in the guns that will withstand a lot of shooting with 9mm ammo. Throwing a HiPoint very hard against a wall can break the plastic on them. They are not glocks. The barrels are seamless steel that is amply strong for the application at hand.

    Let us google it. Here is one thing and there are many others. There multiple zamak alloys also. Take a look at you car and see how many parts are not magnetic.
    Parts for geared-motor housing

    upload_2021-9-13_23-50-37.png

    I have one in .45; test fired, it worked, and just have not gone back to it. Nothing wrong with it, but I prefer my 1911.
     
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 14, 2021
    mjsdwash and Slamfire like this.
  2. joneb

    joneb Member

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2005
    Messages:
    5,225
    Location:
    Oregon
    I saw a Hi-point today the freaking thing seemed really thick, just how thick are they?
    I don't mean to bash someone on a budget or just looking for a cheap firearm, I've been there myself:)
     
  3. barnetmill

    barnetmill Member

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2006
    Messages:
    1,164
    That is because of the materials and using a straight blowback design using full size military & police pistol calibers. We are saying that they work, not they are the best choice. If they would used a gas retarded or delayed blowback system to slow down the slide, the guns could be thinner. Would raise the price and add a complication to the design.


    Gas-delayed or retarded blowback should not be confused with gas-operation. The bolt is never locked, and so is pushed rearward by the expanding propellant gases, as in other blowback-based designs. However, propellant gases are vented from the barrel into a cylinder with a piston that delays the opening of the slide or bolt for a rifle.
    P7_Gas-DelayBBack.png
     
    Slamfire likes this.
  4. doubleh

    doubleh Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2007
    Messages:
    4,166
    Location:
    NM-south of I-40
    I just posted this to show that a Hi-Point was pretty accurate even when shot by a shaky old geezer. I suppose I should have expected all the fuss because it is a Hi Point and they have a lot of haters. I have one because it was a gift, a freebie, to experiment and play with and I am enjoying doing so. Does it compare to a 1911 in 9 mm, no, a Sig, no, or almost any other make of wonder 9. Why would anyone expect it to at it's price point?

    I'm done with this and will confine my posts to "good" guns from now on.
     
  5. Jimbo80

    Jimbo80 Member

    Joined:
    Oct 26, 2020
    Messages:
    420
    Location:
    Florida
    [QUOTE="Buckeye63,]
    Hi-Points CS is second to none
    [/QUOTE]

    Almost all of the guns in my collection have never needed CS of any kind.
     
  6. Average Joe

    Average Joe Member

    Joined:
    Aug 29, 2005
    Messages:
    1,695
    Location:
    Central Florida
    Not bad guns, it's their mags that give them a bad rap.
     
  7. Monac

    Monac Member

    Joined:
    May 17, 2014
    Messages:
    2,132
    Location:
    Southeast Wisconsin
    No matter what brand you like, someone will say it is junk. People have gotten bad Smith & Wessons and Rugers, and I am sure some people judge Colt on the basis of the Colt 2000. It's like the old song: "You can't please everyone, so you've got to please yourself."

    Thanks for posting the good results you had with a High Point. First hand experience, good or bad, is always useful to know about.
     
  8. Jimfern

    Jimfern Member

    Joined:
    May 23, 2008
    Messages:
    616
    Location:
    North Texas
    I do find their carbines interesting.
     
    RedlegRick and Meeks36 like this.
  9. The Glockodile

    The Glockodile Member

    Joined:
    May 6, 2020
    Messages:
    501
    They work.

    The problem was approached in a simple fashion which doesn't require any fine - tuning or finesse.

    Many have found their homes as "tractor guns," thrown in there with all those rattling tools.

    Once America descends into abject poverty, guess who'll have the last laugh.
     
    C0untZer0 likes this.
  10. barnetmill

    barnetmill Member

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2006
    Messages:
    1,164
    A glock is basically a HiPoint with refinements. The barrels of both are made as cheaply as possible as are the frames. For years I was leery of a glock until I purchased and shot one.
     
    JCooperfan1911 and Monac like this.
  11. tark

    tark Member

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2013
    Messages:
    3,810
    Location:
    atkinson, ill
    Ain't he the guy who works for that aspirin company ?
     
  12. mjsdwash

    mjsdwash Member

    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2011
    Messages:
    2,074
    sure is!
    That actually wasn't the only misspell in my troll impersonation either!
     
  13. The Glockodile

    The Glockodile Member

    Joined:
    May 6, 2020
    Messages:
    501
    lol-trololo.gif

    U trol?
     
  14. Snowdog

    Snowdog Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2002
    Messages:
    4,545
    My only beef with Hi-Points aren't that they don't work, aren't accurate or lack longevity. They aren't any of those things. It's the ridiculous cost of ammunition.
    If ammunition was always $9/50 for 9mm FMJ (it wasn't that long ago that it was) or better yet, someone was supplying all the ammo I could shoot for free, I would be all over the Hi-Point. Before anyone suggests reloading, I've been casting and reloading my own going on two decades now.

    With even the most economical 9mm selling for $25+, I can't get over the thought of putting that kind of money through a Hi-Point unless indeed that's the only pistol I had.
    I suppose my brain goes to some admittedly lame thought such as "ammo's too expensive for a HI-Point" or "Life is too short for a Hi-Point". I'm well aware how little sense this makes, but it's actually the hang-up I suffer from.

    I'm also aware that many Hi-Points have proven themselves as robust as their longevity has seen it through, according to some, thousands of rounds of ammunition and I won't contest that. However, my strange thought-process gravitates to the idea that... he spent quite a bit of dough (worth of ammunition) to feed his Hi-Point. For example, if someone said they had put 2k rounds through his .45acp Hi-Point pistol, I immediately start doing the math nearly subconsciously... at today's prices, he's saying he sent around $1000 worth of ammunition through his $170 "budget" pistol. That's presuming he's using inexpensive Russian FMJ and not the much more expensive brass-cased stuff.

    Again, would this make much sense to the typical gun owner? Likely not, but it's the hang-up I have. On the flip side, I don't have such thoughts when someone says they have a couple thousand rounds through a military surplus that cost him about the same as a Hi-Point. I just try not to think about it. Hi-Point have proven themselves to make perfectly fine firearms backed up by a stellar warranty and customer service.

    No one should be ashamed to own one! It just makes less sense to me in today's (ammunition/reloading component) market unless one does not intend to shoot it much.
     
    Last edited: Sep 22, 2021
  15. FAS1

    FAS1 Member

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2009
    Messages:
    918
    Location:
    San Antonio, TX
    What's not to like about the C-Note C9? It's Money!

    719005259.jpg

    I do know a guy that has one as his under the kitchen sink gun. He says it's pretty reliable and just couldn't resist this one with the 100 dollar bill finish.
     
    Autodidactic, pairof44sp and doubleh like this.
  16. Monac

    Monac Member

    Joined:
    May 17, 2014
    Messages:
    2,132
    Location:
    Southeast Wisconsin
    I was going to ask why America was going to descend into abject poverty, but the answer is probably political, and I have resolved not to encourage that kind of thread drift.

    Personally, I have more faith in Americans than to believe any such thing, but it was true for pretty much all of the 1930's, so who am I to say it can't happen again?
     
    barnetmill likes this.
  17. mjsdwash

    mjsdwash Member

    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2011
    Messages:
    2,074
    I cant easily tell them from these at 15'. So it can't just be a style thing if this is a "status gun"

    https://hk-usa.com/hk-models/p2000/
     
  18. barnetmill

    barnetmill Member

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2006
    Messages:
    1,164
    [QUOTE=I deleted because it is off topic
     
    Last edited: Sep 23, 2021
  19. tarosean

    tarosean Member

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2010
    Messages:
    7,505
    Location:
    TX
    the people whom can afford ammunition.. sorry but if your gun cost less than a box of ammo or two your kind of screwed.

    (yes using the inflated ammo costs of late)
     
  20. Monac

    Monac Member

    Joined:
    May 17, 2014
    Messages:
    2,132
    Location:
    Southeast Wisconsin
    I deleted my reply because it was off-topic and I'm not going to do that any more if I can help it.
     
    Last edited: Sep 22, 2021
    barnetmill likes this.
  21. FROGO207

    FROGO207 Member

    Joined:
    Dec 7, 2008
    Messages:
    10,906
    Location:
    Mount Desert Island Maine
    Yep butt ugly, utterly reliable, and wicked cheap to own! Whats not to like here guys.:p I have one in each vehicle as my load it, holster it, toss it in the truck/car and forgetaboutit backup plan. That is after after a good long function test period. Will not hurt my feelings if one gets dirty, banged up or otherwise trashed as long as it still functions as needed. Seems they are quite tough to go along with the ugly.:D
     
    The Glockodile and cc-hangfire like this.
  22. CajunBass

    CajunBass Member

    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2005
    Messages:
    6,489
    Location:
    North Chesterfield, Virginia
    I've never thought they (at least the 9mm, C-9) were all that much uglier than any other plastic 9mm. I had one for a time, shot it quite a bit, and it worked just fine. Sold it for more than I paid for it when I got bored with it.
     
  23. tlynch

    tlynch Member

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2008
    Messages:
    82
    Location:
    Central Texas
    Sounds like 1989 or so.
     
  24. Jimfern

    Jimfern Member

    Joined:
    May 23, 2008
    Messages:
    616
    Location:
    North Texas
    If i was going to get one, I would totally get one with a $ wrapper on it!!
     
    pairof44sp and FAS1 like this.
  25. Slamfire

    Slamfire Member

    Joined:
    Dec 29, 2006
    Messages:
    11,410
    Location:
    Alabama
    So what if the pistol is butt ugly, if it goes bang, is affordable, I am OK with that. Maybe on the next Regime change the price on 1911's will drop, maybe not. I am hoping for another four years of Trump as I was able to buy a GI RIA for $400! I recently read a review of a $1250 1911, not everyone wants to spend that sort of money. I also buy Taurus pistols, and they work, and they are "cheap". So call me cheap.

    I am unfamiliar with Zamak so I looked up some web pages.

    Funmark Note: 71.4% of their sales are in automotive.

    Belt buckles are made out of Zamak! And other things.

    ZnC Zamak
     
    barnetmill likes this.
  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice