ZeSpectre
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The only thing I've had the Xmart people say to me is "hrmmm, I'd guess you're over 21". 
Thought I was going to get harrassed or arrested by the cops at Wal-mart today
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M2 Carbine
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I hardly ever buy ammo at Wal Mart but about the time the ammo prices started to rise I bought all the WWB 9mm they had, for $4.38/50.
I offered to leave them a couple boxes for the shelf but they said go ahead and take it all.
The price on their new order was $7.88/50. I don't know what it is now, about $12 I guess.
+1 on the reload your own.
I just loaded 1,500+ 38 Special for $2.00/50 and I'm completing another 1,500 40 S&W for about $2.75/50. Then I'll probably load 3-5 thousand 45ACP at a cost of about $$3.00/50.
(actually lower since I was recently given a keg of powder that will load about 7,000+ rounds )
Even on my old, somewhat slow Dillon press I load over 350 pistol rounds per hour, at a cost that's less than half the cost of factory ammo.
About the original subject.
I stand my ground when a store tries to pull that type of stuff.
I wanted to buy ALL the 22LR CCI ammo a K Mart store had on sale. The manager told he wouldn't sell it to me. I went outside and called the Better Business Bureau. They said thay have to sell me what I want unless there's published limits.
I was going to leave the store some ammo but since they had tried to jerk me around I told them I'll take it all.
I offered to leave them a couple boxes for the shelf but they said go ahead and take it all.
The price on their new order was $7.88/50. I don't know what it is now, about $12 I guess.
+1 on the reload your own.
I just loaded 1,500+ 38 Special for $2.00/50 and I'm completing another 1,500 40 S&W for about $2.75/50. Then I'll probably load 3-5 thousand 45ACP at a cost of about $$3.00/50.
(actually lower since I was recently given a keg of powder that will load about 7,000+ rounds
)Even on my old, somewhat slow Dillon press I load over 350 pistol rounds per hour, at a cost that's less than half the cost of factory ammo.
About the original subject.
I stand my ground when a store tries to pull that type of stuff.
I wanted to buy ALL the 22LR CCI ammo a K Mart store had on sale. The manager told he wouldn't sell it to me. I went outside and called the Better Business Bureau. They said thay have to sell me what I want unless there's published limits.
I was going to leave the store some ammo but since they had tried to jerk me around I told them I'll take it all.
scurtis_34471
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I called mine up recently to ask about buying cases. They told me to call them in advance and they'd be happy to order however much I need.
SSN Vet
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the biggest problem I've ever experienced buying ammunition at Wal-Mart is finding the "associate" with the magic key who can help me.
"Does anybody work here?" (echo....echo...echo...)
"Does anybody work here?" (echo....echo...echo...)
Dravur
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awww, the Wal-Mart bashing is in the air
It must be spring...
Becasue we all know that Mom and Pop stores hired people for a Billion dollars an hour, offered benefits to all and offered the lowest prices possible.....
And no other companies at all buy chinese made goods. None, nope, they all buy american made goods. Why, I went into a JC Penneys the other day and everything was made with US Flags and handspun ktten fur.
The employees at my local Wally world seem happy and content and you can barely see the lobotomy scars. Seriously, Wal-Mart does not chain them to their cash registers. There are help wanted signs all over the place at Mom and Pop stores looking for help. I wonder why the Wal-Mart zombies stay there.... Hmmm, must be some reason.... can't quite put my finger on it.... something about "Best altern... alternat....." hmmm, it is escaping me.
Honestly, we really need to have mandatory econ classes in school.
I buy ammo and other things from Wal-mart. I buy guns and accessories from people on the web and from local gun shops. I will never buy anything from the Gun/Pawn shop here in longmont as I don't relish the thought of being bent over their counters. So, I will buy from whomever gives me the best value for my cash. That may not be the best price, BTW. The most utils for my buck is where I will shop.
For ammo, I dont care where it comes from, it is a commodity. I will buy it in bulk and at the cheap. for guns, and accessories, I will shop my local stores as I want the service, want to be able to handle and fondle and that is worth a few buckages to me.
It must be spring...
Becasue we all know that Mom and Pop stores hired people for a Billion dollars an hour, offered benefits to all and offered the lowest prices possible.....
And no other companies at all buy chinese made goods. None, nope, they all buy american made goods. Why, I went into a JC Penneys the other day and everything was made with US Flags and handspun ktten fur.
The employees at my local Wally world seem happy and content and you can barely see the lobotomy scars. Seriously, Wal-Mart does not chain them to their cash registers. There are help wanted signs all over the place at Mom and Pop stores looking for help. I wonder why the Wal-Mart zombies stay there.... Hmmm, must be some reason.... can't quite put my finger on it.... something about "Best altern... alternat....." hmmm, it is escaping me.
Honestly, we really need to have mandatory econ classes in school.
I buy ammo and other things from Wal-mart. I buy guns and accessories from people on the web and from local gun shops. I will never buy anything from the Gun/Pawn shop here in longmont as I don't relish the thought of being bent over their counters. So, I will buy from whomever gives me the best value for my cash. That may not be the best price, BTW. The most utils for my buck is where I will shop.
For ammo, I dont care where it comes from, it is a commodity. I will buy it in bulk and at the cheap. for guns, and accessories, I will shop my local stores as I want the service, want to be able to handle and fondle and that is worth a few buckages to me.
"Honestly, we really need to have mandatory econ classes in school."
I don't see how that changes things in your local economy. If wal-mart is such a horrible place to work, folks will leave and go to the ma and pa places.
maybe it's the whole job stability, 401k match thing that keeps folks at walmart. Maybe they are bound by the rules and are required to tell a manager before they sell off a hundred boxes of ammo to one guy. Makes sense to me.
If I went to walmart and asked for 100 boxes of anything, I'd imagine some fella would have to mention it to a manager. A kid in a blue smock isn't going to have the rights that a manager does, or at least they shouldn't.
I'm working on my MBA now, my undergrad work was in MIS. I am honestly considering a second job at walmart when they get the one near my home built...and I'd like to think I have a pretty good grasp of economic theory.
I don't see how that changes things in your local economy. If wal-mart is such a horrible place to work, folks will leave and go to the ma and pa places.
maybe it's the whole job stability, 401k match thing that keeps folks at walmart. Maybe they are bound by the rules and are required to tell a manager before they sell off a hundred boxes of ammo to one guy. Makes sense to me.
If I went to walmart and asked for 100 boxes of anything, I'd imagine some fella would have to mention it to a manager. A kid in a blue smock isn't going to have the rights that a manager does, or at least they shouldn't.
I'm working on my MBA now, my undergrad work was in MIS. I am honestly considering a second job at walmart when they get the one near my home built...and I'd like to think I have a pretty good grasp of economic theory.
Walmart is not your local midwayusa. Having worked in retail, it's more important for them to have items on the shelf than not make a sale. Since some people habitually hoard ammo, playstations and etc. They've had to make a policy so one guy can't come in once a month during their delivery dates and buy all the ammo/playstations. You lose customers when you are constantly out of stock. It's better to force people to share.
I know some stores won't sell large quantities of anything to just one person, not just ammo. Milk, soda, whatever. If you ask to clear the shelf they say "no" because they want to be able to sell to anyone that comes in and not just one person.
Personally I think that is equally or maybe even more stupid as if just one person is buying they are for sure getting the money instead of the inventory sitting there waiting for other people to come by.
Personally I think that is equally or maybe even more stupid as if just one person is buying they are for sure getting the money instead of the inventory sitting there waiting for other people to come by.
Working Man
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It goes to having repeat customers. If when a person goes into a certain store
and most of what they want is gone (even if just that day) they will go else ware to get it.
The next store down the street might have what they need and that person is more likely
to return there the next time they are needing something.
Jorg Nysgerrig
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No, it isn't equally or maybe even more stupid. Here's why. Let's take your milk example.
Supermeglomart sells milk for $2 a gallon, which is a mere nickel over wholesale and a quarter less than Megagrocerymart sells it for. Joe Dealshopper comes in and buys all 10 gallons of milk on the shelf and leaves. Supermeglomart obviously has made all they wanted off that milk, because if they wanted more, they would have increased the price, right? No sir. Supermeglomart has found through customer research that 8 of out of 10 grocery shoppers will go to the shop with the lowest price on milk, assuming the milk is in stock. They have also learned that 9 out of 10 people who buy milk buy other things while they are at the store. So, Supermeglomart makes a mere nickel off milk because it knows that when Susie Breadwinner comes in for milk, she's also buying 2 boxes cereal (25 cents profit per box), 3 pounds of hamburger (45 cents profit), and a tasteful shade of red lipstick. (
$1.87 profit.) Bringing her total purchase to $2.87 profit. Repeat this 5 more times and it's clear that even with 4 gallons of milk on the shelf, Supermeglomart has made 22 times as much profit.
However, if Supermeglomart is regularly out of milk, Susie goes off to Megagrocerymart to buy all her groceries since she is so busy with soccer, dance lessons, and sporting clays that she doesn't have time to make two stops to see if Supermeglomart has it in stock.
Sage of Seattle
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While I disagree somewhat with your position on Wal*Mart, Dravur, I'm laughing too hard to actually form coherent sentences...
The last time I shopped for ammunition at a WalMart, the worker had to ask me what a 12 gauge shell was.
At Dunhams, I can purchase all the ammunition I can carry, and that their employees can carry. They are simply happy to have the sales. When I walk in, they smile and say, "Here's our best customer!"
What a difference!
At Dunhams, I can purchase all the ammunition I can carry, and that their employees can carry. They are simply happy to have the sales.
When I walk in, they smile and say, "Here's our best customer!"What a difference!
Sniper X
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Speaking of sheepish stores didn;t Michael (idiot lyer) Moore get KMart to stop selling handgun ammo?
actually...another point about walmart and ammo.
Walmart has federal 12 ga slugs for $2.67 for a box of 5. They must be alotted only 1 box on the shelf, because I've bought about four boxes, one each week, since I got my remington 870.
They're the cheapest, but me buying their single box completely wipes out their stock. The guy at the sporting goods counter told me "We DO NOT have any ammo in the back, all ammunition is kept under this counter and locked." That may or may not apply to the shotgun ammo, but if I worked there I'd take more than one box out to the shelf if it were me. Just makes sense to put as much on the shelf as is possible.
Also, if you look up next time you're at a retailer, you'll see that they usually overstock a lot of items. Walmart's policy on ammo is to keep it locked up though. For some reason, however, shotgun ammo is exempt from this policy...that I just don't get.
Walmart has federal 12 ga slugs for $2.67 for a box of 5. They must be alotted only 1 box on the shelf, because I've bought about four boxes, one each week, since I got my remington 870.
They're the cheapest, but me buying their single box completely wipes out their stock. The guy at the sporting goods counter told me "We DO NOT have any ammo in the back, all ammunition is kept under this counter and locked." That may or may not apply to the shotgun ammo, but if I worked there I'd take more than one box out to the shelf if it were me. Just makes sense to put as much on the shelf as is possible.
Also, if you look up next time you're at a retailer, you'll see that they usually overstock a lot of items. Walmart's policy on ammo is to keep it locked up though. For some reason, however, shotgun ammo is exempt from this policy...that I just don't get.
Dravur
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awww, now that is true...
Wal-mart rarely hires a knowledgeable gun person to run the counter. Here in CO it is different. I know 2 wal-mart counter monkeys who know a TON about guns and they work there part time for extra balogna money.
Here is the other shoe. If you go into Electronics, Captain Pimpleface cannot answer my questions on the pixel resolution of a flat panel monitor.
In the bra department, the woman cannot fit me for a bra. Ok, cheap shot, I am a guy.
But you see the problem. If you are a firearms expert, you do not work for Wal-Mart. No slam on Wal-mart, but if you have real skills in bra fitting, electronics or handguns, you work somewhere else. Wal-mart is great for young people to get the skills so they can move on with life. If your goal is to be a cashier, then Wal-mart has your job.
Also, I admire that Wal-mart hires older folks to be greeters, etc. They provide employment to people who simply have no other choice and that is commendable. These people may not be employable otherwise. And yes, I know that Wal-mart is blasted for "Not paying a living wage" etc. There is a clearing price point for every job and they pay competitiive just like everyone else.
Wal-mart rarely hires a knowledgeable gun person to run the counter. Here in CO it is different. I know 2 wal-mart counter monkeys who know a TON about guns and they work there part time for extra balogna money.
Here is the other shoe. If you go into Electronics, Captain Pimpleface cannot answer my questions on the pixel resolution of a flat panel monitor.
In the bra department, the woman cannot fit me for a bra. Ok, cheap shot, I am a guy.
But you see the problem. If you are a firearms expert, you do not work for Wal-Mart. No slam on Wal-mart, but if you have real skills in bra fitting, electronics or handguns, you work somewhere else. Wal-mart is great for young people to get the skills so they can move on with life. If your goal is to be a cashier, then Wal-mart has your job.
Also, I admire that Wal-mart hires older folks to be greeters, etc. They provide employment to people who simply have no other choice and that is commendable. These people may not be employable otherwise. And yes, I know that Wal-mart is blasted for "Not paying a living wage" etc. There is a clearing price point for every job and they pay competitiive just like everyone else.
Dravur
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Quick review of Wal-Mart's Inventory schema
Wal-Mart uses a JIT computerized Inventory system. This means that based on prior sales and trends, they keep a quantity on hand to meet the demands. When this quantity drops below a certain level, the system automatically orders more and the automagic processing system finds the prioduct at the local warehouse and sends it to shipping, the magic trucks come rolling by with an exact shipment designed for that store.
It's like the Oompah Loompahs work for Wal-Mart. The warehouses work the same way, having X number of days worth of product on the floor and a direct batline into all thier producers. The producers are sitting on a mound of their product just waiting for that call from Wal-mart so they can take the vacation in Hawaii.
It does seem odd that their reorder level for slugs is 1 box. Especially in the light of, they keep selling said box. It should be popping red flags all over that the inventory level should be raised.
Also, on sale items, alot of stores will limit the number to allow multiple people to get the "Good" deal and to make the most people happy. Alot of stores do this.
Wal-Mart uses a JIT computerized Inventory system. This means that based on prior sales and trends, they keep a quantity on hand to meet the demands. When this quantity drops below a certain level, the system automatically orders more and the automagic processing system finds the prioduct at the local warehouse and sends it to shipping, the magic trucks come rolling by with an exact shipment designed for that store.
It's like the Oompah Loompahs work for Wal-Mart. The warehouses work the same way, having X number of days worth of product on the floor and a direct batline into all thier producers. The producers are sitting on a mound of their product just waiting for that call from Wal-mart so they can take the vacation in Hawaii.
It does seem odd that their reorder level for slugs is 1 box. Especially in the light of, they keep selling said box. It should be popping red flags all over that the inventory level should be raised.
Also, on sale items, alot of stores will limit the number to allow multiple people to get the "Good" deal and to make the most people happy. Alot of stores do this.
ArfinGreebly
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Phone Call
After reading through "yet another Wal*Mart thread" I figured I might as well actually do something.
So I called them -- see report here -- and my follow-up letter will say essentially the same thing.
I want gun counters in superstores. I don't care if all they sell is .22 rifles.
I want firearms in stores to be commonplace and unremarkable.
I invite all of you to call and write to their corporate phone bank (800-WAL-MART, that's 800-925-6278) and tell them you want them to either bring back the guns or expand what they carry.
I'm sure if the call/letter count is only a few or a dozen they'll blow it off.
I wonder what hundreds of calls and letters would do?
Yes, I understand the place is in the hands of soulless MBAs.
Give them a reason to rethink their position.
After reading through "yet another Wal*Mart thread" I figured I might as well actually do something.
So I called them -- see report here -- and my follow-up letter will say essentially the same thing.
I want gun counters in superstores. I don't care if all they sell is .22 rifles.
I want firearms in stores to be commonplace and unremarkable.
I invite all of you to call and write to their corporate phone bank (800-WAL-MART, that's 800-925-6278) and tell them you want them to either bring back the guns or expand what they carry.
I'm sure if the call/letter count is only a few or a dozen they'll blow it off.
I wonder what hundreds of calls and letters would do?
Yes, I understand the place is in the hands of soulless MBAs.
Give them a reason to rethink their position.
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HeedJSU
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I shop at walmart because I cant afford to order in bulk, and midway RIPS ME A NEW ONE on shipping. they routinely have the best prices on anything I want, until I look at the shipping costs. The cheapest price my local gunstore has on .40 S&W is 13.99 for Remington UMC (50 pack) I can get a 100 pack of WWB for 19.95. Same thing from midway (WWB) is 37 bucks.
Wal-mart has my dollar for now.
(Anyone have any lee carbide dies for .40 they need to get rid of? )
Justin
Wal-mart has my dollar for now.
(Anyone have any lee carbide dies for .40 they need to get rid of?
)Justin
Legion1776
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Do it and don't look back.
Powderman
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$1K for ammo?!
Here's what one thousand will buy you:
A Dillon XL650, complete with case feeder and all four shellplates;
About three or four complete caliber conversion kits of your choice;
Spare tool heads and stands to set the conversions up in;
A good quality scale;
A kinetic bullet puller and:
A good case tumbler with walnut and corn cob media.
Add to that about two or three good reloading references and you're ready to go. I would also probably spring for a good used single stage press (if you shoot magnum length cartridges but not that often, this will come in handy) to help you get into the swing of things.
You will get all kinds of advice on dies, but I have never gone wrong with good old Lee dies. Most of my dies are Lee; I don't have to worry about a small based sizer for .223 and .30-06, the Lee dies do an excellent job there. And, for ANY ammunition loaded for semiautomatic rifles, the Lee Factory Crimp Die is an ABSOLUTE necessity.
As for case life, I have roughly 3000 pieces of .45 ACP brass. I have been loading the SAME brass now for over ten years! I routinely toss cases if they crack or split--other than that, I have had ZERO problems. Get good cases to start with--Starline makes the best new cases, IMHO--also, brass cases seem to last longer than nickeled ones.
One thing any reloader worth their salt will tell you: Avoid AMERC marked brass like the plague. The only good AMERC case is an AMERC case crushed and put in the scrap pile.
One other thing, reloading is addictive. Once you turn out a bunch of bright, shiny, look-like-new reloads, you probably will buy very little store brought ammo again.
Here's what one thousand will buy you:
A Dillon XL650, complete with case feeder and all four shellplates;
About three or four complete caliber conversion kits of your choice;
Spare tool heads and stands to set the conversions up in;
A good quality scale;
A kinetic bullet puller and:
A good case tumbler with walnut and corn cob media.
Add to that about two or three good reloading references and you're ready to go. I would also probably spring for a good used single stage press (if you shoot magnum length cartridges but not that often, this will come in handy) to help you get into the swing of things.
You will get all kinds of advice on dies, but I have never gone wrong with good old Lee dies. Most of my dies are Lee; I don't have to worry about a small based sizer for .223 and .30-06, the Lee dies do an excellent job there. And, for ANY ammunition loaded for semiautomatic rifles, the Lee Factory Crimp Die is an ABSOLUTE necessity.
As for case life, I have roughly 3000 pieces of .45 ACP brass. I have been loading the SAME brass now for over ten years! I routinely toss cases if they crack or split--other than that, I have had ZERO problems. Get good cases to start with--Starline makes the best new cases, IMHO--also, brass cases seem to last longer than nickeled ones.
One thing any reloader worth their salt will tell you: Avoid AMERC marked brass like the plague. The only good AMERC case is an AMERC case crushed and put in the scrap pile.
One other thing, reloading is addictive. Once you turn out a bunch of bright, shiny, look-like-new reloads, you probably will buy very little store brought ammo again.
Just a question for you other folks who live around Wal-Marts that still sell ammo; do they keep ALL ammo behind locked cabnets? I'm just wondering, because the only ammo they keep locked up is pistol at the Wal-Mart here.
On the stocking up part...I wish I knew who around here keeps buying up all the 200 rnd boxes of .223 varmint before I can get some... I work at this Wal-Mart on my days off (Military) and I see when they get a shipment in, but I always seem to be too late to get some...one day they have 10 or so boxes of the value pack .223 and the next its all gone.
On the stocking up part...I wish I knew who around here keeps buying up all the 200 rnd boxes of .223 varmint before I can get some...
I work at this Wal-Mart on my days off (Military) and I see when they get a shipment in, but I always seem to be too late to get some...one day they have 10 or so boxes of the value pack .223 and the next its all gone.- Status
