Thoughts on 32 H&R Magnum as SD load..

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Here is my 32 H&R Magnum.

Model 431PD.

It's an Airweight (13.5 oz) Chief's Special.

My most frequently carried gun.

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Well no point to them now with the .327 Fed Mag on the market. But for older guns, it beats a sharp stick. I'd still rather have a .38 +P FBI load.
 
Get some buffalo bore ammo for it and carry it if you feel comfortable with it. Recoil will be minimal. Some folks will swear you need a 45 to be safe. I say be comfortable, carry good ammo and practice so you hit with it.
 
Here is my 32 H&R Magnum.

Model 431PD.

It's an Airweight (13.5 oz) Chief's Special.

My most frequently carried gun.
Have been looking for one of those for a couple years now. Never understood why S&W discontinued the 431 and 432 PD and the stainless models 631 and 632. On line vendors were always sold out and my LGS could never order one.
 
Have been looking for one of those for a couple years now. Never understood why S&W discontinued the 431 and 432 PD and the stainless models 631 and 632. On line vendors were always sold out and my LGS could never order one.

well, the 631 & 632 were built back in the "gun of the month" days and were only available for a very short time.
don't know about the 431 & 432 story.....
 
Have been looking for one of those for a couple years now. Never understood why S&W discontinued the 431 and 432 PD and the stainless models 631 and 632. On line vendors were always sold out and my LGS could never order one.

I've only ever seen mine and one other 431PD offered for sale here in California.

They do pop up on on-line auction sites from time to time, but Californians can buy weapons from out of state sources.

I'd like to get my hands on a 332 Ti which is similar, but the hammer-less type, and even lighter.

But I've never seen a single 332 Ti around here.
 
I'm not suggesting that folks do this but the newer S&W 30-1 and 31-1 have cylinders long enough to accommodate the 32 H&R round. They have to be reamed to the proper depth, not more that 1/10 of an inch, but people with more knowledge than me say it is safe. Some old timers say they have loaded the 32 S&W long to perform like the H&R magnum without changing anything. I have an old S&W 30-1 and also an old beat up Colt Detective Special that have been modified to shoot the H&R magnum rounds. Certainly not something you would do to a nicer old revolver but it gave me what I wanted, six rounds in a steel frame. Also have a Ruger LCR in 327 magnum that I carry with the HSM 32 H&R rounds that Palmetto State Armory sells.

Hi Everyone! First time here. Be kind...

I'm an 'old timer' who loaded .32 S&W Long using 1940's data obtained from an old Lyman-Ideal reloader's guide. Most of my personal notes and observations related to this round are written down and are currently in storage (one of the kids having moved into the spare room!) but I feel compelled to add to the conversation, as best I can, with what I have available...

The gun: An H&R M733 .32 S&WL 4"

The bullets: Lee 113gr FN gas check design, cast very hard, loaded sans GC

The Lyman-Ideal suggested load of 4.0gr Unique under the 98gr LRN 'gave' 1050fps.

Using the 113gr Lee bullet, I found

1) 4.9gr SR4756 to be the most accurate, moreso than

2) my 'stand-by' round of 4.3gr Herco

either of which would break 1050fps, the SR4756 load tickling 1100fps. Extraction became difficult with the SR4756 load, and a 'where the hell did I put that hammer handle' thingy when I tried 5.0 grains.

Other bullets I put through my gun were the 100gr .308" Speer 'Plinker'; Speer's 110gr .308" HP (SUPER ACCURATE!); commercially
cast 118GR .32-20 FN and a mess of lead (IMS 95gr) HBWC.

I haven't given the .32 much thought of late, it being the wife's 'bedside gun'; however with a forthcoming move to NV (from CA YAY!) being imminent, I'm giving serious consideration to making it my 'carry' gun, hence my coming here, for the views of others on this caliber, for CCW.

Thanks for listening...

MAGA
 
Hello russkiegunner and welcome to the forum.
I still carry my .32H&R Taurus titanium. I do not live in a large town with gang activity and feel safe with my trusted friend. They didn't make many of the Model 731's in TT.
I think perhaps the only reason for me to swap it out with something else would be if I thought my encounter would be with multiple (2+) bad guys.
 
Hello russkiegunner and welcome to the forum.
I still carry my .32H&R Taurus titanium. I do not live in a large town with gang activity and feel safe with my trusted friend. They didn't make many of the Model 731's in TT.
I think perhaps the only reason for me to swap it out with something else would be if I thought my encounter would be with multiple (2+) bad guys.
Thanks, mnrivrat, for the 'howdy.'
 
32hrm is a bump up from my 32long with handloaded full tilt wadcutters. Its not real scientific but my 32 long will shoot nose to tail on a groundhog and leave a messy exit wound. That was about 15 inches in meat and bone. More power and an expanding bullet would be preferable to my load. 32hrm is one of the rounds I intend to pick up eventually, as is 32naa.
 
I carried my 31-1 Smith and Wesson in 32 long for a year before I got the 431PD H&R magnum I posted about earlier in this thread.

I used the Buffalo Bore 100 Gr hard cast wadcutter as my carry load.

Buffalo Bore says they will penetrate 17-23 inches. BB tends to be more accurate than most ammo manufacturers on their published specs.

I figured that is at least as good as the 38 Special target wadcutters many people carry in their 38s.

With hand loading, you could duplicate (or perhaps better) that load or do something similar with a SWC.

I think you would do just fine -- unless you get attacked by several bad guys at once.

BTW, this 31-1 is the most accurate snub I've ever shot.

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The thing is that 32 caliber allows a smaller gun to still be a six shooter. 32 H&R doesn't have the stunning loud report and pressure wave of the 327 Fed Mag. It is probably what many will choose to shoot from a 327 anyway.
 
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While it's still "enough" for the job, the 32 H&R is a long stretch below the 38spcl for stopping power, regardless of Kinetic Energy numbers and online lore.

I love the 32 H&R, and thoroughly enjoy the 327Fed Mag. Much like the 38spcl & 357mag, in the Rugers, the 32 H&R can be loaded to match pressure of the 327FM, running right up on its heels for velocity too. Great small game hunting cartridge in longer barrels, low recoil, sufficiently potent SD cartridge in snubby revolvers. There's a lot to like about the 32 cal magnums. But they're not equivalent to the 38/357's for stopping power.
 
While it's still "enough" for the job, the 32 H&R is a long stretch below the 38spcl for stopping power, regardless of Kinetic Energy numbers and online lore.

I love the 32 H&R, and thoroughly enjoy the 327Fed Mag. Much like the 38spcl & 357mag, in the Rugers, the 32 H&R can be loaded to match pressure of the 327FM, running right up on its heels for velocity too. Great small game hunting cartridge in longer barrels, low recoil, sufficiently potent SD cartridge in snubby revolvers. There's a lot to like about the 32 cal magnums. But they're not equivalent to the 38/357's for stopping power.

Since you know your stuff really well I wanted to pick your noodle on this.

Is it your opinion that 32 H&R Magnum is sufficient for a self defense cartridge or maybe only minimally sufficient? My unscientific opinion has been that it ought to be somewhere in the realm of a 380 from a pocket pistol. Given that they have similar weights I'm hoping that the 32 will penetrate as well as a 380, but I have very little to base that on.

At any rate, I sometimes carry 32 H&R in 80 grain FTX or 85 grain XTP and have searched far and wide for testing on effectiveness from snub nose barrels. The best I've found is a 32 NAA shooting the 80 grain FTX at about 950 fps and getting adequate penetration. I don't have the means to chrono the FTX from my snub but it seems it should be traveling at around that speed.

No doubt that the 38 is more effective, but any thoughts or opinions on trading a (slightly?) less effective cartridge for the additional round of capacity?

Anyway, thanks for any light you can shed on this. I'm a big fan of this cartridge/gun combo as it's such an easy package to shoot quickly and accurately for myself and my wife.
 
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The thing is that 32 caliber allows a smaller gun to still be a six shooter. 32 H&R doesn't have the stunning loud report and pressure wave of the 327 Fed Mag. It is probably what many will choose to shoot from a 327 anyway.

I agree about the noise, which is why i often switch out my 327 for 32h&r in my lcr when i'm at home. Otherwise, i prefer to carry and shoot 327 as i honestly like the blast and recoil(h&r recoil is much lighter than 327).

As for the original topic, i believe that 32h&r in a pocket sized gun is a better choice than 38spl in some ways. For one, the extra round as mentioned before. And for two, the greater velocity means that a HP round has a better chance to achieve expansion threshold, especially at distance and compared to standard pressure 38spl. One downside, however, is that the available bullet and factory SD ammo diversity is much better for 38spl. To my mind, a longer barrel, 6 shot 38spl +p is better than 32h@r, and a 32h&r is better for a snub.
 
My Thoughts FWIW

Keith brought out the .357 in '35. The .32 Revolver stayed in service until the early 70's, here and there.
There was a reason why the .32 held on so long. It's an inherently accurate round. That, and old folks resist change.
There's a reason why the .358 eventually dominated. The emphasis went from shot placement to shock value.
 
I'm not suggesting that folks do this but the newer S&W 30-1 and 31-1 have cylinders long enough to accommodate the 32 H&R round. They have to be reamed to the proper depth, not more that 1/10 of an inch, but people with more knowledge than me say it is safe. Some old timers say they have loaded the 32 S&W long to perform like the H&R magnum without changing anything. I have an old S&W 30-1 and also an old beat up Colt Detective Special that have been modified to shoot the H&R magnum rounds. Certainly not something you would do to a nicer old revolver but it gave me what I wanted, six rounds in a steel frame. Also have a Ruger LCR in 327 magnum that I carry with the HSM 32 H&R rounds that Palmetto State Armory sells.

I am a real fan of the 32 mag and 32 S&W long rounds. The 327 to me is just too much of a good thing but I sure don't hold it against anyone who owns them and likes them. I also reload for my 32 guns plus I have several bullet molds to cast bullets with.

In 32s I own 2",3" and 4" barreled models 30 & 31. In 32 mag I have a 431PD, one of the rare 631-1 with 4" barrel and two single sixes. Plus a Marlin 1894 in 32 mag. I do load some of the 32 longs a little hotter. Like 95gr lead bullets that get 850fps from a 2" snub. I am guessing that load will get 900fps from the 4" barrel. My 85gr 32 mag loads get 1250fps from a 4" SP-101 I used to own and the same loads get 1305fps from the 5.5" Ruger single six revolvers.

So yes with the newer S&W 32 long revolvers you can load them up. I could go hotter but whats the point? If I need more I have other guns that will do that. I remember hearing about some reaming the chambers on the 32 long guns to take the mag round but I will not do that to my guns. They are worth too much to me. The Ruger single six revolvers are my favorite trail guns. Just like the same gun in 22lr but with a little better round. Cast you own bullets and reload for it and it cheap to shoot.

I have no problems with a 32 mag or a 32 long for that matter as a SD gun. My 431PD spends its life in my nightstand drawer loaded and ready for use. If I hear a noise outside and go to see what it is its the gun that gets dropped in my pocket.

Here is a good read on the 32s. See the last paragraph.

http://www.gunblast.com/WBell_SW32s.htm
 
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Is it your opinion that 32 H&R Magnum is sufficient for a self defense cartridge or maybe only minimally sufficient? My unscientific opinion has been that it ought to be somewhere in the realm of a 380 from a pocket pistol. Given that they have similar weights I'm hoping that the 32 will penetrate as well as a 380, but I have very little to base that on.

In my experience, the 32 H&R will out penetrate the 380, considerably. The 380 has a higher Taylor KO factor, even when both are loaded to the same velocity with the same weight, so many folks will tout the 380 as harder hitting, but I've not personally found it to be as fast of stopper on game. I think the 380 is lacking for velocity to capitalize upon its larger diameter, so its higher TKO numbe actually works against it - a little shallow work isn't as good as a little less deep work. Ballistically, it makes sense that the 32's penetrate deeper and why the Taylor factor is greater for the larger diameter 380 - you're talking about relatively similar velocities with similar bullet weight, but the 32 H&R runs smaller diameter bullet (higher sectional density = greater penetration). Additionally, most of the bullets available in 32cal are built with 1000-1200fps in mind, such they don't open as readily as the more lightly constructed bullets meant for 380acp; again, promoting greater penetration. Run a 380acp into a coyote, things are really unimpressive. Run a 32 H&R into the boiler room, however, the results come to pass much more quickly. Neither are ideal, but "enough is enough." If a guy loads the 32H&R to 327FM pressures, or near to, the gap broadens for it over the 380, as I often say - there's no replacement for displacement, and the 32's house a lot more powder than the 380's.

So clearing the "enough" bar, I just don't spend much time wringing my hands over the "is one extra round better than more horsepower" argument. I prioritize my carry in this manner:

1) Having a firearm is better than not
2) Having a more stopping power is better than less
3) Having more rounds is better than less

Qualifying then follows thusly: I want a package I can carry all day every day. I call it my "Every Damned Day" carry, to emphasize it's not just "every day carry..." I wear a watch every day... Except for when I'm cutting wood, building fence, working cattle, driving on a long trip... "every day" starts to be a lot less than 365days a year... So I carry an LCP EDD - I wish I had an LCP sized pistol which held 30rnds and hit like a 45colt, but such a unicorn doesn't exist. When I carry something larger then, my 2nd priority takes over - I'll carry a 357mag LCR or SP101 over a 22WMR LCR. Following to my 3rd priority, I'll carry a G19 over an SP101... Any of these larger pieces are on top of my EDD - which is enough. If a 32 H&R or 327FM were available as small as the LCP, then I'd default to number 2 and favor the improved penetration of the 327 over the 380, but since the 32's are much larger, the draw of easier concealability gets my pole position. Defaulting to these 3 rules, in their respective orders, I'm more prone to carry a 357mag LCR than a 38spcl, and mor likely to carry the 38spcl than the 327 or 32... But I may carry all of the above and over a dozen others throughout a year.

Guys from either side can pick their cliche' to argue over the other - having an extra round means you have more chances to save your own life when the stress of the situation causes misses... having more power per shot means you don't NEED as many shots to end the situation... having more power means you'll be more prone to miss... having less power means you'll need more shots to stop the bad guy... Both are right, both are wrong...

The 32's really leave the 380acp behind when you start giving them more barrel length in which to work, but that's not so relevant when you're comparing a 327FM or 32 H&R in an SP101 or J-Frame to an LCP/Bodyguard 380acp. I do wish Ruger would make a 5.5" SP101 in 327FM. I don't really enjoy the Single Seven, although I had both barrel lengths, but it does beg for a little more barrel than the 4.2 SP101.

I love the 32's, but admittedly, I do a heck of a lot more hunting with them than I do carrying them for defense. I'd take a 32 H&R coyote hunting over a 38spcl, but a 357mag over the 327fm.
 
Thanks for the link Blkhrt13. I have read it before but didn't remember where I saw it. I Glen Fryxells articles. He has several on the leverguns site.
 
I recall when SW discontinued the 432s and they were dumped so to speak. The gun shows in San Antonio had quite a few for a month or so. I bought one - should have bought two and it is my favorite pocket gun. I also bought a SS 632 3 inch, comp'ed version in 327. A fine six shot J frame.
 
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