Heavy clothed gel. Penetrate and consistently expand; the consistent expansion is where pocket 32 is going to have trouble. I don't disagree with most of that. At BBD (bad breath distance) stopping the threat(s) ASAP would be a priority, desirable to have bullets with greater incapacitation potential. (for me) Lethal but non-cns hits (lungs/heart) will still allow for about 10 seconds of continued voluntary hostile action. Larger holes in attacker(s) are desirable from the perspective of the defender. 9mm HST, Ranger, Golden Saber expands to .60 or more in heavy clothed gel, that is about 2x the diameter of 32 FMJ. A better 9mm HP seems like a good minimum for ASAP incapacitation potential and ASAP is desirable regardless of location, anywhere/everywhere.