THR: Battle Rifle Discussion & Picture Thread

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Here is my latest battle rifle. The painted parts have been drying all week... I just got it all put together today. We will see how she shoots on Saturday.

It started as a basic DPMS Oracle. I installed a Criterion 18.5" lightweight CL barrel with rifle length gas, Troy TRX-308 12" FF handguard, JP adjustable gas block front sight, mil spec buffer tube, ACS-L stock, and MOE+ grip. It's got a Burris TAC30 1-4x in a PA mount, and a KAC 2-600m folding rear sight.

It weighs 8.5 lbs. without the optic, 10 lbs. with.

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Got this one since I posted in this thread the first time, 1938 Kar 98K. Well at least the receiver is marked 1938, it's a Russian capture and none of the other serial #s match any other serial #. I'm pretty sure at least a couple of the parts in this rifle were near a battle in the course of the largest conflict in human history.

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Yes, that's a straight bolt. I'm guessing it's from a Gewehr 98 and maybe was around in WWI. I got lucky too, the rifle was marked down quite a bit because of the straight bolt but all the German markings were intact. The only Russian marking I found was an X on the butt plate.

AIM Surplus got some 8x56R in stock and I found some German marked en bloc clips on teh interwebs, so I'll be able to finally shoot my Hungarian Steyr when I get home.
 
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FG-42, from SMG Guns.


Mine is "almost ready for me to fly to Texas to pick up"...



Willie


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Did someone say Battle Rifles? Yes, please. I finally dragged some of the collection out for a few pictures.

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M95 Steyr

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Yugoslavian M24/47 that picked up an M48 stock somewhere in it's life. Bonus, M57 Tokarev.

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Egyptian Hakim rifle which is based off the Swedish AG-42 Ljungman.

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M91/30 and M44 with a bonus M1895 Nagant revolver.

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The battle rifle or all battle rifles, the M1 Garand with a bonus 1911.
 
Imbel FAL
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Agentine FAL
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Austrian StG-58. One of my favorite FALs
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Another favorite- Para FAL
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I love my FALs but it's American iron that holds a special place in my heart. Every red blooded American should have an M1 Garand
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and an M14
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The M&P-10 is a new comer and not battle tested, but we'll give it a chance to earn it's place
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M-14... w/a 25 round mag no less.

As in Post 129 BTW...
Actually, that's a 30 round mag in the M14. I got the rifle from my father. It came with a gorgeous, custom made, tiger flame walnut stock. I still have the stock but I've got it put away to keep it from getting banged up. It's now in a GI fiberglass stock. Dad had used this rifle to shoot Service Rifle. One day, he took it to the Big Gun Show to sell- he was always buying, selling and trading something. When I'd call Dad on the phone, I always started the conversation by asking "Ok, what did you get this week, and what did you get rid of to get it?" I told Dad he couldn't sell his M14, I wanted it.

He said "You got the money?" Being young, newly married and not long out of the Air Force, I did not. I badgered him to let me make payments. He said he'd let me buy it on payments if it didn't sell at the gunshow. Normally, he'd hand me what he wanted sold, give me a bottom dollar he'd take and how much commision I'd get. I always got the price he wanted and made a good buck or two. I figured he'd hand the rifle to me and all I had to do was carry it around all day and simply not sell it. It was mine!

Instead, Dad told me he was going to have a friend who had a table sell it. When we got there, Dad told his friend how much he wanted for it and his friend assured him, at that price and with it's gorgeous wood, it'd sell fast. With that, Dad wandered off into the crowd. I spent the entire day watching that table. There were soft gun cases on that table and I'd shift them to cover up the M14. Sometimes Dad's friend would see the cases out of place, frown and put them back, but when he'd turn away, I covered the rifle again. If someone wandered over to the table and showed a bit too much interest in the rifle, I'd push my way in, pick it up and pretend to give it close scrutiny and mutter about how this looks odd or that isn't right until they went away.

At the end of the day, Dad came back to see if it had sold. His friend scratched his head bewildered and said no. "It's the darndest thing," he added. Me, I just tried to look as innocent as the cat who just ate the canary can, cased the rifle and personally carried it out to the car- and haven't let go of it since. It's a fine rifle and a damn good shooter, one of my favorites. Come to think of it, almost all my favorites I got from my father.

The FALs I built. The Imbel is an Imbel kit built on an Imbel receiver. The finish is worn from being carried a lot but the barrel is in excellent shape. Doesn't look like it was shot much.

The Argy was a new rifle that was part of a shipment sent to the US right before the ban went into place but arrived too late. Customs held them up until it was agreed the importer could break the rifles into it's main parts. The parts, including barrel, were sold as kits and the receivers sold seperately. The kit is like new and the numbers of the lower, bolt & carrier all match (the Argentines didn't number the barrels) but I'm fairly certain it's the original. I built this kit on an Argy receiver.

The StG started off as a DSA built rifle on a Type II receiver. The kit is Austrian and all the numbers matched except the barrel. I bough the rifle complete and used and due to some rather unusual circumstances, didn't shoot the rifle for awhile. Found out later the chamber of the barrel was damaged so I took a deep breath, and ove into the world of FAL building by breaking down my beautiful FAL into a kit and reciever. I used the Type II receiver to do my first build- the Para FAL. It uses a DSA aluminum lower and a SA barrel that was cut back to 18". It's very accurate for a FAL and that's using milsurp ammo. I adapted a forearm from a PTR-91 to help protect my hands from the barrel heat. An HK rear drum sight was used to get the right elevation with the mish-mash of parts. A Battlecomp BABC keeps the muzzle flat and helps with recoil. The Para is a controlled, soft shooting 308 powerhouse and has proven to be very reliable

I found a barrel and a Type I receiver to rebuild the StG. The difference between the Type I, II and III is in the lightening cuts. The Type I is the lightest, the Type II is more durable for full auto fire and the Type III is heavier and easier to manufacture. (There is also what FAL Filers call the "Type 1.5" which the South Africans used on their R1 but that's a story for another time). The Austrian StG is by far my favorite FAL. With the bipod and carry handle removed and a folding charging handle installed, it's the cleanest looking, lightest and best balanced of the fullsized rifles and the sweetest shooting. With just the flash supressor, it's muzzle rise isn't much more than a FAL equipped with the Belgian muzzle brake and it's very controllable. Recoil is comfortable but not as soft as the Para with the BABC. It too, has proven to be ver reliable. The StG and the Para are the FALs I like shooting the best
 
Mistwolf -- where do you get those 30 round M-14 magazines?? I have a number of 20 rounders and once tried to order a 25 rnd mag but the company didn't have them in stock & returned my $$.
Must REALLY weigh down the M1A to have 30 rounds. ;)
 
Mistwolf -- where do you get those 30 round M-14 magazines?? I have a number of 20 rounders and once tried to order a 25 rnd mag but the company didn't have them in stock & returned my $$.
Must REALLY weigh down the M1A to have 30 rounds. ;)
I don't remember where. I think I got it in the 90s. It does weigh a bit more when fully loaded, but it lightens up quick. I like it, but it looks like a cartoon caricature of itself:).

Every once in awhile, I keep my eyes peeled for 30 round mags and pick them up when the budget allows. I have 30 round mags for the M14, FN-FAL and the HK91. Trouble with them is they can be hit & miss. One of the 30 round FAL mags has proven to be unreliable. I also picked up a 60 round 5.56 Surefire mag for the AR before The Panic and got lucky that it works very well. When I get a chance, I'm gonna get some Magpul 5.56 40 rounders and see how they do
 
Mistwolf -- where do you get those 30 round M-14 magazines?? I have a number of 20 rounders and once tried to order a 25 rnd mag but the company didn't have them in stock & returned my $$.
Must REALLY weigh down the M1A to have 30 rounds. ;)
The largest I see anymore is 25 round magazines for the M1A / M14 rifles. Places like Midway did carry the 30 round at one time but they seem to be a discontinued item everywhere I look for them. Like MistWolf I have one around here somewhere going back to the 90s and don't have a clue why I have it or where I got it. Looks ugly hanging so low out of the rifle. Anyway, per the link Brownell's is showing the 25 round in stock for a price of $35 bucks plus S&H.

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My rifle has seen some minor adjustments since the last time I put the pic here. It has a pre-production prototype rail on, with the bipod module, it is also combat proven with our forces in Afg. With the Sako 3-ring scope mount the S&B sits very low, clearance between the rail and objective cover is only about 1 mm. And it is 7 kg as it is on the pic, unloaded.

Picture is just a cellphone one, when I have a proper photoshoot I will put up new ones.
 

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The largest I see anymore is 25 round magazines for the M1A / M14 rifles. Places like Midway did carry the 30 round at one time but they seem to be a discontinued item everywhere I look for them. Like MistWolf I have one around here somewhere going back to the 90s and don't have a clue why I have it or where I got it. Looks ugly hanging so low out of the rifle. Anyway, per the link Brownell's is showing the 25 round in stock for a price of $35 bucks plus S&H.

Ron

I dunno about Brownell's -- trying to navigate their website is like trying to hold a swim-match in a vat of cold molassas.
Anyhow I just found some at .... *SIGH* .... Cheaper than Dirt and ordered 3 of the 30 rounders. They ARE cheap too -- just under $11.00 apiece. We'll have to see if they're any good.
 
VZ58 by Ohio Ordnance. It is light, accurate, and reliable any any environment. I have an SKS, AR, and AK, but if I'm going to battle this is going with me. I actually haven't shot this one yet but I have shot one I got from czechpoint and it handles and shoots awesome. The one pictured seems to be of better quality than the other one I have. With that being said I haven't had a chance to try the Glock AR15 9mm shotgun that CNN was talking about.

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Here are mine, FN FAL, M1A
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CETME and M1 Garand
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MAS 49, HAKIM, and SVT-40
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FN-49 and MAS 49/56
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FR-8, M-95, K-31 and Enfield No3
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Enfield No 4, M44, Type 99
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M-27, M-91/30 and MAS 36
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M-91/30, M-39, 308 Mauser, Krag carbine, and carcano carbine
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