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THR Remington 1858 Club

Discussion in 'Blackpowder' started by Shoot The Moon, Jan 8, 2011.

  1. ZVP

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    Velocities are higher than I expected! I wonder what mine chronies at with the basic charge of 30 grains of propelant?
    I'd not be able to estimate what you'd get from a cylinder full? You'd need to measure the volume of one. Well one thing for sure it'd be moving! A load I would not attempt just for the sake of safety. I doubt it'd hurt the gun but being a conservative loader, I like to keep the powder in the ranges of best accuracy. One of my Colt Replicas uses only 20gr under a .44 ball for it's best.
    Too bad they have outlawed Handgun Hunting where you live. It's a lot of fun and the best part is you don't have to lug a rifle around all day!
    A buddy uses his Walker on wild Pigs in Southern California. He said it really anchors them where they stand! His average Pig is about 80 pounds. Very tenacious animals with lots of bullet deflecting area on the head.
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  2. mykeal

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    Still only two entries in the postal match so far.

    Let's get out there and make some smoke.
     
  3. dlon21

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    ZVP,

    I poured a chamber full and emptied it into my powder measure. Looks like tad more than 45 grains?

    regards.
     

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  4. hongrn

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    Can I play? I just picked up this 1963 Navy Arms .44 made by Uberti from my local gunshop for a paltry $110. Spent a couple hours re-bluing exposed metal parts, polishing the trigger guard with steel wool, re-finishing the grip with rosewood stain and a light coat of clear finish. The bore condition and timing of the cylinder are excellent.

    Hong

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  5. Berkley

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    I'd say a welcome and congratulations are both in order - you did good!
     
  6. BHP FAN

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    Nice! Is that a Lyman?
     
  7. hongrn

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    Thanks. Here are the inscriptions on top and bottom of the barrel:

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  8. Indian Outlaw

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    I was gonna post something else but lost my train of thought as I was wiping up the drool.

    The early Navy Arms Ubertis are identical to the early Lyman Ubertis. Only the barrel markings are different. That's a really early one.
     
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  9. BHP FAN

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    They were made useing the originals as patterns, brought to Italy by Val Forgett, and imported by his company Navy Arms and Turner Kirkland's Dixie Gunworks.
     
  10. Fingers McGee

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    OK, I guess I can officially join. Here is my 1991 vintage Uberti .36 Cal Remmie. Barrel address is "Primitive Arms Co. - Branson, MO". All proof marks are on the bottom of the frame and barrel. SN and Uberti trademark are on the butt. It has a couple scratches on it, and the grips have shrunk up a little; but it has never been fired - that will change very soon. I probably paid too much for it; but the Branson, MO barrel address is worth it.

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  11. mykeal

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    Very nice indeed. I wonder if Primitive Arms had any connection with the guys that used to have the gun builder's exhibit/shop at Silver Dollar City in the 70's & 80's?
     
  12. Fingers McGee

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    Ya know, I hadn't thought of that. The Gun Builders were still at SDC in 1993 (94?) when we went there. IIRC the Primitive Arms shop was in Downtown Branson at that time.

    This is the third revolver that I've had with a Branson barrel address. The other two were a '51 Navy and an SAA in .45 Colt. Both of them got traded off years ago though.
     
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  14. Indian Outlaw

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    The grip maker botched these grips badly. I spent all day trying to salvage them. Fiebings Leather Dye darkened them nicely, but the guy left major gaps and lots of overhang. The gaps were caused by a convex backside on each panel. Evidently, his sanding skills need some work, as I assume that's when he lost the nice flat backs. The grips will never fit perfectly, but I improved them slightly.

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  15. jnewton2

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    I've got one. I put it in the oven a 500 degrees........ Plenty of you know the rest of the story I,ll work on pictures but it's just a pietta 5 1/2 in. barrel.
     
  16. BHP FAN

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    Ya can't kill 'em!
     
  17. mykeal

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    So far just 2 entries received for the April postal match, but I'm aware of at least one more out there in the vast USPS somewhere. I'll wait for that one to arrive to score and post the results.

    The box is now open for entries in the May match, closing the first business day after Memorial Day.

    Lots of fine looking guns in this club. More of them need to actually be used.
     
  18. Captain*kirk

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    Mykeal, my local BP range just opened May 1, and from all reports, is fairly waterlogged. Expect my target by the end of May, however!:D
     
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    Very good! We'll look for it.
     
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    How do i post a photo on a mac
     
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    There are not one, but TWO stickies in Technical Support on this.

    It doesn't matter what OS you're using.
     
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    Does this qualify?:)
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  23. Dellbert

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    Bad News And Good News

    Good news first. I found a real 1858 New Army .44 cal. The color was plum at one time, but most of it has worn off. On the top of the barrel were it meets the frame is the name of Remington and New York, and the serial # is all I could make out. The man at the shop showed me in his book the same revolvers and it tells how many were made, and how much it's worth going by the serial number group it is in. He has the price set at $1250.00 dollars. You folks don't know how much I want to buy that revolver. The bad news can't aford it now, and the wife would use it on me if I did. :eek:. I rememberd some of the questions you folks have ask a bout the difference between the real Remington, and the ones that Uberti, and Pietta are making. To me it looks like Pietta is right on target. were the barrel meets the cyclinder.You can see where the barrel screws into the frame about 3/4ths of an inch. It's hard for me to tell
    who is the closest to the real revolver, cause I didn't have anything with me to compare with it. As far as I know it looks like there's a little of both in the real revolver. This Remington is in perfect working order. I wouldn't have a problem loading, and shooting this pistol for one second. The action is as if it had just been made. I do wish they would let me take a picture of it to post on here for you to see. Oh well, somebody will grab this up for long. Can't come up with the cash right now. :banghead:` :(
     
  24. Hellgate

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    If that gun shop gun has an almost smooth transition between the barrel and the frame it could be a true original. The Ubertis come the closest to the originals where the barrel screws into the frame. It is an almost flush transition whereas the Euroarms and Piettas have a bit of a step between the barrel top and the top of the frame. Look at the photos of originals vs repros and you will immediately see the difference at the barrel/ frame juncture.
     
  25. ZVP

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    Remingtons of the New West

    This is the New West as they say and we probablly get more shooting under our belts than many of the origonal Westeners did. It has been said that our Replicas aren't exactly like the origonals. If there are such drastic differences between the Origonal and todays reproductions so be it!
    The guns of today are made of as good and probablly better Steel than the origonals and the Manufacturers have followed good pratices in so much as the "expendable" reproduction parts are pretty much interchangeable. Parts such as springs, hands and cylinder lock-up parts can be fitted pretty easilly to the several modern brands. In these ways our modern BP replicas are even better!
    Sure, I have wondered about the actual external dimensions of the frame and other parts and they appear to be close enough... Looking at them, they say Remington all over themselves!
    I vote for the new production guns. They are dependable, rarely need fixing, and shoot very accurately. So what if they are slightlly different from an origonal? They are more numerous than the origonals and give us all a very good representation of what shooting a "real" Remington is like!
    I for one am very pleased with my reproductions and I thank the manufacturers for the oppurtunity to enter the Black Powder sports!
    How do you guys feel about the your Reproductions?
    ZVP
     

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