THR Remington 1858 Club
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Recently came into possession of a Rem. 1858 New Army made by Pietta. I purchased it from a friend who inherited it.
This is my first black Powder gun so I had to do some research and get some accessories together. Then I shot twelve rounds through it this past weekend and really liked it. I used #10 caps and they seemed to work okay, but I've also read that #11's should be used. Can one of the experts here chime-in with the correct one for me?
The trigger is incredible. Thinking some custom work has been done on that and perhaps the front sight, as I have not found any pics with one like it. Then someone on this thread mentioned knowing the date of manufacture by one of the proof marks. I'd be very interested in figuring out when this gun was made.
Anyway I'm here to join the club and here's the picture.
This is my first black Powder gun so I had to do some research and get some accessories together. Then I shot twelve rounds through it this past weekend and really liked it. I used #10 caps and they seemed to work okay, but I've also read that #11's should be used. Can one of the experts here chime-in with the correct one for me?
The trigger is incredible. Thinking some custom work has been done on that and perhaps the front sight, as I have not found any pics with one like it. Then someone on this thread mentioned knowing the date of manufacture by one of the proof marks. I'd be very interested in figuring out when this gun was made.
Anyway I'm here to join the club and here's the picture.
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Yes, that's not a factory front sight. The grips are also modified.
Caps: Use what works. If the brand of No. 10 caps you're using stay on the nipple cone and go off on the first hammer strike, they work and there's no reason to go looking for a different size. If, on the other hand, they take more than one strike to ignite, or if they're loose and tend to want to fall off, another brand or size is probably going to be better. Matching caps and nipple cones is really something you must do for yourself. What someone on the internet says works for them may or may not fit your circumstance. This little axiom applies to many things in black powder shooting.
Age: There's a stamp on the right side of the frame below the cylinder. It's two capital letters in a square box; that is the proof date code and tells you the year the gun was manufactured. Here's the decoder ring for Italian-made guns:
Caps: Use what works. If the brand of No. 10 caps you're using stay on the nipple cone and go off on the first hammer strike, they work and there's no reason to go looking for a different size. If, on the other hand, they take more than one strike to ignite, or if they're loose and tend to want to fall off, another brand or size is probably going to be better. Matching caps and nipple cones is really something you must do for yourself. What someone on the internet says works for them may or may not fit your circumstance. This little axiom applies to many things in black powder shooting.
Age: There's a stamp on the right side of the frame below the cylinder. It's two capital letters in a square box; that is the proof date code and tells you the year the gun was manufactured. Here's the decoder ring for Italian-made guns:
BCRider
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Any chance of a Summer mail in competition? I have to confess that despite honorable intentions that my house renos and the really wet Spring kept me from doing any of the postals up to now. But I'm keen to see how well my own Remingtons shoot when not just being used for really big steel cowboys.
Sure. I'll be happy to referee a summer postal match. Same rules as before, two targets, etc:
1) Two targets, one at 25 yards and one at 10 yards.
2) The target is a plain white piece of 8 1/2" X 11" . It can be marked with an aim point of any design (dot, X, square, triangle, whatever) at any location on the paper.
3) 5 rounds at each target; more than 5 holes disqualifies the target. Any less than 5 and the missing rounds will be scored as if they were at the furthest edge from the center of the target.
4) Any Remington design percussion revolver, any caliber, open iron sights only (adjustable sights ok, no shaders, no peeps, no scopes, no fiber optics). The same pistol must be used for both targets.
5) All decisions of the judge are final.
6) Part 1, 10 yards:
Offhand stance, one hand hold, free hand must not touch the firearm, or anywhere on the shooting arm below the shoulder.
The target will be scored by adding the 5 shot group size in inches to the distance of the center of the group from the center of the piece of paper in inches. The judge will determine the center of the page in order to score the target. The center of the holes will be used to determine the group center.
Mark the target with the shooter's THR alias (screen name) and the words Part One Target.
7) Part two, 25 yards:
Offhand standing, one or two hand hold, no artificial support other than the off hand.
The target will be scored by adding the distances of the center of each of the 5 holes from the center of the target.
Mark the target with the shooter's THR alias (screen name) and the words Part Two Target.
8) A third score will be computed by adding the scores on the Part One and Part Two targets.
9) Mutilated targets will be disqualified.
10) There are no prizes. The scores will be posted with the shooter's THR alias in the THR Remington 1858 Club thread one week after the match closes.
11) The match will close on 31 August 2011.
12) Mail the targets to arrive before the match closing date to:
THR Postal Match
PO Box 6
National City, MI 48748-0006
Targets that arrive at the post office box after 5 pm 31 August 2011 will not be counted.
Targets will not be returned.
1) Two targets, one at 25 yards and one at 10 yards.
2) The target is a plain white piece of 8 1/2" X 11" . It can be marked with an aim point of any design (dot, X, square, triangle, whatever) at any location on the paper.
3) 5 rounds at each target; more than 5 holes disqualifies the target. Any less than 5 and the missing rounds will be scored as if they were at the furthest edge from the center of the target.
4) Any Remington design percussion revolver, any caliber, open iron sights only (adjustable sights ok, no shaders, no peeps, no scopes, no fiber optics). The same pistol must be used for both targets.
5) All decisions of the judge are final.
6) Part 1, 10 yards:
Offhand stance, one hand hold, free hand must not touch the firearm, or anywhere on the shooting arm below the shoulder.
The target will be scored by adding the 5 shot group size in inches to the distance of the center of the group from the center of the piece of paper in inches. The judge will determine the center of the page in order to score the target. The center of the holes will be used to determine the group center.
Mark the target with the shooter's THR alias (screen name) and the words Part One Target.
7) Part two, 25 yards:
Offhand standing, one or two hand hold, no artificial support other than the off hand.
The target will be scored by adding the distances of the center of each of the 5 holes from the center of the target.
Mark the target with the shooter's THR alias (screen name) and the words Part Two Target.
8) A third score will be computed by adding the scores on the Part One and Part Two targets.
9) Mutilated targets will be disqualified.
10) There are no prizes. The scores will be posted with the shooter's THR alias in the THR Remington 1858 Club thread one week after the match closes.
11) The match will close on 31 August 2011.
12) Mail the targets to arrive before the match closing date to:
THR Postal Match
PO Box 6
National City, MI 48748-0006
Targets that arrive at the post office box after 5 pm 31 August 2011 will not be counted.
Targets will not be returned.
Smokin_Gun
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Well Here's my Latest one a Smokin_Gun Signature model from Lyman it's an Armi San Paolo
And this one I got just prior to it
A Fredric Remington Commmemorative Model
Both are .44's
And this one I got just prior to it
A Fredric Remington Commmemorative Model
Both are .44's
arcticap
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I went to the range today to make some smoke.
I experimented with "triple lubing" the cylinder pin with mineral oil in between each cylinder swap which did help to make for a lot easier removal than during previous range sessions.
I also confirmed that my gun tends to shoot more to the left at first, and then straightens out more as the gun heats up from firing.
Sometimes the trigger felt like it was sticking so I applied even more oil using a cotton swab.
Before long the grip became slippery even though I kept wiping the excess oil off with a rag. That sure made it more of a challenge to hold on to the gun securely while firing today. But it was still a lot of fun and felt like being at the local fireworks display on the 4th of July.
I experimented with "triple lubing" the cylinder pin with mineral oil in between each cylinder swap which did help to make for a lot easier removal than during previous range sessions.
I also confirmed that my gun tends to shoot more to the left at first, and then straightens out more as the gun heats up from firing.
Sometimes the trigger felt like it was sticking so I applied even more oil using a cotton swab.
Before long the grip became slippery even though I kept wiping the excess oil off with a rag. That sure made it more of a challenge to hold on to the gun securely while firing today. But it was still a lot of fun and felt like being at the local fireworks display on the 4th of July.
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I love that Holster! Just bought one for my '62 Piettia Police and cut it down to the right bbl length.
Made from real Saddle Skirt leaqther like they advertized!
I'm gonna buy a couple more for other guns, maybe even a left hander to have a set?
It's the perfect rendition of the Slim-Jim!
ZVP
Made from real Saddle Skirt leaqther like they advertized!
I'm gonna buy a couple more for other guns, maybe even a left hander to have a set?
It's the perfect rendition of the Slim-Jim!
ZVP
HUnter58
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Sign me up. Here is my mid 80's uberti.
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Voodoochile
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I thought I was in this one, maybe it was last years official club, not sure.
Um never mind, I'm just blind & couldn't find my posting, must have moved my picture...
Um never mind, I'm just blind & couldn't find my posting, must have moved my picture...
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ChasMack
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New Rem BP
Here is my new baby! Hopefully I'l get a chance to shoot it this week. It's a Pietta. I saw a Uberti here and it looks like it's finished a little better than my Pietta. I know the Custer pic does not really go with a BP Remington but I happened to be reading the mag and thought he'd look good next to my gun!
Here is my new baby! Hopefully I'l get a chance to shoot it this week. It's a Pietta. I saw a Uberti here and it looks like it's finished a little better than my Pietta. I know the Custer pic does not really go with a BP Remington but I happened to be reading the mag and thought he'd look good next to my gun!
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Armored farmer
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count me in too Mykeal.
I finally have my 2011 crop on it's own and can post some targets!!
I finally have my 2011 crop on it's own and can post some targets!!
madmike
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Original and repro at the top:
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Voodoochile
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That original looks beautiful.
.36 Navy
I am intrested in getting a .36 Navy Remington to go with my London Colt and was wondering if anyone had much experience with the gun and caliber? Maybe suggested Loads?
I handled one once, it was chambered for the .38Special, As I remember it was slightly smaller than my 1858's are. Am I correct in saying the Navy is smaller?
Anyway, any information I can get on the Navy will be appreciated.
ZVP
I am intrested in getting a .36 Navy Remington to go with my London Colt and was wondering if anyone had much experience with the gun and caliber? Maybe suggested Loads?
I handled one once, it was chambered for the .38Special, As I remember it was slightly smaller than my 1858's are. Am I correct in saying the Navy is smaller?
Anyway, any information I can get on the Navy will be appreciated.
ZVP
arcticap
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ZVP said:
AFAIK the current Pietta .36 Remington has the same grip and frame as their .44's while some of the older .36 models such as the New Belt .36 were noticeably smaller.
Navy Arms 1858 New Belt .36
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=490766
Current Pietta 1858 Remington New Navies do in fact have the same grip frame as the New Army. The original Remingtons, of course, were slightly smaller. At one time Pietta was faithful to the size difference, but no longer. Here is a side-by-side photo of a 1972 Pietta replica New Navy with a typical Pietta New Army. You can see that the Navy is smaller.
junkman_01
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Ubertis and Piettas are NOT the same size. So no It won't inter-change.
Hoof Hearted
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The Pietta cylinder is longer than the Uberti.Does anyone know if a conversion cylinder for a Uberti Remington 1858 would fit in a Pietta Rem 1858? I would think it would, but I am hoping someone here knows for sure
Send me a PM letting me know what you are wanting to accomplish. I may be able to help.
Navy Model
Yea the first one I held must have been an Uberti because it was smaller.
Cabelas now lists one as being a 6" bbl and I wonder if Piettia is now making a correct sized one or maybe it's just .36 cal with a shorter bbl?
Either way I think this is going to be my next BP revolver! The .36 caliber ought to be really a nice shooter in a Remington frame! maybe it'll be a little heavier but the worst I could do is a $239 mistake, eh?
ZVP
Yea the first one I held must have been an Uberti because it was smaller.
Cabelas now lists one as being a 6" bbl and I wonder if Piettia is now making a correct sized one or maybe it's just .36 cal with a shorter bbl?
Either way I think this is going to be my next BP revolver! The .36 caliber ought to be really a nice shooter in a Remington frame! maybe it'll be a little heavier but the worst I could do is a $239 mistake, eh?
ZVP
I think the smaller frame fits the .36 caliber the best but just having the strength of the Remington frame is going to be a plus. You never have to worry about wearing the cylinder pin loose with only a .36 in it! You could'nt pack enough powder in one to hurt it. I guess the same goes for any Steel Colt model frame!
Just thinking about varying the gun battery...
I wonder just how many companies made how many variations of the '58? So many commeratives and finishes it'd drive you crazy trying to catalog em all! Thank God they put cameras into Phones cause every time you see a variation you can snap a picture of it!
Ya'd fill up an I Phone!
ZVP
Just thinking about varying the gun battery...
I wonder just how many companies made how many variations of the '58? So many commeratives and finishes it'd drive you crazy trying to catalog em all! Thank God they put cameras into Phones cause every time you see a variation you can snap a picture of it!
Ya'd fill up an I Phone!
ZVP
Legionnaire
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Okay, just "paid my dues" thanks to the recent revolver sale at Cabela's. 5-1/2" Pietta .44 with spare cylinder. Delivered earlier this afternoon. Can hardly wait until the weekend when I'll have some time to break it in! Happy dance!
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