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THR Remington 1858 Club

Discussion in 'Blackpowder' started by Shoot The Moon, Jan 8, 2011.

  1. Rogue Coder

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    Hey Captain, that picture I think has to be my favorite! :)
     
  2. Captain*kirk

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    Thanks!
    Just finished two projects this week; a couple of ASM brass Remmies that were hurtin' and in need of some TLC.
    Well, they got it.
    The bad news is, I won't be able to keep 'em. Gotta go on the auction block to pay for the next "new one"!

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  3. Rogue Coder

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    Hey Captain, seeing those brass remmies gives me encouragement to really polish mine up and refinish the grips. Those are some mighty fine looking peacemakers. :D:D
     
  4. spaniel

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    I've had this gun (a Pietta from Cabelas) for a dozen years or so. Put maybe 300-400 rounds through it with blackpowder; not more than a couple cylinders in the past 5 years, not legal to hunt with in my current state, and just too much of a PIA to clean to target shoot with.

    Just converted to 45LC, now I can't shoot it enough...
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  5. michaelbsc

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    I have a couple of these exact same, and I have been thinking of a conversion cylinder. Which one did you get that you like so much?
     
  6. 7mmstalker

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    Tried to find black grips made of ebony, but no luck. Chunks of the stuff are pretty spendy, priced by the pound usually. Material in that price range requires a higher level of skill /patience than I possess!
    The grips on it are molded from some type of resin, not sure exactly what, nylon maybe. Seemed fairly "hard" but not as hard as close grained oak or hickory. The final fitting was easily done by scraping curls off of the high spots with the edge of a thin, sharp pocket knife.

    Edit:
    posted a super sized version of the same pic earlier (#710) but it went away?
     
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  7. BHP FAN

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    Water buffalo scales can be had from knife kit makers like Crazy Crow and Atlanta Cutlery.
     
  8. BHP FAN

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  9. DrHow2

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    Spaniel, I would like to know which conversion cylinder you used also. Did you do it yourself? I have been wanting to convert mine also. I see them on sale right now at some dealers...
     
  10. SixxshootinSam

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    Dr How, Looks like a Howell conversion cylinder. And you can install them the same way as your original cylinder, no fitting required.
    And while on topic on this particular cylinder, when I cock my remmie all the way, the firing pin does not seem to be exactly centered when I look at it dead on. This seems to be the case on both my conversion cylinders, they are both slightly off to the left (just the firing pin that is). Can anyone confirm this on theirs?
    See small thumbnail below.

    And while I'm here I might as well join the club.
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  11. Hellgate

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    What counts is whether the chamber is aligned with the barrel. I've had Remmies spit lead out the gap from shaving lead (an ASP/Euroarms, bad cylinder[bolt stop slot alignment off center] , dropped a Uberti cylinder in and all was well). As long as the line up is good and the firing pin reliably ignites the ammo you are OK other than it looking bad. Otherwise it may be that the bolt stop slots in the cylinder are cut in the wrong place or the bolt cutout in the frame is off. Put the empty cylinder in the gun and pass a sharp edged rod down the barrel to see if you can get it to clink the edges of the chambers. Sometimes you can just look down the barrel and see the thin crescent shape of the edge of the chambers if they are not lining up with the bore. One of my stainless Remingtons (Pietta) did that and would sometimes freeze the action when the cylinder jumped out of the bolt stop as the ball traversed the gap when it hit the edge of the forcing cone. When I had the barrel throat reamed it helped alot.
     
  12. kBob

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    ?about '70s Lyman imports

    Were the early 1970's imports by Lyman the same size as current '58 repros?

    Was the .36 a different size than the .44?

    -kBob
     
  13. NineMilePete

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    I just recieved my new treasure: a early 70s Lyman New Model Navy 36.
    I can attest that it is smaller than the new Piettas and Ubertis.
    To me, it looks much more elegant than the new ones. I have smaller hands, and the grips fit much more comfortable.
     
  14. kBob

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    9Mile Pete,

    would that be the Lyman that was on GunBroker a week or ten days ago?

    That would be what propted me to ask as I believe another is up now.

    This thing with Cabela's Memorial day sale though looks very interesting though as opposed to a used gun with perhaps parts interchangability problems. I have been dissappointed with the lack of decent deals on Gun Broker as often auctioned guns have starting prices at or even beyound what a current production new gun of the same design under warrentee would go for. Also the number of folks that insist on an FFL being envolved for a BP repro sale is distressing.

    The only sight unseen gun I have bought was from a member here and I am happy with it. While I have less selection crusing local gun shows and shops I atleast get to handle what I am buying verses the auction sights.

    Have fun with the Lyman, where ever you got it from. ANd thanks for your response.

    -kBob
     
  15. kBob

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    SSSam,

    I really like the look of that conversion cylinder and the gun it is in. I think the shorter barrel really works in that rig even though I generally don't like the look of abrevreated Remington 58/63's.

    Thanks for posting it.

    -kBob
     
  16. Hellgate

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    Ninemile Pete,
    Is that gun a Uberti or an Armi San Paolo/Euroarms? The ASP/Euro guns have a smaller frame and grips than other guns but they are the same size in the 44 cal too. I have both calibers and they all have smaller grips and frames than any other make I have held (Uberti & Pietta). They are similar to the Santa Barbara guns.
     
  17. NineMilePete

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    K-Bob:

    Yes, I took a chance on the Gunbroker deal on my new treasure ( Lyman 36).
    Guess I lucked out. It was exactly as described and arrived within 3 days.
    It's hard to define one's own personal taste in a purchase. Being an older geezer, I like vintage items. This Lyman 36 was made in 1970 by Uberti. I can't really compare it to the frame size of a same year Lyman New Model Army.
    I do have a Cimarron/Uberti New Model 1858 Navy. Although a beautiful, sleek revolver, I much prefer the feel of my Lyman.

    I'm expecting arrival of another Gunbroker deal: A Euroarms New Model Army, vintage 1971 ( or thereabouts). Rather like waiting for Christmas.

    I can understand one's trepedations about buying sight unseen.

    Love those Remingtons ( and Colts and ROAs).
     
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  18. kBob

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    Oddly there is a .36 XXX date Lyman up on gun broker currently from an out fit in NINE MILE, OR.

    Is that wierd or what?

    -kBob
     
  19. NineMilePete

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    Kbob:
    That is weird !!!
    Not to brag, but my find was virtually in un-fired condition. No turn marks on the cylinder.
    I take my handle (Nine Mile Pete) after Nine Mile Canyon, out hear in Utah. My Great-Uncle had a ranch in that canyon back in the good ole days. Spent many fine times out there.
     
  20. Hellgate

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    Pete,
    There is also a Ninemile creek and valley in western Montana just northwest of Missoula. My dad spent some time there in the 1940s & 50s at the smokejumper base there.
     
  21. michaelbsc

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    And there is a Nine Mile community (takes its name from a creek as well) near Richlands, NC.
     
  22. NineMilePete

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    Euroarms 1858 New Army Model Dovetail size

    I'm wondering whether or not Euroarms kept the dovetail size on their 1858 New Army constant over the years ( 1970 or so until 2006). Do any of you astute Remyphyles have any info???
     
  23. Hellgate

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    I have owned 7 Euroarms Remingtons (still have 4). Mostly older guns (70s) and swapped out front sights for taller ones I got from S&Ss firearms. All had the same dovetail. I don't know the exact age on my newest one. They were all bought used. Some were in pretty bad shape but I made them all shooters before selling them off.
     
  24. NineMilePete

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    Thanks Hellgate:

    The reason I asked the question was just that. I was thinking of buying the higher "competition site blade" from SandS. for my 1971 vintage Euroarms Remmy. Looks like it may be plausible.
    Speaking of my Euro. I lucked out on my Auction Arms Euroarms 1858 buy.
    Looks un-fired to me. Going to have to soak all parts to remove the oxided packing grease. Love the sveldt line of my new treasure.
     
  25. kBob

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    Well no pictures yet but it is here. Fairly pleased with the Pietta from Cabela's. That sale price and free shipping was too much ( or should I say little) to pass up.

    Now I need a decent and trustworthy tutorial on cleaning up the trigger pull and I think I am going to round off the edges of the cut through the trigger guard for the trigger as it feels very sharp. Also the edges of the trigger itself could use some rounding, but if it actually is case hardened that may be a bear.

    Hope to burn powder in it Monday, if I can ever get that nasty pietta oil out of the nooks and cranies. With the trigger currently the way it is I don't expect it to be my most accurate coal burner.

    As much trouble as I have keeping a belt up I am thinking something Sam Browne ish for when carting it about, It was very difficult to put it away so I could get out for the evening chores and type this up.

    UPS guy wanted to see it and thought it was neat.

    -kBob
     

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