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THR Virtual Match - MAY 2005 - OUTSIDE THE COMFORT ZONE

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  1. photo_guy

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    THR Virtual Match - MAY 2005



    For those who may not be familiar with the general rules of the matches please see the rules FAQ .
    http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=64130



    Outside the Comfort Zone

    This month’s match will move you outside your comfort zone at the range.

    You arrive at the range and set-up on your favorite lane. The target is out at a distance that you have tried many times. You know what to expect. You load the mag with a familiar click,click,click as each round slides into place. Your gun feels natural in your hand as you pick it up, slide the mag into place, rack the slide and raise it to sight onto the target. Breath, grip, stance, front sight focus, all as you’ve done thousands of times before. The sights line up and a gentle squeeze of the trigger sends your first round toward the target. Four more just like that and you are done for this months match entry.

    WAIT! You are only half done!

    Now you need to repeat this process using you WEAK HAND. “Not so toughâ€, I hear you say, but there is another twist. You must also use you WEAK EYE.

    So, if you are a ‘normal’ shooter you are likely right handed and use your right eye to sight with. For the second target you must use your left hand and left eye to shoot the target.

    If, for example, you are cross dominant (like I am) and shoot right handed but left eyed normally the second target must be shot left handed and right eyed.

    TARGET DOWNLOAD http://www.gamecalls.net/free_stuff/52_free_targets.html
    Download the 50 yard NRA target from this page.


    PROCEDURES

    Two targets per entry/class – one target shot strong side the second target shot weak side.

    Five rounds per target.

    Shots falling outside the outer ring will count as zero.

    The standard distances will be 10 yards for Pistol and 25 yrds for Rifle. (plus 50 yrds and 100yrds for supported rifle classes.)

    Shooting will be done unsupported for all classes with the exception of the Supported Class categories. Per the request of a few shooters I have decided to add some supported classes to this months match.



    SCORING:

    Normal scoring conventions apply – shots breaking the line to a higher ring count at the higher score.
    Shots falling outside the outer ring will count as zero.


    The final score you report must include :
    THR NAME
    CLASS
    STRONG SIDE SCORE ___________
    WEAK SIDE SCORE___________
    Target Distance (yards)




    UNSUPPORTED/FREEHAND CLASSES: 10yrds handgun 25 yrds rifle
    PISTOL STOCK CLASS - Standard pistols with barrels 6" or less
    PISTOL IMPROVED - Pistols with significant improvements from out-of-the-box or pistols with barrels more than 6".
    PISTOL SCOPED - Any scoped pistol
    RIFLE STOCK CLASS - Standard rifles with iron sights
    RIFLE SCOPED - Any scoped rifle
    AIRGUN PISTOL- un-scoped airgun
    AIRGUN RIFLE – un-scoped air rifle


    SUPPORTED/BENCHREST CLASSES
    All unsupported classes can also be attempted supported at 10/25 yrds
    Plus:
    RIFLE STOCK CLASS – Standard rifles with iron sights at 50yrds and/or 100yrds
    RIFLE SCOPED - Any scoped rifle at 50yrds and/or 100yrds


    ONLY ONE ENTRY PER CLASS THIS MONTH. You can enter as many classes as you want if you have the proper equipment to qualify. (That is up to 18 entries if you do all supported and unsupported classes!)

    The target can be found HERE http://www.gamecalls.net/free_stuff/52_free_targets.html

    or, alternatively here
     
  2. NoBite

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    photo_guy - Do we add the scores for the Strong side and Weak side targets together to arrive at our entry score for a given class?
     
  3. Mal H

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    No_Bite - looks like p_g wants the individual strong/weak side scores not the total. He's probably going to do some scoring based on them as opposed to the total of both.

    Now, for my question/observation, photo_guy. When you say:
    You do mean that those attempts will be separated from the members who try them unsupported, right? Otherwise, 'twouldn't be fair. Perhaps a note should be added that everyone should state whether the class was supported or unsupported no matter what the target distance. In other words, an entry would be:
     
  4. photo_guy

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    NoBite - Mal H is correct. Please report strong side and weak side scores for each entry. I will add them together for the final ranking but I want to see the difference. [The delta will be used in the unlikely event a tie breaker is needed- smaller delta is better!]

    Mal H - Yes, the supported class entries will be separate from the unsupported. Everyone needs to report their scores under a class and clearly identify supported or unsupported. This means that someone who only has one firearm (i.e. a handgun) could enter is two classes - Lets say, for example: UNSUPPORTED PISTOL STOCK and then try again using support to make an entry under SUPPORTED PISTOL STOCK.

    My initial intent was to only add supported classes for rifle. Based on past matches I had a feeling that if I limited the supported class to just rifle I'd get people asking why not pistol as well -so I put it out there. Then I realized supported rifle at 25 yrds is not too much of a challenge so I added the potential for 50yrd and 100yd entries for those benchrest shooters out there. We will see how it goes. If there are not enough entries in these classes the scoring will be pretty lame.


    BTW - SPECIAL CAUTION TO ALL: Be very careful when shooting your weak side/weak eye target. It is VERY easy to slip back to your stong eye after the first round is fired or to forget which eye you should be using for that target. I know this from personal experience. :D
     
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  5. cropcirclewalker

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    Just so that I understand.........(I'm simple) One entry = 2 targets...strong and weak for each class?

    There are 7 unsupported classes and 2 supported. Then, if we choose, we can enter the 7 unsupported classes as supported. That's 7 more.

    7 + 2 + 7 = 16.

    Are you saying that if we choose, we can enter the 2 supported classes unsupported (offhand) at 50 and/or 100 yards? That is 4 more entries (20 total) unless we have to choose between 50 or 100. (18 total)

    For a grand total of 36 targets.

    Naturally, I would choose 50 yds, but just shooting offhand last month (My first VM) has taught me a lot. Maybe I would shoot 100 yds just to see if I could hit it.
     
  6. pax

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    Just a clarification: are you talking about shooting Strong Hand Only/Weak Hand Only, or are you talking about shooting mirror image using both hands?

    pax
     
  7. photo_guy

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    Ahhh - lots of questions. Good! Shows interest!

    Cropcircle - Yes - One entry = 2 targets
    Yes - The addition of the 50 and 100 yard target ranges was added with supported class in mind. BUT...if you wish to give it a go unsupported you may do so.
    That opens everything up to supported or unsupported entries! Lots of apportunities this month. Everyone should find something that fits their needs and limitations.


    Pax - Good question. My intent was that 2-hand holds MAY be used for handgun classes. They would be mirror-imaged for weak side.

    Another tip: Don't forget to change your stance for weak hand shooting.
     
  8. Ankeny

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    Deleted. Explanation below.
     
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  9. Robert J McElwain

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    I think, before I shoot this match, I'll drop by the drugstore and invest in an eye patch. :)

    Bob
     
  10. NoBite

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    Photo_guy: 5 shots per target or 6?
     
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    Five

    Ankeny take note.
     
  12. cropcirclewalker

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    Mr. Guy,

    I don't think I can be prolific on this match. Although I am fortunate to live on 90 acres in the woods, half a mile from the nearest neighbor and have a firing range off by back slab, I don't own any improved or scoped pistols and my pellet rifle is busted. Why fix it?

    The final score you report must include :
    THR NAME Cropcirclewalker
    CLASS Stock Pistol
    STRONG SIDE SCORE __45______
    WEAK SIDE SCORE____43_____
    Target Distance (yards) 10
    Supported (yes/no) no, offhand (unsupported)
    5 rounds per target

    [edited to add image] [​IMG]
    the weak side lower right is 3 holes. 2 of them broke the 9 ring. Why would I lie? Mr. Ankeny Beat me already. :) [/edification]

    Yes, my weak hand kept pointing to the right also. No muscle memory I guess. I ended up aiming like 3" to the left.

    Eye patches are good. Put a piece of gauze, cotton or cardboard inside your shooting glasses. :cool:
     
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  13. Ankeny

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    Oh poop, I didn't even notice. I shot six and just scored the points down. What's the chances of shooting another set of targets as good as the first set?

    Well I shot the targets again with the correct number of shots. I didn't do quite as well this time. The score is:

    THR NAME: Ankeny
    CLASS: Stock Pistol
    STRONG SIDE SCORE: 50
    WEAK SIDE SCORE: 47
    Target Distance (yards): 10

    Once again, my shots are to the right with my left hand. I am pretty sure the shift in POI is a vision problem. I have prisms in my glasses to correct for double vision. It's no wonder my eyes don't want to converge on the front sight with two eyes open.

    Here are the targets:
    [​IMG]
     
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    "What's the chances of shooting another set of targets as good as the first set?"

    Well, if your shooting on this target is as good as you've shown in the past, I'd say the odds are in your favor. :D
     
  15. NoBite

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    I should have invested in an eye exam!

    Here we go in the order in which I shot the targets...

    THR NAME: NoBite
    CLASS: Pistol Stock (Kimber Custom Classic I)
    STRONG SIDE SCORE: 40 (9-9-8-7-7)
    WEAK SIDE SCORE: 26 (8-6-6-6-0)
    Target Distance: 10 yards
    Supported: NO

    [​IMG] [​IMG]


    THR NAME: NoBite
    CLASS: Pistol Stock (SA XD-9)
    STRONG SIDE SCORE: 41 (10-9-9-8-5)
    WEAK SIDE SCORE: 26 (one shot off the target!) (8-7-6-5-0)
    Target Distance: 10 yards
    Supported: NO

    [​IMG] [​IMG]

    THR NAME: NoBite
    CLASS: Pistol Improved (Ruger Mark II w/Red Dot)
    STRONG SIDE SCORE: 46 (10-10-10-8-8)
    WEAK SIDE SCORE: 39 (10-10-10-9-0) (2 bullets in hole @ 5 o'clock)
    Target Distance: 10 yards
    Supported: NO

    [​IMG] [​IMG]

    Next, a couple of rifles.
     
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    I am reminded that shooting is a skill diminished by lack of practice!

    THR NAME: NoBite
    CLASS: Rifle Improved (Ruger 10/22 w/Scope)
    STRONG SIDE SCORE: 48 (10-10-10-9-9)
    WEAK SIDE SCORE: 33 (10-9-7-7-0)
    Target Distance: 25 yards
    Supported: NO

    [​IMG] [​IMG]

    THR NAME: NoBite
    CLASS: Rifle Stock (Marlin 1894C, iron sights)
    STRONG SIDE SCORE: 36 (8-7-7-7-7)
    WEAK SIDE SCORE: 40 (10-10-9-6-5)
    Target Distance: 25 yards
    Supported: NO

    [​IMG] [​IMG]

    That was odd. My weak side was stronger than my strong side. :uhoh:
     
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    10 yards
    Standard Pistol Class BHP 9mm factory fixed sights.
    Santa Barbara FMJ Ammo 115 grain.
    Strong Side Score 34 (6,7,7,7,7)
    Weak Side Score 30 (0,6,6,8,10) Threw one shot wide to the right.

    ACP230
    25 yards
    Standard Rifle Class Universal .30 Carbine standard peep sights.
    .30 Carbine reloads 115 grain LRN
    Strong Side Score 24 (0, 0, 7,7, 10)
    Weak Side Score 6 (0,0,0,0, 6) Shot high.

    Have an eye patch but forgot it. Keeping my right eye closed was a real distraction.
     
  18. Mark whiz

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    I didn't get a chance to do any firearm work with these targets today, but I did get my air rifle segment shot.

    THR NAME: Mark whiz
    CLASS: Air Rifle, Open Sights, Unsupported (Daisy 753)
    STRONG SIDE SCORE: 50 (10-10-10-10-10) No "X"s
    WEAK SIDE SCORE: 48 (8-10-10-10-10) No "X"s
    Target Distance: 10 meters

    I should be able to, at least, get some pistol work done next week.
     
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    Took my Springfield out for a run today:

    THR NAME: FLy320s
    CLASS: Pistol - Stock
    STRONG SIDE SCORE: 38
    WEAK SIDE SCORE: 31
    Target Distance: 10 yards

    Not as good strong hand/eye as I thought I should do. But I did have a decent group. :D

    I'll try to get the rifle done next week.
     
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    I don't know why it is, this is the honor system, but I feel like I gotta explain. [​IMG]
    Strong side: The first shot cut the 10 line and the second shot took out the evidence. Yes, 25 yds seems like simple and yes, I gotta take responsibility for the flier on the weak side. You see, they are hand loads. This is my squirrel gun.

    The final score you report must include :

    THR NAME Cropcirclewalker
    CLASS Scoped rifle
    STRONG SIDE SCORE 50
    WEAK SIDE SCORE 49
    Target Distance (yards) 25
    supported

    edited to add........I shoulda said...1943 version of the Enfield No. 4 Mk. 1, scoped

    further edited to add....I rotated these targets 90 degrees ccw when I clamped them to my bullet trap. The wandering is vertical, not horizontal. I think I will load up some more with a little more Unique to see what happens at 50 yds.
     
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  21. Mark whiz

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    Got my pistol targets shot today. :eek:

    Since there is only 1 entry per class this time, my best targets were:

    THR NAME: Mark whiz
    CLASS: Stock Pistol Unsupported (S.A. 1911-A1 Mil-Spec)
    STRONG SIDE SCORE: 48 (10-10-10-8-10) 3 "X"s
    WEAK SIDE SCORE: 46 (10-9-9-9-9) 1 "X"
    Target Distance: 10 yards

    Actually, so far this month, I've found it pretty easy to shoot weak-armed/weak-eyed. I know I'm right eye dominant and right handed, but that left eye ain't doing so bad.

    And after I finished the targets I decided to play a little - set up coke cans at 50yds and made 'em dance with the 1911.......... I didn't think I was that good of a shot, but I hit the first can, first shot. :D
     
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    Mark whiz, If you look at the faq you will see that when there is only one entry allowed for the match the intent is that you only shoot one target. That is your entry for score. You should not 'pick your best' score as the entry.

    If you did shoot more than one target your first target score should be the one reported for the match. If you wish to shoot additional targets after the one 'for record' that is OK.
     
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    OK, so my No. 4 Mk 1 Enfield is either shot out (which I don't think) or my problem is with my handloads. There is a 9X scope on it and the crosshairs were on the bull, both strong and weak. 11.2 grains Unique behind a Lyman 311291 170 gr. LRN, which is supposed to be real good (the 311291).

    we are talking like 1425 avg fps but I am trying to keep the load light, since I don't want to send the bullet into the next county. I guess I gotta up the charge and see what happens.

    [​IMG]

    THR NAME Cropcirclewalker
    CLASS Scoped rifle
    STRONG SIDE SCORE 42 (6, 7, X, 10, 9)
    WEAK SIDE SCORE 37 (10, 5, 5, 9, 8)
    Target Distance (yards) 50
    supported
     
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    Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeew

    Fortunately Photo Guy those were the first shot.................my .38 & .357 targets afterward were a bit disappointing.
     
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    This was a fun match. Unfortunately, I forgot to buy an eye patch, which would have made things easier. Instead, I had to fold a piece of paper and hang it over my glasses on my strong side.

    THR NAME: Robert J McElwain
    CLASS: Pistol Stock Ruger P93, 9 MM
    STRONG SIDE SCORE: 42 (10 10 9 8 5)
    WEAK SIDE SCORE: 31 (10 9 6 6 )
    Target Distance: 10 yards
    Supported: NO


    THR NAME: Robert J McElwain
    CLASS: Scoped Pistol (Ruger Mark II .22 cal., Bushnell Holosight)
    STRONG SIDE SCORE: 45 (10 10 9 8 8 )
    WEAK SIDE SCORE: 39 (10 8 8 7 6 )
    Target Distance: 10 yards
    Supported: NO
     
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