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Three bullets failed to stop home intruder, records say
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(NV) Invader shot by resident had served time for murder 09-17-03
a convicted killer walking the streets......... jee and they wander why crime is so bad? Insted of blaming lifeless inanimate objects, maybe , just maybe the anti self defense crowd should consider blaming the bad guys and punish them accordingly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
an unloaded shot gun? Hey it's good for something
Maybe He shoulda had a loaded shot gun in the first place !
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(NV) Invader shot by resident had served time for murder 09-17-03
Date: Sep 18, 2003 4:48 AM
http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/nevada/2003/sep/17/091710048
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September 17, 2003 at 9:39:27 PDT
Gardnerville man described intrusion as "horror movie"
ASSOCIATED PRESS
GARDNERVILLE, Nev. (AP) - A Gardnerville man who shot and killed a
convicted killer who forced his way into his home said the late-night
intrusion was like a horror movie.
In newly released police reports, Charles
Cryderman told investigators that Walter
Hetrick, who spent nearly 20 years in and out of California psychiatric
hospitals, continued crawling down a hallway toward his children's
bedroom after being shot three times, the Reno Gazette-Journal reported.
Cryderman, a Douglas County businessman, told investigators the incident
was like the movie "Friday the 13th" or "Jack Nicholson in 'The
Shining,'".
Cryderman, 52, said he was watching television around 11:30 p.m. Aug. 2
when Hetrick, whom he had never met, showed up at his door looking for a
woman named Stacy. Cryderman told him he had the wrong house.
According to the reports, The 6-1, 230-pound Hetrick became angry,
starting talking about rape and began pounding on the door.
As Cryderman got his Smith & Wesson .357 magnum revolver from a bedroom,
the noise at the front door stopped.
Then Hetrick began banging on a side door, saw Cryderman was armed and
yelled, "Put the gun down," the reports said.
Hetrick threw a brick against the door and kicked it open. Cryderman
fired, and the door slammed shut. Hetrick kicked the door open twice
more, and Cryderman fired one shot both times, the reports said.
The reports said Hetrick "finally lunged into the residence," and
Cryderman fired twice more, using up the five rounds in the six-shot
revolver.
As his wife and two children hid in a bathroom, Cryderman hit Hetrick
three times - in the upper torso, the thigh and in the foot.
But Hetrick, 40, still kept moving through the home, so Cryderman got
his unloaded shotgun that was still in a case and began beating him with
it, the report said.
Hetrick grabbed the shotgun at one point and the two struggled over it,
but Cryderman got it back and continued hitting him, even after the case
came open and the shotgun game apart, the reports said.
At one point the homeowner pleaded with Hetrick to "stay there," the
reports said.
Sheriff's deputies swarmed the home moments later. Hetrick, of Antioch,
Calif., was handcuffed and taken to a hospital where he died of a
severed artery from the gunshot wound to his thigh.
Investigators said Hetrick's mother and an aunt in Antioch showed
detectives seven bottles of prescription drugs that Hetrick had stopped
taking. His mother described him as dangerous to himself and others when
he wasn't taking medication.
Hetrick was found guilty in the shooting death of his best friend in
Antioch in October 1984 and sentenced the following March to 27 years to
life in prison, authorities said.
He initially was sentenced to Atascadero State Hospital but also spent
time at other state hospitals and was deemed insane under California
law.
Authorities said Hetrick had been arrested on drug charges as recently
as January but was released from state supervision in California about
three months before the Gardnerville break-in.
a convicted killer walking the streets......... jee and they wander why crime is so bad? Insted of blaming lifeless inanimate objects, maybe , just maybe the anti self defense crowd should consider blaming the bad guys and punish them accordingly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
an unloaded shot gun? Hey it's good for something
Maybe He shoulda had a loaded shot gun in the first place !
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(NV) Invader shot by resident had served time for murder 09-17-03
Date: Sep 18, 2003 4:48 AM
http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/nevada/2003/sep/17/091710048
.html
September 17, 2003 at 9:39:27 PDT
Gardnerville man described intrusion as "horror movie"
ASSOCIATED PRESS
GARDNERVILLE, Nev. (AP) - A Gardnerville man who shot and killed a
convicted killer who forced his way into his home said the late-night
intrusion was like a horror movie.
In newly released police reports, Charles
Cryderman told investigators that Walter
Hetrick, who spent nearly 20 years in and out of California psychiatric
hospitals, continued crawling down a hallway toward his children's
bedroom after being shot three times, the Reno Gazette-Journal reported.
Cryderman, a Douglas County businessman, told investigators the incident
was like the movie "Friday the 13th" or "Jack Nicholson in 'The
Shining,'".
Cryderman, 52, said he was watching television around 11:30 p.m. Aug. 2
when Hetrick, whom he had never met, showed up at his door looking for a
woman named Stacy. Cryderman told him he had the wrong house.
According to the reports, The 6-1, 230-pound Hetrick became angry,
starting talking about rape and began pounding on the door.
As Cryderman got his Smith & Wesson .357 magnum revolver from a bedroom,
the noise at the front door stopped.
Then Hetrick began banging on a side door, saw Cryderman was armed and
yelled, "Put the gun down," the reports said.
Hetrick threw a brick against the door and kicked it open. Cryderman
fired, and the door slammed shut. Hetrick kicked the door open twice
more, and Cryderman fired one shot both times, the reports said.
The reports said Hetrick "finally lunged into the residence," and
Cryderman fired twice more, using up the five rounds in the six-shot
revolver.
As his wife and two children hid in a bathroom, Cryderman hit Hetrick
three times - in the upper torso, the thigh and in the foot.
But Hetrick, 40, still kept moving through the home, so Cryderman got
his unloaded shotgun that was still in a case and began beating him with
it, the report said.
Hetrick grabbed the shotgun at one point and the two struggled over it,
but Cryderman got it back and continued hitting him, even after the case
came open and the shotgun game apart, the reports said.
At one point the homeowner pleaded with Hetrick to "stay there," the
reports said.
Sheriff's deputies swarmed the home moments later. Hetrick, of Antioch,
Calif., was handcuffed and taken to a hospital where he died of a
severed artery from the gunshot wound to his thigh.
Investigators said Hetrick's mother and an aunt in Antioch showed
detectives seven bottles of prescription drugs that Hetrick had stopped
taking. His mother described him as dangerous to himself and others when
he wasn't taking medication.
Hetrick was found guilty in the shooting death of his best friend in
Antioch in October 1984 and sentenced the following March to 27 years to
life in prison, authorities said.
He initially was sentenced to Atascadero State Hospital but also spent
time at other state hospitals and was deemed insane under California
law.
Authorities said Hetrick had been arrested on drug charges as recently
as January but was released from state supervision in California about
three months before the Gardnerville break-in.
ShaiVong
Member
I don't bother with the Enfield, but the AR15 sits in the corner with a 10 rnd BM mag in the well and the bolt locked back ready to be slapped into battery.
Sven
Senior Member
All I can say is that it is nice having 17+1 on tap with my Glock.
Also glad I'm getting some training and learning how to make each shot count.
Well good guy wins, bad guy loses. Regardless of how he did it, he did it hats off to him with using what he had to protect his family.
I am suprised I have not seen the
"He should have had a (insert caliber of choice), nothing else works, that puny 357 Magnum is BS!"
or even better
"He should have been using (insert favorite ammo), everyone knows that crappy Hydra Shock has no effect on a person!"
or my personal favorite
"Why did he have a S&W revolver, a (insert favorite brand and model) would have stopped the bad guy at the door!"
You guys know the posts.
How come no one is ragging on a 357 Magnum?
Proabley because everyone realizes there are no magic tools only dedicated carpenters.
So all that caliber chatter is junk. Any service caliber 38 SPL or above will work with a dedciated carpenter.
I am suprised I have not seen the
"He should have had a (insert caliber of choice), nothing else works, that puny 357 Magnum is BS!"
or even better
"He should have been using (insert favorite ammo), everyone knows that crappy Hydra Shock has no effect on a person!"
or my personal favorite
"Why did he have a S&W revolver, a (insert favorite brand and model) would have stopped the bad guy at the door!"
You guys know the posts.
How come no one is ragging on a 357 Magnum?
Proabley because everyone realizes there are no magic tools only dedicated carpenters.
So all that caliber chatter is junk. Any service caliber 38 SPL or above will work with a dedciated carpenter.
Hardtarget
Member
I won't say one thing against this guy. He showed himself to be a MAN.
He "stood in the breach", fought for his family, killed the invader. I hope I can do as well if the need ever arises. God bless him.
Mark.
He "stood in the breach", fought for his family, killed the invader. I hope I can do as well if the need ever arises. God bless him.
Mark.
Covey Rise
Member
this reinforces basic physics
The handgun is not a good choice for home defense because even a .357 mag (we hope he loaded it with .38's Fed Hydas for the love of magnum power) which is ballistically one of the top handgun stopping rounds available does not stop a BG consistently without hitting a nervous system area.
So now if your a feller who uses a handgun for primary home defense and you don't own a shotgun, I would hussle on down to the store and by a $200 pump 12 ga because on the streets the BG's can buy one for $100 and then come in your house and after you shoot him 5 times with your .357 mag, takes his sweet time lines up his sights real good and ok, you get the idea.
this is purely for amusement, ok!
Well anyway the lesson is keep the 12 loaded and handy.
The handgun is not a good choice for home defense because even a .357 mag (we hope he loaded it with .38's Fed Hydas for the love of magnum power) which is ballistically one of the top handgun stopping rounds available does not stop a BG consistently without hitting a nervous system area.
So now if your a feller who uses a handgun for primary home defense and you don't own a shotgun, I would hussle on down to the store and by a $200 pump 12 ga because on the streets the BG's can buy one for $100 and then come in your house and after you shoot him 5 times with your .357 mag, takes his sweet time lines up his sights real good and ok, you get the idea.
this is purely for amusement, ok! Well anyway the lesson is keep the 12 loaded and handy.
brownie0486
Member
You don't call 911 to protect you, what gave you that idea?
Brownie
Brownie
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Keep the shotgun loaded and ready to fire.
Trying to chamber any gun under stress just before a gunfight is a bad idea.
Trying to chamber any gun under stress just before a gunfight is a bad idea.
There is no doubt that the shotgun is the better choice for home defense, but the guy did okay, and that's what really matters.
Personally, I keep my S&W 586 around for defense. I like the weapon, I practice with it regularily, and it's very reliable. Of course, I also back that up with a Hi-Cap Browning BDM. My place has pretty narrow hallways, and strange corners. The shotgun would be hard to wield in such confines.
And remember, its good to have an assortment of hand weapons at your disposal. Like the dual-purpose mag-lite/crack-your-skull-club. The Mag-Lite is still a very respectable tooth rattler. Also, it is nice to have a decent fighting knife at hand as well.
I also keep a nice little chunk of oak which resembles a heavy chair leg with a lanyard loop. I found it at my late uncle's house, where it had been placed in an easily accessible location. Whoa to the man on the receiving end of the chair leg...
Juat a note on the BDM: Browning made on of the best Hi-Cap 9mm pistols ever in the BDM. It's great. I have heard that some people have experienced problems with it, but mine has been very good to me. And, it handles so much nicer than the Glock. Not that I mean any offense to the Glock people...
Personally, I keep my S&W 586 around for defense. I like the weapon, I practice with it regularily, and it's very reliable. Of course, I also back that up with a Hi-Cap Browning BDM. My place has pretty narrow hallways, and strange corners. The shotgun would be hard to wield in such confines.
And remember, its good to have an assortment of hand weapons at your disposal. Like the dual-purpose mag-lite/crack-your-skull-club. The Mag-Lite is still a very respectable tooth rattler. Also, it is nice to have a decent fighting knife at hand as well.
I also keep a nice little chunk of oak which resembles a heavy chair leg with a lanyard loop. I found it at my late uncle's house, where it had been placed in an easily accessible location. Whoa to the man on the receiving end of the chair leg...
Juat a note on the BDM: Browning made on of the best Hi-Cap 9mm pistols ever in the BDM. It's great. I have heard that some people have experienced problems with it, but mine has been very good to me. And, it handles so much nicer than the Glock. Not that I mean any offense to the Glock people...
I think the homeowner did OK...little injury to self/loved ones, and "took out the trash". But I still prefer my 1911-A1 as 'first line of defense", backed up by the Maverick-Mossy 12-ga, then the Most Serious
Artillery...the US Rifle Cal .30 M-1
Artillery...the US Rifle Cal .30 M-1
I have the 6 D-cell version, AKA 'The Whoop-@zz Light"
Pinned&Recessed
Member
I got one too!!! Whenever people see it, they damn near crap themselves and ask if I'm "compensating".
I've actually gotten so used to the thing's length that my "Gold-Standard" 3 D-cell Maglite looks tiny.
Nero Steptoe
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Yeah, that psyco (or some doped-up crackhead) probably would have retreated in horror at the sound of your cycling your shotgun's action! The time taken to chamber a round might well be the split second advantage that you'd need in the real world to save your life.
TheOtherOne
Member
I agree in a situation like this it would of been best to have a loaded shotgun, but alot of times when you just here a noise downstairs like someone has broke in and you get up and pump the shotgun it might scare the average burglar off.
There's got to be some place between safely keeping a shotgun up on the top shelf and not worrying about uninformed guests picking it up out of curiousity and pulling the trigger.
I want less of a chance of a stupid neighbor blowing their head off so I'll take my chances that I'll have the second to chamber a shell if I really do need it.
There's got to be some place between safely keeping a shotgun up on the top shelf and not worrying about uninformed guests picking it up out of curiousity and pulling the trigger.
I want less of a chance of a stupid neighbor blowing their head off so I'll take my chances that I'll have the second to chamber a shell if I really do need it.
Ryder
Member
Holy cow! The guy must have had enough blood in him to fill a 55gal drum if he was bleeding from a severed leg artery. A normal person would last maybe 20-30 seconds?
I'm 100% with Brownie on the headshot issue. I've an additional reason though. Less odds that a headshot will cause suffering. Can't recall any deaths I've caused which haunt me but sufferings do have a sort of unpleasant permanance in my memories.
This defender should have had a big knife or sword handy. He destroyed a perfectly good shotgun? Oh well, happy endings are what count.
Ryder
Member
double post :banghead:
WonderNine
member
Yes, I used to buy the stuff all the time at the sporting goods store until I realized that just because it's the most expensive .357 ammo their doesn't mean it's the best.
I used to buy the 130gr. stuff. Advertised as 490 ft./lbs of energy on the side of the plastic 25 round box. Not super hot, but hotter than a Remington Golden Saber .357.
Personally I prefer the 125gr. Remington Golden Sabers though because of less noise and recoil, and they seem to have a track record of always expanding, unlike the Hydrashocks. They're loaded to about 400 ft./lbs which is the exact same as Remington's old "Medium Velocity" .357's.
The top .357 load for defense IMO is Fiocchi's hot 148gr. load.
Anyone else hear that Federal is discontinueing their Hydrashock ammo? Interesting....
WonderNine
member
But don't bet on it.
Daedalus
Member
I put a post it on mine that says "I Am Loaded."
BluesBear
member
Rossi Coach Gun with 6 extra rounds in a buttcuff.
Totally safe until you cock the hammers and pull the trigger. And I can tell you from experience that the sight of BOTH of those big muzzles will make your average scumbag thing twice. Of course, if confronted with a psycho as described in the beginning of this thread, the double trigger, double barrel offers the fastest 2nd shot available.
Totally safe until you cock the hammers and pull the trigger. And I can tell you from experience that the sight of BOTH of those big muzzles will make your average scumbag thing twice. Of course, if confronted with a psycho as described in the beginning of this thread, the double trigger, double barrel offers the fastest 2nd shot available.
Aikibiker
Member
I don't have much experience with shotguns, so take this with a whole ton of salt.
I am not so sure it is wise to rely on being able to flip off the safety on a defensive shotgun while under the kind of stress one experiences during a home invasion. The gross body movement of pumping a shell into the chamber from a loaded magazine seems a safer bet to me. Of course I am making the assumption that you store your HD shotties with the safety on. This may not be the case.
But if you have the training and experience to make this work more power to you. If I ever keep a shotgun around for HD I will go for a loaded magazine/empty chamber. It is a better fit for me, and I have not run into a shotgun yet that had a safety that was easy for me to flip off as I was getting a grip on it. Once held firmly in the hand sure, while fumbling around trying to get a good grip on it and swing to bear on the threat? I don't want to be feeling around for a little piece of metal in an odd (to this non-shotgunner anyway) place.
My $.02 make what you will of it.
Or better yet try it out sometime. With your SG UNLOADED and on the other side of the room in whatever condition you normally store it, do 35-50 pushups (the point of the this is to get rubbery arms and fingers that don't do what they are told all the time) As soon as you finish your pushups RUN to you shotgun, grab it up, make it ready to fire, then aim and dryfire it. See if the way you normally store your gun works under these conditions. If it does, good keep it that way. If you find your self fumbling or having a hard time getting it to work, then maybe you need to reevaluate the way you do things.
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IMPORTANT: If you do what I described above make sure your gun is unloaded and always pointed in a safe direction. Perhaps use your TV as a backstop. They work really well for this and you probably watch to much TV anyways.
EVEN MORE IMPORTANT (from my point of view anyway): By reading this you agree not to hold me liable for any new holes that magically appear in yourself, your friends and family, or your property.
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Good luck and let us know how it turns out.
I am not so sure it is wise to rely on being able to flip off the safety on a defensive shotgun while under the kind of stress one experiences during a home invasion. The gross body movement of pumping a shell into the chamber from a loaded magazine seems a safer bet to me. Of course I am making the assumption that you store your HD shotties with the safety on. This may not be the case.
But if you have the training and experience to make this work more power to you. If I ever keep a shotgun around for HD I will go for a loaded magazine/empty chamber. It is a better fit for me, and I have not run into a shotgun yet that had a safety that was easy for me to flip off as I was getting a grip on it. Once held firmly in the hand sure, while fumbling around trying to get a good grip on it and swing to bear on the threat? I don't want to be feeling around for a little piece of metal in an odd (to this non-shotgunner anyway) place.
My $.02 make what you will of it.
Or better yet try it out sometime. With your SG UNLOADED and on the other side of the room in whatever condition you normally store it, do 35-50 pushups (the point of the this is to get rubbery arms and fingers that don't do what they are told all the time) As soon as you finish your pushups RUN to you shotgun, grab it up, make it ready to fire, then aim and dryfire it. See if the way you normally store your gun works under these conditions. If it does, good keep it that way. If you find your self fumbling or having a hard time getting it to work, then maybe you need to reevaluate the way you do things.
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IMPORTANT: If you do what I described above make sure your gun is unloaded and always pointed in a safe direction. Perhaps use your TV as a backstop. They work really well for this and you probably watch to much TV anyways.
EVEN MORE IMPORTANT (from my point of view anyway): By reading this you agree not to hold me liable for any new holes that magically appear in yourself, your friends and family, or your property.
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Good luck and let us know how it turns out.
Jeff Timm
Member
As I recall the average police gunfight back in the wheelgun days, officers fired six rounds for two hits.
This citizen fired five times for three hits.
Police: 33% hits
Citizen: 60% hits
"He'll do to ride the river."
Geoff
Who hopes, if, ghod forbid, he's in a similar position he does as well with the nine rounds in his .45. (8 in the mag, one in the chamber.)
This citizen fired five times for three hits.
Police: 33% hits
Citizen: 60% hits
"He'll do to ride the river."
Geoff
Who hopes, if, ghod forbid, he's in a similar position he does as well with the nine rounds in his .45. (8 in the mag, one in the chamber.)
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