Three Killed in Connecticut Home Invasion

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The whole northeast is anti-gun

obviously a statement made in ignorance of the facts, as they plainly exist.

Maine & NH are both shall issue and both have strong constitutional protection of gun rights. Strong personal protection laws (castle doctrine). In Maine....your legally justified to use deadly force if some one is "on your property" and you have reasonable fear for your safety.

Vermont is tied w/ Alaska for having the best gun laws in the nation.

Don't paint the rest of New England Kennedy yellow or NY pink.

CT knew better, but gave up the fight (IMHO) when they succombed to the liberal clamor for more government services and voted in their income tax some 15 odd years ago.

My theory on sheeple is evolving.....

I'm thinking more and more that they just don't like to get there hands dirty doing the "hard unpleasant work" of taking care of problems themselves. So they outsource "personal security" to the Police, much in the same way they call a plumber to come when their toilet is stuffed full of to much $#^*. I suspect most, don't even have a plunger (dirty smelly unpleasant tool that it is) in their home.

CT has the death penalty

so does NH, but they chose not to use it.
 
This is so horrible.

it surely is....

Special place in Hell for these two.

you better believe it.....regardless of what the state of CT does, these bums aren't getting away with a thing in the long run. Maybe if they had been taught that when they were young they would have thought twice about their "career choice"


When I hear or read these articles I want to kill the perps myself. Is that bad?

IMO, no, it's the "natural" reaction for a person with a God given sense of justice, that hasn't been quenched by failed human philosophy.
 
stevelyn said:
Yeah......Like surviving and living with the fact they died because you were unprepared or too stupid to defend them.

This is one heck of an assumption.

You derived a lack of resistance from the fact that he lived? :uhoh:
 
I'm thinking more and more that they just don't like to get there hands dirty doing the "hard unpleasant work" of taking care of problems themselves
Um, I predict that there will be a surge of inquiries at gun shops across CT over the next several days.

My part of CT is relatively pro gun compared to the Southwestern part of the State.
 
i'm sorry to say that the story gets worse.

whatever happened to truth in sentencing?

CHESHIRE - Police have identified a 26-year-old Cheshire man and a 44-year-old Winsted man, both with long criminal histories, as suspects in a horrific home invasion in which a mother and her two daughters died Monday.

Joshua Komisarjevsky, 26, of 840 North Brooksdale Road, Cheshire, and Steven Hayes, 44, of 5-H Horn Ave., Winsted, each face a multitude of charges, including first-degree aggravated sexual assault and first-degree kidnapping. State police said the investigation is continuing and that more charges will be filed.

The men are being held on $15 million bail each for an appearance today in Superior Court in Meriden.............

......Komisarjevsky is charged with one count each of first-degree assault, first-degree aggravated sexual assault, first-degree burglary, first-degree arson, conspiracy to commit arson in the first-degree, first-degree robbery and risk of injury to a minor, plus two counts of first-degree larceny and four counts of first-degree kidnapping.

In 2002 Komisarjevsky was sentenced to nine years in prison with six years' special parole on numerous burglary charges. Police said he would break into homes in the Bristol area wearing military night vision goggles, and steal electronic items while his victims slept. He chose his houses carefully and would wear latex gloves so as not to leave fingerprints, police said..

Hayes is charged with one count each of first-degree aggravated sexual assault, first-degree burglary, first-degree arson, conspiracy to commit arson in the first-degree, first-degree robbery and risk of injury to a minor, plus two counts of first-degree larceny and four counts of first-degree kidnapping.

He has a long history of burglary and larceny convictions going back 25 years.

Investigators found a car - believed to belong to one of the suspects - in the Quarry Village subdivision about 1-1/2 miles away.
On Monday, investigators had not determined what brought the men to the Petits' home.
 
It's a wonder.
Our judicial system sure is something else isn't it? These guys sound like career criminals, yet we give them chance after chance. Now this.
Just shake my head.
 
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Pax points out in one article that there are worse things than dying for your family.

Yeah......Like surviving and living with the fact they died because you were unprepared or too stupid to defend them.


No need to heap yet more coals on the head of a man who will suffer from this for the rest of his life. AFAIK none of us know him, and none of us know anything about his family's level of preparedness to deal with any sort of situation like this at all. Every human suffers lapses in awareness and shortcomings in preparedness, and sometimes a momentary lapse is all it takes for tragedy to strike.

If there is a lesson to be learned here it is that multiple layers of security are a better approach to living in today's world. Fences with locked gates can help keep would-be intruders at bay. Good home security practices using proven techniques of construction and design are a given. Electronic security systems can help a lot, if they are used habitually. Improvements in communications technology are widespread and relatively inexpensive. Dogs are wonderful additions to a family in more ways than one. A proper mindset and attitude is essential for each family member, and training and practice in defensive tactics are useful for each family member old enough to deal with them.

We don't know what this family had or didn't have, what they did or didn't do. We only know that they were victims of horrible crimes. That knowledge can provide impetus for each of us to vow, "Not my family. Not ever," and to do those things necessary to see to it that our loved ones are wrapped in overlapping layers of security.

lpl/nc
 
The second I read the age of the daughters, new it was hours long, I just knew this would be the outcome. MFERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Parole IS WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just last night my daughter who knows never to answer the door, told me someone was at the door. First thing I did was grab my P239 and head for the door. I don't know why, but I felt danger. I look through the peep hole and it's some twelve year old kid selling stuff. Still, I'm cautious.

I don;t know if this is a good thing or bad. Lately, it feels like we are all under siege, or maybe I just read too much.
 
No Cosmo, it is just fine. Our weak liberal judicial system however cannot do the math, and look what happened. This is why if I were to ever appoint judges, I would use a litmus test. No bleeding hearts allowed in for starters.

Question: Is 1st degree sexual assault legalese for rape? I hope not, but like Scorp, I had a bad feeling I knew what was happening to some young girls for a few hours.
 
COSMOLINE - "Stuff like this happens all the time. The only unusual element was the victims were upper crust and well known in the community."

Most people who live in "upper crust" communities are naive people who live in denial.

"This is a nice place. Things like that don't happen here." :eek:

Frankly, it's not at all unusual for the criminals to hit "nice," upscale neighborhoods.

I am always reminded of the interview years ago where a reporter asked the infamous bank robber, Willie Sutton, "Willie, why do you rob banks?"

Sutton shrugged and said, "'Cause that's where the money is."

"Nice" communities are where the money is. Ripe for the picking.

L.W.
 
No Cosmo, it is just fine. Our weak liberal judicial system however cannot do the math, and look what happened. This is why if I were to ever appoint judges, I would use a litmus test. No bleeding hearts allowed in for starters.

We have the largest prison population in the world, and use incarceration more frequently than much of the world. Our per capita rate is also the highest in the world.
http://www.kcl.ac.uk/depsta/rel/icps/worldbrief/highest_to_lowest_rates.html

Now some places have tried to have a zero tolerance, kill them all, and make them productive in the meantime policy. Nazi Germany is a good example. Very bad place to be a criminal. But if you only care about statistics, that would be one of the more effective examples. Humane and ethical has to come into question. Don't forget at any time you could suddenly become one of the criminals yourself. What do you think would happen when they come for your guns if you resist? If you survive they will lock you away and throw away the key in the system that you encouraged to exist.
What if you defend yourself in a just shoot, but the jury, which is just a random number of people does not see it that way in your future? I bet you would want it to be fairly humane in those circumstances.
Creating a police state where anyone that steps out of line can be thrown away forever is not going to safegaurd your freedom or safety either. Just give you another danger to be concerned about.

The truth is the amount of violent criminals, nevermind all criminals, is so large that locking them all up is impractical. Making them somewhat behave while locked up requires decent incentive. Keeping track and have the right to follow them around and keep tabs on them when they get out requires releasing them while they still have time over thier heads so they can be detained at anyone's discretion for questionable yet legal activities and told what to do.
These two individuals were not even violent criminals according to the information above prior to this. They were burglars, a non violent offense.

There is a reason why they have good time, and why they have parole. It is not just a reward, but a way to allow greater control over the individuals that are seen to pose less risk when they are released, as some have to be released.
If they are not paroled, then they get out and disappear with no oversight, and no accountability to anyone. It is just at a later date.
When good time only is for a very small % of the sentence, it stops serving as incentive whatsoever and they don't behave, don't let the small percent trying to change do so, and in general become worse while locked up.


The truth is you cannot stop criminals with some magical change in the legal system. You can keep them away from society longer so identified ones do thier victimization in prison against gaurds and other inmates, and not society, but the problem does not go away, and it costs a lot of the money.
When they get out they inevitably screw some women, make some children that will grow up to a single mother living in a poor area and have a high chance of turning out just like them. Then they go back to prison when the commit a new crime.

The only real solution is making criminal acts of violence very unattractive because the criminals are surrounded by people that can hurt them when they don't expect it while commiting such crimes.

You cannot stop crime contrary to that never ending goal governments feed to you for increased budgets and acceptance of lesser freedoms. You can simply allow people ways to deal with it so the impact is has is smaller.


Question: Is 1st degree sexual assault legalese for rape? I hope not, but like Scorp, I had a bad feeling I knew what was happening to some young girls for a few hours.
Yes it is. Those women went through some awful things for a long time. 911 didn't protect them. It would have been great if someone could have stopped them with a bullet. Unfortunately as is often the case, a household must depend on itself for defense.

.....................i sleep better at night since the security system went in.
That is just a personal alert, not a lifeline. In fact in CA they won't even respond to house alarms anymore because the majority of police time was being spent on false alarms when house alarms would go off. Now the alarm company calls by telephone and if they get no reply they just ignore it as there is nothing more that can be done without confirmation that a crime is in progress.

People have to be willing to stand up for themselves and others. That is all that protects us. Many people like to leave scary or unwanted tasks to other people. They would rather trade in rights, and freedom and liberty as long as someone can assure them they won't have to get their own hands dirty. Guess what? Empty promises, but the disappearing rights are real. The safeguards to freedom and liberty being taken for those empty promises are real.

Crime exists, has existed since prehistory, and predators will always be born, be created out of previously seemingly normal individuals, and proceed to victimize others. Being able to deal with it is the answer. You cannot just make it "go away".
 
I am holding my judgement on this case until more facts come out. Due to the fact that this scenario is normally a popular M.O. for the upper class folks when they want to get rid of other family members. I don't know anyone involved in this case, but the usual pattern is to hire known BG's, give them access to the home to carry out the crime, main ringleader usually escapes the whole ordeal, and of course VERY LARGE insurance policies are involved.
I would guess that they were each insured for $10K per person, you think??
Tragic, but I'm just waiting for the full investigation. If my hunch is right, then I might make $10K.
 
My mothers coworker lives in back of there property, and he took the day off to stay with the family cause of the grief, I guess one of his daughters played with one of the younger ones and were friends. Although Cheshire is kind of a snooty town, it is a very quiet beautiful town, and this has made things different. For all that are wondering why they have not charged them with homicide, they need to conduct an autopsy first to gather enough evidence to file that charge so it holds up more in court, give it a few days and that charge will prob be added.
To believe it or not, a lot of people in CT have loaded guns in there house, or at least that I know. It's sad to see this could have all been avoided if the family had been able to defend themselves sufficiently. My guess is, her being a nurse and him being a Dr. they “may ”have frowned down apon firearms ownership or saw it as un-useful. Either way its sad beyond words and I just hope justice meets with these men, and they get there proper judgment.
Godbless
 
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I am holding my judgement on this case until more facts come out. Due to the fact that this scenario is normally a popular M.O. for the upper class folks when they want to get rid of other family members.

Always a possibility. You never know and have to be open to all angles in an investigation.


and of course VERY LARGE insurance policies are involved.
I would guess that they were each insured for $10K per person, you think??
This is something often funny to me that is used in court so often as motive. 10k is nothing, the funeral and cost of burial for them will probably total around that.
100k would not be that much either. Consider a wife with a $100,000 policy on a husband that makes six figures per year. Assuming they are living to the extent of thier means like most Americans and the bills they have every year total about the amount he makes, this means him dying would leave her with less than a years worth of money. If she was a house wife, raising children, she will have to sell the home she cannot afford, try to find some job with the skills she has that pays decent, and no longer be able to directly raise her children. So her husband dying actualy just lowered her quality of life, and at the most gave her around a year to adjust before she is completely on her own.
A higher policy would give a slightly longer grace period. Yet such a policy automaticly becomes a motive for murder?

The median price of a home these days is half a million dollars (CA real estate). This means the breadwinner she has depended on her whole life suddenly dying wouldn't even pay off the home's mortgage.

In this specific situation, this physician that probably makes quite a bit more himself still would have the nurse's income figured into the budget and is probably dependent on it to meet his bills (living to extent of means). Assuming around a $10k funeral (they are ridiculously overpriced) and she makes around 35k a year (median price), that means he would need a 45k policy on her to get by a year in the unlikely event she died without being financialy impacted, which is kinda the whole point of life insurance right? To be less financialy impacted in the case of someone's death? So a 50k life insurance policy on her would not be that insane. If they got life insurance on a child it should at least be enough to pay the funeral costs. So even a good 70k+ insurance policy going to this guy does not imply guilt or motive.

Life insurance policies, even what appear to be large ones are not as big of an incentive as prosecutors and court TV want you to believe. Sure there is circumstances and cases where it is, but there is even more where it is just coincidental.
 
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nate392 said:
My guess is, her being a nurse and him being a Dr. they “may” have frowned down upon firearms ownership or saw it as un-useful.

I was thinking along the same lines. Too bad if so.

My wife, who doesn't share my enthusiasm for firearms, remarked this evening that this horrible event is going to drive more people to obtain their CT pistol permits. Thank the Lord she already has hers.
 
Found update on another thread. The girls were tied to thier beds in thier bedrooms and at least one was raped. They then had fuel poured around the room they were in and likely were burned alive.
CHESHIRE - The two girls were tied to their beds. Sources say at least one was raped. The two men also poured gasoline all around the second floor bedrooms of the two girls and lit the rooms on fire.

Relatives of the Petits released a brief statement that read: "Our precious family members have been the victims of horrible, senseless, violent assaults. We are understandably in shock and overwhelmed with sadness as we attempt to gather together to support one another and recognize these wonderful, giving beautiful individuals who have been so cruelly taken from us."

Police were dispatched to the house about 9:20 a.m. after Jennifer Hawke-Petit was forced by one of the suspects to drive to a local bank branch to get money. Hawke-Petit was able to alert a teller that her family was being held hostage because the suspect who went with her waited outside. At the bank, Hawke-Petit withdrew $15,000 from a bank account. The money was later found in the family vehicle the suspects used to flee.
As police were closing in on the Deaconwood neighborhood of half-million-dollar homes, the two men jumped in the family's Chrysler Pacifica SUV parked in the driveway. The fleeing suspects rammed a police cruiser that tried to cut them off in front of the house and continued west on Sorghum toward a police roadblock about a block away.

Sgt. Chris Cote and Officer Tom Wright, both members of the department's SWAT team, had left their cars at the roadblock and were headed toward the house armed with semiautomatic rifles. Officer Jeff Sutherland was positioned at the roadblock.
Instead of slowing for the roadblock, the fleeing suspects gunned the SUV's engine and raced toward Sutherland. The SUV slammed into two police cruisers in the center of the roadblock. Their front ends mangled, the police cars spun apart from each other on impact. Sutherland escaped injury. The Pacifica, front end damaged and airbags deployed, rolled 30 feet before stopping against a neighbor's manicured lawn.

Officers, guns drawn, swarmed the vehicle and pulled the suspects out.

Komisarjevsky is charged with one count each of first-degree assault, first-degree aggravated sexual assault, first-degree burglary, first-degree arson, conspiracy to commit arson in the first-degree, first-degree robbery and risk of injury to a minor, plus two counts of first-degree larceny and four counts of first-degree kidnapping.
Corrections Department records show Komisarjevsky was sentenced in January 2003 to nine years in prison for second-degree burglary. He was released to a halfway house in June 2006 and was granted parole 3½ months ago. Official records show several spellings for Komisarjevsky's name.

Hayes is charged with one count each of first-degree aggravated sexual assault, first-degree burglary, first-degree arson, conspiracy to commit arson in the first-degree, first-degree robbery and risk of injury to a minor, plus two counts of first-degree larceny and four counts of first-degree kidnapping.

His criminal record dates back to at least 1980. In October 2003, he was sentenced to five years in prison for third-degree burglary. In June 2006 he was released to a halfway house, but was sent back to prison five months later for drug use. He was granted parole less than three months ago.
Corrections officials said in a statement that both suspects "were deemed to be appropriate candidates for supervised parole in the community based on their criminal history, which involved the minimum level of violence." Both suspects were on a weekly reporting schedule with their parole officers "and had been in full compliance with the requirements of their release, including being employed on a fulltime basis."

Brian Garnett, a corrections department spokesman, would not say where the two men were employed.

Department of Correction Capt. Edward Ramsey said neither man had been incarcerated at the same prison facility at the same time during their time behind bars.
Robert Pidgeon, chief executive officer of Community Solutions Inc., which runs Silliman House and six other halfway houses as part of a $4 million contract with the Department of Corrections, said he doubted the two men were assigned to the same employer while at the halfway house, but said, "They certainly saw each other."

Although Pidgeon said he did not have a detailed report of their behavior and performance at Silliman House, he said he doubted there were problems prior to Hayes' failing the urine test.

"I can tell they [corrections] would yank them back quickly if there was a problem," Pidgeon said. "They're very good about that." Pidgeon said the profile of a typical CSI client is "a younger, non-violent individual with a history of drug use or alcohol dependency." When it was noted that Hayes, who is 44, didn't quite fit that description, Pidgeon said, "He's older than the inmate population in general. It's a young bunch."

Although corrections officials described each man as having a "minimal violence history," Pidgeon emphasized that their prior criminal histories involved burglary. "That's going into an occupied premises for the purpose of committing a felony," he said.

At a sentencing hearing for Komisarjevsky in 2002, authorities involved in the case said he would wear military night vision goggles and break into homes to steal electronic items while his victims slept.

The judge, James Bentivegna, called Komisarjevsky a "cold, calculating predator." The prosecutor in the case, Ronald Dearstyne, said at the time that Komisarjevsky began robbing homes when he was 14 in Cheshire. Dearstyne told the judge that Komisarjevsky would carry a military backpack, equipped with items including a knife, to rip through window screens.
CHESHIRE - Komisarjevsky had told police he burglarized homes to pay for a drug habit. But the prosecutor and judge said his actions were more calculating than those of a junkie needing cash for a fix. At his sentencing, Komisarjevsky apologized to his victims.

Komisarjevsky's home on North Brooksvale Road is about two miles from the Petits home. A man at the North Brooksvale address gave the Courant a written statement Tuesday morning but would not answer questions. The statement read: "This is an absolute tragedy. Our deepest sympathy goes out to the Petit family and all those whose lives they touched. We cannot understand what would have made something like this happen. There is nothing else we can say at this time."

Hayes has a long history of burglary and larceny convictions going back 25 years, and accumulated 23 disciplinary actions while in prison dating back to the 1980s, authorities said in court today.
Investigators found a car - believed to belong to one of the suspects - in the Quarry Village subdivision about 1-1/2 miles away from the Petits'.

On Monday, investigators had not determined what brought the men to the Petits' home.

William Petit was listed in serious but stable condition at St. Mary's Hospital in Waterbury Monday night. Officials at St. Mary's Tuesday evening declined to give out any new information on his condition.

Neighbor Kim Ferraiolo said she had just spoken to William Petit about 7:30 p.m. Sunday and nothing seemed amiss.

"They were the nicest people, just a great family," said Ferraiolo, who moved next door about three years ago.

Ferraiolo said a neighbor alerted her to the fire Monday morning and she tried to call Petit at work, but was told he never showed. She said Petit likes to tend to his flower beds and "has a great sense of humor."

Ferraiolo, like other stunned neighbors, tried to understand why the Petits' home was picked. "It's just hard to understand how someone could do something like that."

Investigators believe the two men barged into the home sometime after 3 a.m. and held family members hostage for hours, sources close to the case said. Shortly after businesses opened at 9 a.m., one of the men took Jennifer Hawke-Petit to the Bank of America branch office in Maplecroft Plaza several miles away and forced her to withdraw money.

Shortly after they returned to the house - as police were racing to the scene - the suspects set fire to the residence and fled. Cheshire Town Manager Michael Milone praised police and firefighters for risking their lives responding to a dangerous crime scene.

Neighbors said that shortly after the fire was extinguished, a firefighter climbed a ladder to enter a second-floor bedroom window in search of possible victims and then quickly backed out. Police SWAT team members then moved in and secured the home, witnesses said.

"I just can't say enough good things about how proud I am of our police officers and firefighters," Milone said. He credited his police officers for making a quick arrest.

"They exemplified the best in public service," Milone said. "Without their great work this could have been a far worse tragedy." William Petit, 50, is a prominent endocrinologist and medical director of the Joslin Diabetes Center Affiliate at The Hospital of Central Connecticut in New Britain. He is a past president of the state chapter of the American Diabetes Association and was elected to the ADA Hall of Merit in 1994.

Jennifer Hawke-Petit, 48, was a nurse and co-director of the Richmond Health Center at Cheshire Academy. She had been a nurse at Yale-New Haven Hospital and was a Penn State graduate. She also had been involved with the Girl Scouts and Habitat for Humanity.
At Cheshire Academy, a private day and boarding school, she was considered a friend, a peer and a confidant for students as well as a health care provider.

"If anybody ever wanted someone taking care of the kids when they were not right there with you, it was her," said Philip Moore, the school's director of communications. "She was a mom and a health care professional. That's how she approached her job." Hayley Petit graduated in June from Miss Porter's, where she was co-editor in chief of Chautauqua, the school's "journal of scholarly writing." She was also co-captain of the crew team and a member of the cross country and basketball teams. She was set to attend Dartmouth College, her father's alma mater, where she planned to study medicine.

Jennifer Hawke-Petit was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis eight years ago. The family was active in the Connecticut chapter of the Multiple Sclerosis Society and Hayley had formed a fundraising team called "Hayley's Hope" that raised more than $54,000 for the cause over the past eight years.

Michaela was looking to continue her older sister's legacy by adding "Michaela's Miracle" to the campaign.

Furthermore the feather in serious condition in the hospital and the thugs armed with baseball bats likely means this guy likely took some serious blows to the head. Supposedly he came out of the house pretty out of it while it was on fire. Should make for a death penalty case for the perps.
 
Zoogster makes some very good points. However, IMO rape and murder should make you eligible for the needle in all states. However, I am not an advocate of killing everyone or summary executions, there are an awful lot of cases in which death row inmates turn out to be innocent and were convicted on suspicious evidence.
 
My part of CT is relatively pro gun compared to the Southwestern part of the State.

Believe it or not, south west ct isn't as anti as many think. In fact the whole state is fairly conservative with the exception of its big cities, which make it appear more liberal than it is. There are many small towns, like where I grew up in Oxford, that are conservative and have extremely high gun ownership rates throughout the state. Its unfortunate that there are so many yuppies and city slickers that do not know any better to ruin it for the rest of us.

Perhaps if we could get a castle doctrine, tragedies like this would be far less frequent if not eliminated.
 
Connecticut does have some senseless and quirky gun laws but it is a "shall issue" state and obtaining a cc permit is not difficult.
Correction - Connecticut is a "may issue" state.

This hits me very close to home, too. The mother of a good friend of mine lived in Cheshire, not far from where this took place. (She died a year ago.) My sister knew the doctor when she lived and worked in Connecticut, and my brother used to live in the neighborhood where they are saying the BG's other vehicle was found.

I haven't discussed this with my brother yet, but it'll be interesting. His wife is even more rabidly anti-gun than my wife (if that's possible). I wonder if he'll consider getting a gun of some kind either over her objections, or without bothering to tell her.
 
Special place in Hell for these two.
you better believe it.....regardless of what the state of CT does, these bums aren't getting away with a thing in the long run. Maybe if they had been taught that when they were young they would have thought twice about their "career choice"

Best leave the mythology out of this one. Whatever punishment and suffering these two deserve had better be meted out here and now. Execution or life in prison, I'm afraid, is all that surely awaits them, and once they have gone to dust they will be as much "at peace" as their victims--with the profound exception of the survivor, the father and husband, whose life from this day on will truly be hell.
 
They just released that the causes of death were smoke inhalation and strangulation. I guess no shooting evidence yet.
 
Hey Zoogster,
Earlier I was just being sarcastic about the $10K insurance. I see how you were trying to figure out the values, but c'mon now. I am no doctor, made $45K per year and if I left this earth tomorrow; my wife would have walked off with a smooth $500K in insurance policy. ALL FOR AROUND $50 A MONTH with job insurance. You pay Supplementals and multiples (x3 or X4) on my salary. He was a DOCTOR!!!!! How much is 4X his salary???!!!!!

What is that old saying? MONEY IS THE ROOT OF ALL (most) EVIL.


And lastly, there are too many inconsistencies so far for me. Everyone is dead and he is not. Everyone is shot and he is not, just clubbed. He stands to get paid big time on insurance policy and nobody else.

Now, I maybe wrong but need proof since this scenario has happened too many times in the past. And people still try to pull it off, no matter how smart they think they are and how they will not be caught.
 
Maybe true but CT (IMHO) is a very gun unfriendly state and people living in the 'burbs will certainly not be home defense savvy. They have been trained to believe that 911 is the answer to home defense. CT does have boonies and attitudes are different there.

Yes, as a resident of the CT "boonies", attitudes are very different here. The part of the state towards NYC is very different. Lots of money and the attitude that the government will protect you. Around here there is more of a "take care of yourself" attitude.
 
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