V1ROT8
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Purchased a Hi-Point 45 for around $150 new. Has done everything I have asked it to do. Lifetime warranty if anything does go bad.
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Throw Away Guns
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Trader Ray
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Honestly, I dont know a hole lot about at the different types of shots. I have had a few home defense weapons over the years, and luckily have not had to use them other than getting them broke in and learning the gun itself. I was just shown some type of shot shell in 22 last week and it put 25 holes through a soda can and so I picked up some for my couple of 22lrs.
Truthfully I am at the bottom end of what seems to be a very large and long learning curve. Like I posted, I am sure all of you know 95% more than I do about all of this. It is all new to me to go to ranges and shooting for a hobby. I have owned for years, just never used regularly often. Now I live in the country where I can shoot and that is where all my questions and curiosity comes from.
I dont have to carry in my pocket but usually do in order to not be standing out. I will have more questions than answers for a long time, but opinions I do have and this post was started as wanting opinions I think. Thank you for the info on the "doughnut" theory though. I really did not consider that.
Honestly, I dont know a hole lot about at the different types of shots. I have had a few home defense weapons over the years, and luckily have not had to use them other than getting them broke in and learning the gun itself. I was just shown some type of shot shell in 22 last week and it put 25 holes through a soda can and so I picked up some for my couple of 22lrs.
Truthfully I am at the bottom end of what seems to be a very large and long learning curve. Like I posted, I am sure all of you know 95% more than I do about all of this. It is all new to me to go to ranges and shooting for a hobby. I have owned for years, just never used regularly often. Now I live in the country where I can shoot and that is where all my questions and curiosity comes from.
I dont have to carry in my pocket but usually do in order to not be standing out. I will have more questions than answers for a long time, but opinions I do have and this post was started as wanting opinions I think. Thank you for the info on the "doughnut" theory though. I really did not consider that.
Shadow 7D
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Trader there is a gun for everyone
you just gotta find yours
I think the P32 is an excellent pocket pistol, it's in 32, which while less than .380 (by 6 hundredths...) it offers a good compromise with one or two finger guns, as it's not as heavy of recoil for such a light weight frame. BUT they have pocket guns up to .45 (semmerling, and yes it's a rare bird) So, go to the store and see what fits you, don't get stuck on price, some very big and expensive names are known to be like harleys, a good starting point, but you need half again what you paid to get it to work right ..em kimber.. so if a cheaper (or less expensive gun) might need some tweaking, that's life.
you just gotta find yours
I think the P32 is an excellent pocket pistol, it's in 32, which while less than .380 (by 6 hundredths...) it offers a good compromise with one or two finger guns, as it's not as heavy of recoil for such a light weight frame. BUT they have pocket guns up to .45 (semmerling, and yes it's a rare bird) So, go to the store and see what fits you, don't get stuck on price, some very big and expensive names are known to be like harleys, a good starting point, but you need half again what you paid to get it to work right ..em kimber.. so if a cheaper (or less expensive gun) might need some tweaking, that's life.
BRE346
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Tipoc has the name right. It's a savior for the cop's mistake. And, like the man said, it must be untraceable to any good guy. Not easy to do any more. To use one means the thrower is in deep doodoo already and it will give him an out. To have one suggests he's going to need it someday and there surely is a bad day ahead.
Calling a little gun a throwaway is a kind of misnomer. Talking about little guns, didja know that an assassin's favorite piece is a .22 for contact shots to the head?
Calling a little gun a throwaway is a kind of misnomer. Talking about little guns, didja know that an assassin's favorite piece is a .22 for contact shots to the head?
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Usmc-1
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@BRE346 Are you speaking from experience?
Shadow 7D
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I think the largest mass murder perpetrated by a single individual (liquidation of Polish officer core under Stalin) a .25 was used.
As for the above??? source please???
As for the above??? source please???
MedWheeler
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Usmc-1:
You made the statement that a particular person who was killed by a .45 slug to the head "would be alive today" if the bullet had been a 9mm or 22LR projectile. That unsubstantiated statement was what I was responding to. It is not possible to know what the outcome in that particular case would have been since it has already taken place.
You made the statement that a particular person who was killed by a .45 slug to the head "would be alive today" if the bullet had been a 9mm or 22LR projectile. That unsubstantiated statement was what I was responding to. It is not possible to know what the outcome in that particular case would have been since it has already taken place.
MedWheeler
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Daorhgih:
The only word in English to have all the vowels, including "y", in order, and with none repeated, is "facetiously"... it is synonymous with "sarcastically" (and that is how I was addressing a previous post.)
The only word in English to have all the vowels, including "y", in order, and with none repeated, is "facetiously"... it is synonymous with "sarcastically" (and that is how I was addressing a previous post.)
I love the amount of misinformation that comes with threads like these. You've got the guy who thinks that humans have evolved to the point where nothing but a .45 is powerful enough to kill them and the guys that think that if a gun doesn't cost $300 it will leave you blind and paralyzed when you fire it.
I've had a Raven MP25 for years that has always worked great. I've had a Phoenix HP22 that worked perfectly for about 3k rounds and then had to be sent back to the factory for repair to the frame but was completely reliable and accurate for the time that it worked great, they will send you a brand new gun if you have this problem though. I've also got a pair of RG revolvers that work excellently.
The fact is that these "throw away" guns can work fine if you put a little work into them, clean them, and make sure you're getting one that hasn't been heavily used or abused before you buy it. I can also assure you that just having a gun of any kind nearby when you need it is better than hoping you're close enough to an object heavy enough to use as a bludgeon.
I've had a Raven MP25 for years that has always worked great. I've had a Phoenix HP22 that worked perfectly for about 3k rounds and then had to be sent back to the factory for repair to the frame but was completely reliable and accurate for the time that it worked great, they will send you a brand new gun if you have this problem though. I've also got a pair of RG revolvers that work excellently.
The fact is that these "throw away" guns can work fine if you put a little work into them, clean them, and make sure you're getting one that hasn't been heavily used or abused before you buy it. I can also assure you that just having a gun of any kind nearby when you need it is better than hoping you're close enough to an object heavy enough to use as a bludgeon.
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BikerRN
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I hate the term "throw away gun" due to the negative connotations. I much prefer "disposable gun".
To me a disposable gun is one that is easily replaced and not missed if lost or stolen, or sitting in an Evidence Locker, for that matter. My disposable guns are Glocks.
BikerRN
To me a disposable gun is one that is easily replaced and not missed if lost or stolen, or sitting in an Evidence Locker, for that matter. My disposable guns are Glocks.
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CajunBass
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On the other hand, they may work perfectly well.
I guess some of y'all have never been poor. I have been. I've been so poor that I couldn't afford to buy a Raven 25, or an RG-22, back in the day when they cost $29.95 each. Oh I wished I could have. I lived in a pretty rough neighborhood and would have gladly carried a gun that might HAVE worked, over not having one at all (No, it would not have been "legal". That was the least of my concerns). Some chance is better than no chance.
I was lucky I guess. I never actually "needed" a gun, and eventually worked my out of the neighborhood, and managed to get a few nice guns over the years. But I never see a Raven 25, or an RG-22 that I don't think back to those days when I just wished so hard to be able to afford one.
Hamilton Felix
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I think the title "Throw Away Guns" confused many. We ended up talking of "thrown down guns" historically dropped at shooting scenes by police and others.
But if we're really asking about cheap "disposable" guns, there are all kinds. I guess I'm a lucky one, in that I have a Phoenix .22 that actually works well. Yeah, $90 used at a show, and it works. But it was apparently designed by a product liability lawyer; it has two safeties and a very weird manual of arms - magazine disconnect wasn't enough, it also locks slide with mag out, etc. I'd never carry that thing for defense, but it's a fun plinker.
The Hi-Point guns are very inexpensive and not at all pretty with their massive slides, but they are reliable and a good option for someone who wants a cheap house gun.
As far as carrying a cheap gun in case the cops take it, let's rethink that: It's very unlikely you'll be involved in a shooting, but if it saves your live one time, then a $10,000 gun was "cheap." I'll carry whatever works for me and inspires my confidence. In the unlikely event I am involved in a shooting, I accept that I'll be without that gun for a long time, and I'll carry something else. There's no way I'd ever spend four figures on a fine 1911 that had every feature to make it a better concealed carry and fighting pistol, then leave it at home in favor of something cheaper.
If you're short of money and looking for an inexpensive gun, make sure you can try it out or that return for refund is assured. Then make sure it works. If you get an old RG .38 that goes bang reliably, then it will serve its purpose. But it won't last for many thousands of rounds of practice.
Same story for a Jennings, Davis, Lorcin or other cheap pocket pistol. If it's reliable, then it beats throwing rocks and you're not out much if something happens to it.
In the world of rifles, there are still "cheap" high quality guns to be had. Some years ago I picked up a $50 M1893 8x57 Turkish Mauser (made in 1935 at Spandau). It proved accurate at 200M with 70+ year old surplus ammo. Old bolt battle rifles aren't pretty, but they are tough. (Of course, being a gun nut, I immediately bought $200+ of ammo, dies and components, while making plans to cut it down, install better sights, modify the wood, etc. But the truth is, I had my durable "pickup truck gun" the moment I handed over the $50 for it.) A surplus Mosin Nagant rifle in 7.62x54R isn't pretty, but the design has a very impressive track record, and the cartridge is proven.
Back to handguns: Keep your eyes open and you may find deals on somewhat used and finish-worn Rossi, Llama or Astra revolvers. Cheap is OK if it's reliable, but make sure it is.
And remember, "expensive" does not guarantee it is reliable or will last a long time. It just improves the odds.
But if we're really asking about cheap "disposable" guns, there are all kinds. I guess I'm a lucky one, in that I have a Phoenix .22 that actually works well. Yeah, $90 used at a show, and it works. But it was apparently designed by a product liability lawyer; it has two safeties and a very weird manual of arms - magazine disconnect wasn't enough, it also locks slide with mag out, etc. I'd never carry that thing for defense, but it's a fun plinker.
The Hi-Point guns are very inexpensive and not at all pretty with their massive slides, but they are reliable and a good option for someone who wants a cheap house gun.
As far as carrying a cheap gun in case the cops take it, let's rethink that: It's very unlikely you'll be involved in a shooting, but if it saves your live one time, then a $10,000 gun was "cheap." I'll carry whatever works for me and inspires my confidence. In the unlikely event I am involved in a shooting, I accept that I'll be without that gun for a long time, and I'll carry something else. There's no way I'd ever spend four figures on a fine 1911 that had every feature to make it a better concealed carry and fighting pistol, then leave it at home in favor of something cheaper.
If you're short of money and looking for an inexpensive gun, make sure you can try it out or that return for refund is assured. Then make sure it works. If you get an old RG .38 that goes bang reliably, then it will serve its purpose. But it won't last for many thousands of rounds of practice.
Same story for a Jennings, Davis, Lorcin or other cheap pocket pistol. If it's reliable, then it beats throwing rocks and you're not out much if something happens to it.
In the world of rifles, there are still "cheap" high quality guns to be had. Some years ago I picked up a $50 M1893 8x57 Turkish Mauser (made in 1935 at Spandau). It proved accurate at 200M with 70+ year old surplus ammo. Old bolt battle rifles aren't pretty, but they are tough. (Of course, being a gun nut, I immediately bought $200+ of ammo, dies and components, while making plans to cut it down, install better sights, modify the wood, etc. But the truth is, I had my durable "pickup truck gun" the moment I handed over the $50 for it.) A surplus Mosin Nagant rifle in 7.62x54R isn't pretty, but the design has a very impressive track record, and the cartridge is proven.
Back to handguns: Keep your eyes open and you may find deals on somewhat used and finish-worn Rossi, Llama or Astra revolvers. Cheap is OK if it's reliable, but make sure it is.
And remember, "expensive" does not guarantee it is reliable or will last a long time. It just improves the odds.
A throw away gun is a REALLY bad idea with modern forensics and hair from a household cat that accidentally made its way onto the gun could get you convicted. In short a drop gun is a bad idea now days, just make sure that you're in the right if you shoot somebody.
srwshooter
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most 32,380,9mm keltecs shoot just as well as most high prices bigger sized models. they just so much easyier to conceal.
SonofGilnockie89
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I do have a few "drop guns" for the sake of having something I don't mind getting muck all over when fishing. As I always wear the Glock in the house, I couldn't comment on the drawer idea.
Nushif
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I think the base premise here is off.
It makes little economic sense to throw what little money the average user of these has into something you're going to discard.
Calling them throwaway guns kind of implies one of two things:
People so poor they can only afford a .22 Raven ought not to have a gun in the first place due to their finances, or ...
People who own a .22 Raven or whatnot buy them with the intent to do a crime.
So I will argue that the notion of a throw-away gun (outside of corrupt policing) is flawed inherently. Criminals tend to drop whatever gun they used for the crime. How often are perfectly good Glocks found in some trash can three blocks from a murder? Applying the notion that these guns are only used in criminals hands is similar to claiming tommy guns are only used by gangsters.
Where's the difference between a Glock used in a Crime, a Dan Wesson used in a crime and a .25 Raven used in a crime?
Easy! the difference is the same as a Glock sitting in a night stand, a Dan Wesson sitting in a nightstand and a .25 Raven sitting in a night stand.
tldr;
The premise is wrong. They're not throwaway guns at the time of purchase usually. Just really, really inexpensive and easily concealed.
They're dirt cheap carry guns that even the poorest can afford. Nothing more and nothing less.
It makes little economic sense to throw what little money the average user of these has into something you're going to discard.
Calling them throwaway guns kind of implies one of two things:
People so poor they can only afford a .22 Raven ought not to have a gun in the first place due to their finances, or ...
People who own a .22 Raven or whatnot buy them with the intent to do a crime.
So I will argue that the notion of a throw-away gun (outside of corrupt policing) is flawed inherently. Criminals tend to drop whatever gun they used for the crime. How often are perfectly good Glocks found in some trash can three blocks from a murder? Applying the notion that these guns are only used in criminals hands is similar to claiming tommy guns are only used by gangsters.
Where's the difference between a Glock used in a Crime, a Dan Wesson used in a crime and a .25 Raven used in a crime?
Easy! the difference is the same as a Glock sitting in a night stand, a Dan Wesson sitting in a nightstand and a .25 Raven sitting in a night stand.
tldr;
The premise is wrong. They're not throwaway guns at the time of purchase usually. Just really, really inexpensive and easily concealed.
They're dirt cheap carry guns that even the poorest can afford. Nothing more and nothing less.
I heard rumor that in countries that were formerly behind the "Iron Curtain" 9x18 is most commonly used to shoot in back of the head. Have you looked at alloy framed close copy of PPK called FEG PA-63? There are also pistolet Makarova, P-64, P-83,...... These are compact reliable disposable firearms.
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I'm not sure but by "throw away" they mean suitable for dumping from a bridge after it is no longer needed.
Usmc-1
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obviously throw away could mean many things , similiar to the fact if the bad walks into your house , he attacks your wife or kids (or you!) , you shoot him dead ! In some states they will arrest you for murder , now if that guy was carrying a Ginsu knife (which by the way you put in his hand , because you only had one Ginsu knife in the house) the detectives will see that you dont have any Ginsu's ,and theres a throw away knife right there! Im not saying have that as a cop ,just to put on some thug you wasted , but thats what it seems like/!!!
Nope , not me, my thoughts on throw aways are Hi-points , because if you go to a gun show ,watch who buys these guns ? Many a "Baggy Pant Democrat" will buy this gun of choice to rob stores with , they wont buy a glock , hell they wont buy a lorcin or davis , hipoints are cheaper!
Nope , not me, my thoughts on throw aways are Hi-points , because if you go to a gun show ,watch who buys these guns ? Many a "Baggy Pant Democrat" will buy this gun of choice to rob stores with , they wont buy a glock , hell they wont buy a lorcin or davis , hipoints are cheaper!
Nushif
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Geckgo
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I bought an HP22a the other day, after seeing numerous threads, youtube videos, online reviews, and such. Haven't shot it yet, but it cost 146 OTD (would have been 136 if I paid cash) and much to the surprise of some people, I don't associate myself as a Democrat, I'm not scarce on cash, I'm not afraid of bigger calibers (my XD45 will vouch for that, as will my 30-06), I don't plan on committing any crimes (I don't even roll stopsigns), hmm, I know i missed someone but that's a good list.
I wanted a .22 pocket pistol, and I didn't want to spend more than my 10/22 cost to get one. From what I've seen the HP22a potmetal poorly put together cast zinc POS has a pretty good following and seemed pretty reliable. If the range ever dries up I'll get down there and post a range report
I wanted a .22 pocket pistol, and I didn't want to spend more than my 10/22 cost to get one. From what I've seen the HP22a potmetal poorly put together cast zinc POS has a pretty good following and seemed pretty reliable. If the range ever dries up I'll get down there and post a range report
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