"Thrust Vector" and other ideas

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I have enjoyed this thread folks and the other one similar. Okay- I have enjoyed all the mind boggling threads Tuner tosses out. :)

Hey - I just shoot the darn things. :p I shot a 1911 the other day - brass goes yonder, I had to bend over and pick it up. I shot a Model 19 and didn't have to. Since the ground was wet....I kept shooting the K frame.

Simple, lazy, something to do... Oh ...speaking of keeping it simple. The Target - pc of cardboard with a hole in it. If I am hitting no holes in target. If I miss , easy to see and where / what I did wrong. Gee - I wouldn't want to have to actually staple up another pc of carboard [ drag out cardboard, drag out stapler] ...that's work....incentive to not miss. :D

Carry on....
 
Hi Tuner,

I'm not saying there's not more recoil, I fully believe it, I just disagree as to how friction is causing the increase :)

If you could, print up what I wrote and have him look at it when you see him, I think he'll agree.

One other thing. The rifled barrel is also imparting angular momentum to the bullet. I don't know how much that affects felt recoil, but I suppose it does rotate (torque) the gun. But a black powder rifle generally has a much slower twist, like 1/66, so not as much angular momentum there.

Anyway, I'd better get some sleep.

Night
 
Very good discussion!

Have "Long History" M1911/Recoil-Operated Arms. In response to queries, have ever described as; "Friction-Delay Tilting Locks".

Two experiments; 1. (On Old Slide) Create Fine/Sharp Horizontal Grooves upon Breech-Face, You will discover "Friction" of Cartridge-Case Head upon Breech-Face in "Pressure Hesitation-Lock".

2. Look to Mainspring, as well "Firing-Pin Stop". Note Radius at bottom of said "Stop". Now change then this angle. Consider now Role of this part in "Locking". (Did these for Years in "Magnumising" M1911 Arms, only Drama is need larger diametre Hammer-Pin, Better material of said Part, as well, "Bushing" should Frame of inferiour Heat-Treating).

Have found (Contingent upon how One "Times" the issue) "Locking-Lugs" utterly superfluous to process (M1911). Think "Over Top Dead-Centre" however minutely in this case.

If Posting repeats any previous, apologies!
 
Outstanding!

Howdy niemand! Welcome to THR and this little quagmire that I got started...even though I knew where it would go...and where the hello is
Nirgendwo??? :scrutiny:

Funny you should toss the firing pin stop radius and mainspring rating into the middle of this. I've been screamin' about the possible negative effects of light mainsprings for over 35 years. The small radius firing pin stop was actually part of the original design, and was changed on request from the
Army in order to make the slide easier to hand-cycle with the hammer down. Seems that the lads were havin' a hard time of it.

EGW makes oversized firing pin stops with a square bottom to allow the
smith to not only fit the stop to the slide, but also delay the slide's rearward movement and barrel linkdown timing a little. This, in turn,
allows a lighter recoil spring with no increased battering of the recoil impact surfaces. Neat. 15 bucks from Brownells and top-quality steel.
 
much that affects felt recoil, but I suppose it does rotate (torque) the gun.
Yup, Colt-barreled pistols torque into the palm of a right-handed shooter. I shot bowling pins right-to-left because my Smith torqued the other way.

Nirgendwo???

Methinks that's a variation of "nowhere" in German, auf Deutsch. Look at our new friend's name for a clue on that... We shooters iz clever, ain't we?:D
 
Richtig! "Niemand von Nirgendwo". "Wishing to Protect Identity of Guilty". (Ich bin deutsch)

With seriousness, Am Maker of Rifled Barrels, and more, Designer of Defence Munitions. (Got "Joe Zambone" up/running with "Magsafe")

As to "Firing-Pin Stop"/Radius Has been for long My "Easy Demonstration of How Arm Locks".

For Thirty-Years have argued against "Light Mainsprings for Trigger-Pull improvement" had once fixture created "Testing Slide Velocity" wiith divers Mainsprings/Firing-Pin Stop Radii. (Had over Years many "Loud Discussions" Armand Swenson Favourite of Lot)

I recall (Dimly) something of this "Radius-Change For Troopies", yet question; No-One perhaps thought the Hammer to Cock? Or perhaps that solution "Too Simple"?

Note to those RE: "Barrel Torque Effects", some Arms (Such as "Obregon" or French "MAB") utilised in part this effect as Barrel would in Firing rotate to Unlock.


Many Thanks for Kind Welcome!
 
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