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Time for another battle rifle/SHTF thread.

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by WonderNine, Mar 9, 2004.

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  1. WonderNine

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    I've recently been thinking about aquiring one or more rifles for SHTF type of situations with about an 18-22" barrel and just an all around powerful gun that you can depend on. I have considered some intermediate caliber guns like .223 though. Each have some pros and cons that I've found and I will mention them. I'm not interested in M-14's at all. Some candidates I've had in mind are:

    Saiga in .308 18" barrel

    Pros:

    Powerful caliber.
    Light gun (for a .308).
    Reliable Kalishnikov (however you spell it) action.
    Cheap and durable.
    I could buy two and if one suddenly broke I wouldn't be out of action.
    Most parts are cheaper than dirt.
    Mags are sorta cheap.

    Cons:

    8 round capacity.
    Not the greatest trigger in the world.
    Sorta ugleee ;)
    No pistol grip. (Perhaps it can be modified to have one easily?)
    Optics mounting on any type/style AK rifle is questionable.

    VEPR II .223 20.5" barrel

    Pros:

    Not as heavy as an FAL.
    Kalishnikov action.
    Durable, but not unexpensive.
    .223 means you can carry alot of rounds.

    Cons:

    Only one or two types of mags seem to work.
    The mags are not expensive, but still not cheap either and not very common.
    Optics mounting in questionable.

    FAL in .308 18" or 22" barrel

    Pros:

    Accurate.
    Mags are cheap.
    Powerful caliber.
    Optics mounting on a stable platform.

    Cons:

    HEAVY.
    That's about it. :scrutiny:
     
  2. Marshall

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    FAL .308 and that's about it. LOL :D
     
  3. artherd

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    Why not consider an AR (either AR-15 in .223 or AR-10 in .308 or .300WSM if you *really* need 1,000yd battle rifle-age :) That's what I'd opt for if I weren't a Subject.
     
  4. Feanaro

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    Were I in a SHTF scenario of some sort, I would NOT want to be close to things that could kill me. .308 gives you a longer range and thus a better buffer zone between you and the zombies/russians/rioters/space-aliens/government take-over forces. :D The AR-10 is kinda nice but mags aren't easy to find.

    Some people don't like the ergonomics but a nice G3 clone from JLD, Ohio Rapid Fire or Century Arms could fit the bill(In order of goodness/quality). Parts are available, .308 is popular(obviously), mags are cheap(for now), they are pretty darn reliable and goodish accuracy. Of course, the FAL is also a great option. DSA if you can. Mmmmm..... :)

    I just can't get into the Saiga. It's sort of like a bastard kid, born of a union between an assault rifle flavored AK and a .308 battle rifle. Unless cost were a factor, I can't see a reason not to get the FAL.
     
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    AR-10 for the longer reach. AR-15 CAR for quick, up close work. Why the AR-10,
    because that's what I have:). If I had an FAL then it would be that.
    Also, something to think about is common calibers. Seems like everyone in this
    world has .223, .308 and 7.62X39. Those are the rifle calibers I would keep
    around in order to pick up ammo from the other side.:D

    You could get into all sorts for other rifles for special operations.
    300 Weatherby Mag for Looong range or .300 WSM
    MP5 in 10mm for room to room city stuff, if you stay in the city
    and so on and so on.
     
  7. mondocomputerman

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    I have an AK variant with plenty of ammo, but being on these forums I want a FAL too. What is the going price? Are there different varients I should look for?
     
  8. Tom C.

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    I still like the M-1 Garand. While mine have the original barrel length, I think the optimum configuration may be: 18†barrel, flash suppressor, barrel mounted, quick release “scout†scope, adjustable gas system (so you can use any .30-06 ammo, not just M-2 ball.), and a glass stock.
     
  9. clubsoda22

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    I'm gonna try and get an Arsenal SAM-7/SLR-101 this weekend. When i get the urge to really reach out and touch someone, i think i'll go with the new DPMS .308 w/ 24" stainless barrel. I've seen them for $815. Mount a harris bipod and sightron 6-24x42 scope on it and it's will be sweet and just barely over the MSRP.
     
  10. Gewehr98

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    That says something right there.

    Care to explain that? Another Skunkabilly "It isn't an H&K" thing?
     
  11. Mulliga

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    FAL :) 'nough said
     
  13. Third_Rail

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    I'd be comfortable defending my life with a FAL. I can't say the same about a certain .223 rifle that's mighty popular. :rolleyes:
     
  14. Warner

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    Get your hands on a FAL.

    Chances are you'll never look back! ;)
     
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    Definitely look for reviews of the new BAR-10. It uses FAL mags, which eliminates one of the AR-10's weaknesses, but it's reliability is unknown so far.

    The VEPR II .223 weighs 9 lb. That's about the same as the average FAL or AR-10, and too heavy for a .223 in my opinion. It's possible to get a relatively lightweight FAL, but it probably won't be cheap.

    One problem with a lot of FALs, like my DSA StG58A, is that they're nose-heavy and unbalanced, which makes them feel heavier than other rifles. I added a buttstock mag pouch to mine which surprisingly helped the feel a lot because it balanced things out. If I pulled off the bipod and giant muzzle break, it would probably be even better. For the biggest weight savings, though, you need one of DSA's aluminum lower receivers.
     
  16. Nightcrawler

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    What's questionable about mounting optics on an AK? You just buy one of the many Russian scopes designed to lock onto the siderail bracket, and you're all set. You've got a well made, inexpensive, military-grade scope that doesn't lose zero when you detach it.

    A cheek pad might be in order for using the scope, though.
     
  17. mondocomputerman

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    I agree Nightcrawler, I have both a pso-1 4x scope and a Cobra red dot sight for my Romanian AK. They don't loose their zero, and are very well made. The speed that you can take them on and off is about 5 seconds!
     
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    For a longterm SHTF scenerio, you may be in a situation where resupply is not an option. Either have alot of mags for your primary or get something that uses stipper clips or possibly a load one shoot one capability, like a lever or bolt gun.
     
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    Resupply isnt possible? Im sure that if its the really bad type of shtf, you would be able to loot houses of people who have fled and left their stuff there. You night find some ammo that was left behind.
     
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    You forgot "Expensive" on the list of FAL cons. At least all the ones I have seen are. But so is an AR.

    My SHTF rifle is an AK. If they get through the bolt's range unscathed anyway.
     
  21. ReadyontheRight

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    I'll probably say this in every SHTF thread, but a scoped .22 autoloader with 1000+ rounds would be right there w/ my battle rifle.

    The Saiga .308 looks like an excellent option -- especially with the availability of inexpensive surplus .308 FMJ for stockpile and practice.
     
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    How about an Armalite Ar-180B with the Armalite scope? 180B's are a fun gun, light and relatively cheap, $650 MSRP. Also, the 180 uses a piston setup in the gas system so it is cleaner than the AR.
     
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    Supposedly the DPMS is superior for a ballpark $1000 less money Unfortunately, you gotta find AR10 or SR25 prebans to fit it. It will be a moot point if the ban expires.
     
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    I second that. Great rifle that's light, accurate and inexpensive.
     
  25. "yote"

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    FAL because it is "The Mercenaries choice" world wide. This is the rifle that
    they bet their lives on. These guys fight for the highest paycheck.

    AR-10: Because if the SEALs' like it, it must be pretty good.
    (they just took delivery of a couple hundred of the Armalite AR-10T carbines for "Squad battle/ sniping rifle).
     
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