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Time to fire up the militia. What's it going to look like today?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by maestro pistolero, Aug 12, 2008.

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  1. maestro pistolero

    maestro pistolero Member

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    And not some half-baked, fringe element for the liberals to throw eggs at, either. I'm talking the real deal here. Well regulated, well trained, well armed, and legitimate.

    Once organized, trained, and equipped, this militia could place itself voluntarily, at it's own discretion, in the temporary service of the organized militia in times of real national emergency, or when the National Guard's resources and goodwill are being over taxed and overburdened like in the middle east right now.

    Perhaps the training and discipline could be undertaken with the help of recently retired or even active duty military volunteers or LE trainers.

    Should there be standardized training?

    There should be a spirit of cooperation with government authority, but a clearly delineated and stated autonomy as to the manner and means of operation.

    There could be a charter, a mission statement, and high standards of excellence that are self-imposed. There should be a transparent and fair system of purging bad eggs, or those who can be proven to have bad intentions or improper behaviour that would threaten the credibility and efficacy of the Militia.

    What standards should we hold ourselves to?

    How do we balance independence and autonomy, with a spirit of cooperation and common training so that we could be as effective as possible in working together to support our police and military in the event of a cataclysmic world event?

    What other attributes should our new militia have?
     
  2. Jdude

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    If the militia were called up, it would be on an as needed basis with likely no more than a few hours or day's training. I figure squad level elements will be under the control of retired soldiers / local LE, with the sheriff being the head honcho. More than likely they will be used for local security and harassment actions while the standing Army does all of the real work.

    I also suspect that the majority of arms will be privately owned, and thus mostly scoped deer rifles from the hunters and ARs from the paper punchers. (Note - I know there is crossover. Generalizing here.) There will probably be ammo shortages and general equipment mismatch.

    That is all that comes to mind in this short post.
     
  3. yokel

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    Who's going to bother showing up for militia duty?

    I reckon that the folks would be mostly concerned with ensuring their own self-preservation and protection of their loved ones and businesses.

    In order to meet contemporary war fighting capability and readiness requirements, we're going to need a significant armament upgrade package.
     
  4. whosyrdaddy

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    It'll look just like you imagine 'cause the only place it's ever going to happen is in your imagination.
     
  5. Drgong

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    maestro pistolero, check out how the swiss do there militia, cool stuff ;)
     
  6. Nolo

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    Want to start a militia?
    It's been done. In this country, no less.
    And recently.
    In fact, I think it's a rising tide.
    Honestly, if I were to organize a militia, I'd organize it around the principles of the Boy Scouts, without all the fluff needed for pre-teens and modified for a military force.
    For instance, here (for those unfamiliar) is the Boy Scout Oath and Law, if I remember correctly:
    Oath:
    Law:
    Honestly, I think these would be an excellent for to follow for a credo of an militia.
    Update it and make the wording and style more mature, along with some of the points (I see "obedient" as being kinda inappropriate, for instance), and you'd have something.
     
  7. DFW1911

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    Using the Revolution as context.

    I agree: see the history of the Minute Men for a point of discussion. Once the reality of a protracted military campaign became evident many "opted out" to do precisely what Yokel suggests.

    Like it or not, during the Revolution our "professional army" was mainly comprised of the dregs of society - those who saw "soldiering" as an opportunity for advancement.

    I don't recall the specifics, but I believe those who signed "for the duration" received 100 acres, or some such amount, upon conclusion of hostilities.

    Those more informed will add their $.02.

    Good topic for conversation.

    Thanks,
    DFW1911
     
  8. SFvet

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    Anyone with a firearm is considerd the unorganized milita. Local people get together and train all the time - many are prior service. Standardization (well organized) can be simple formations under prior service leadership headed by the local authorities.

    Want to get some extra training? The National Guard sometimes use volunteers to be a part of training events.

    Firearms can be any hunting rifle, battle rifle etc. Now to keep this discussion within regs lets make sure we are discussing firearms along the way ;). I would use my AR-10 A2 Carbine hehe.:cool:
     
  9. neviander

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    As far as entry goes, I would wholly base that on the persons spirit. I realize that's hard to judge, but in the right persons view, it's hard to fake as well. Halfheartedness need not apply.
     
  10. telecaster1981

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    It'll look a lot like the folks in my cell phonebook!

    "Hey ____, the S is hitting the F. My place...15 minutes...be there or be square..."
     
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    Obedient should DEFINATELY be kept in, if you're using the boy scout method. Obedience is one of the most important aspects of Military action.

    And, I would report to Militia duty. Best way to keep your family and loved ones safe is to get together with other people who want to keep THEIR families and loved ones safe. 20 guys can kill a few hundred if those few hundred are killed individually. Put them all together, and it takes a lot more than 20.
     
  12. Nolo

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    Maybe it's just because I'm Irish (;)) but I envision the purpose of the militia as a little less obedient and more independent than military forces.
    But maybe that would only be important if we were another country like maybe Germany, because from what records I've looked over, American soldiers are MUCH more independent than other nations'.
    I dunno, I just like doing things my way. :D
     
  13. Nolo

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    Here's my militia version:
    Comments? Suggestions?
     
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    That's how I see it as well. The National Guard is not the same as the 'militia' and shouldn't fall under military/LE control. Our country has checks and balances, and the militia's purpose IMO is to make darn sure our .gov doesn't turn into a dictatorship.
     
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    At least I'm not alone... :D
     
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    Who doesn't?
     
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    The "militia movement" started back in the mid 90s when more and more gun control was showing up. Seems a few old boys read that there constitution thing, and figured that if they declared themselves to be a militia, then Unca Sugah would have to let them have their guns...

    Sad thing is, a whole buncha those boys was backwoods cracker rednecks who were either kluckers, or who had been rejected by the kluckers...

    Which is kinda sad, when you consider it...

    Anywho, they made a lot of noise.
     
  18. akodo

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    everyone gets to decide that by themselves, which is what freedom is about.

    once you have a set of rules and regulations, guidelines, weapon restrictions, it becomes another one of the "organized militias"
     
  19. MT GUNNY

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    I think the longest running Militia and still running today is the Minutemen. You know the ones on the southern border.
     
  20. danweasel

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    The Black Panthers were a militia right? They patrolled their streets when the goverment wouldn't or couldn't. Worked out pretty well for 'em I hear.

    I am just saying the government does not like armed societies organizing and training. Maybe they get nervous? I guess they feel if you wanna do that you should join the army and waste your good deeds in some foreign country for "questionable" reasons.
     
  21. Aguila Blanca

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    Actually, your statement isn't accurate. The unorganized militia is a subset of the militia, which is defined in statute as

    " (a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and . . . under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.

    (b) The classes of the militia are --

    (1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and

    (2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia"

    So, first there is nothing in the law requiring ownership of a firearm or defining everyone who owns one as a member of the militia, and second, any of us over the age of 45 (even veterans like myself) are not part of the militia due to age. In a crisis I doubt we'd be sent home if we turned out , but we are not legally included.

    http://www.law.ucla.edu/volokh/2amteach/SOURCES.HTM#TOC34
     
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    If we were called to arms, I'd probably be the first one there.
     
  23. sailortoo

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    An excellent subject to discuss. I personally feel that the whole concept of a Citizens' Militia has been neglected nation wide, and vastly besmerched by some past attempts to circumvent the true idea of a Militia. The very term "Militia" turns off large segments of the public, both from past miss adventures by some unoffical groups, and plain old ignorance of the reason for a Citizens Militia. I would like to see each (reasonable - some are not!) state return to the maintaining of an unorganized Militia - at least an officer corps and some kind of written, executable plan, in case of real need. As it stands now, we are collectively scratching our heads, wondering what to do, and where and when to do it. As mentioned in a prior post, the Swiss seem to have had some kind of long term, workable system (I am not familiar with how it is set up) that maybe could be a starting point to set up a system for some states to consider. As far as the arming of such volunteers, I'm sure the variety of weapons would be a headache of great proportions, but we do not have "A Well Regulated Militia" at present! I know neighbors that are both willing and capable to dive into a bad situation, but we need direction, information and some kind of preparation. Looking forward to further discussion and ideas - probably too scary for the elected types to pursue, but worthy of looking into. :)
    sailortoo
     
  24. Steve Raacke

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    The states already have a militia, seperate from the National Guard, if they choose to use it. Called State Defense Forces, State Guards or State Military Reserves these are uniformed forces, organized under the command of the AG of the respective states and attached to it's military department.
    Some State Guard units augment National Guard units for disaster services. Some assist with funerals and other ceremonies. In Louisiana the soldiers in the State Guard work as paid employees of the state in jobs such as Drill Instructors and Cadre at Youth Challange and Job Challange programs or as MPs at military and state facilities. They work alongside National Guard members and wear nearly identical uniforms.
    Most State Guard units are composed of volunteers who buy their own uniforms and gear.
    State Defense Forces are a little known instrument available to every govenor but is rarely used to it's fullest potential.
    More about SDFs- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Defense_Force .
     
  25. sailortoo

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    Welcome aboard, yale. Good info - but the problem seems to be inactivity, or lack of spreading the word. Also, as mentioned by another poster, a lot of us "Ol' Farts" can't legally be members, even though we could still be useful in a true emergency situation. A more open and publicly known/understood approach would be helpful - I have prowled around the internet a bunch, mostly with no useful effect - trying to get general militia information. As I mentioned before, the public perception of the term "Militia" seems distorted, and the various other terms used are more a deflection from using Militia to describe the original intent. Some of your discriptions sound almost outside of the Militia idea, and more a subset of the military - just what the militia was not supposed to be. Just my personal observation - much more discussion seems warranted, and useful. Thanks for your participation, it is appreciated.
    sailortoo
     
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