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I honestly think that we can expect Al Qeida, or the like, to make a concerted attack in the U.S. in the coming months. I would think that they would do their best to disrupt, to the greatest degree possible, life in this country and in doing so swing the "terror" tide in their favor.

Every hospital in the world produces radioactive material that can be used in a dirty bomb and I wouldn't think that explosives are supremely difficult to produce, however I don't know. I would expect that "they" (the bad guys) would detonate as many dirty bombs as possible and cause as much mayhem as possible at around the same time. I would think that the ensuing mess would take around 1 - 3 months to straighten out.... This is within the realm of the bad guy's capability, so it is logical to think that they will or could do something like this.

I dunno... just got a strange feeling. Am I the only one?
 
The kind of radioactive materials hospitals have isn't a huge concern to me - the kind that you can buy on the black market for cheap is, not to mention the huge amount of Russian materials out there.
 
No - not with President Bush and his loyal sidekick - Dick Cheney - who are both doing all they can to protect us. It's almost their full time job. The only thing that I see on the horizon that could open a window for an attack is if those spinless fellow-travelers of Bin Laden in Congress don't reauthorize the Patriot Act. If all the sections President Bush wants authorized - like allowing the police to do conduct warrantless Internet surveillance with the permission of a network operator - are allowed to expire it could open the window wide for Bin Laden and his terrorists to sneak in. Another critical section makes it easier for prosecutors to seek search warrants for electronic evidence. Yet another is Section 215, which became well known after some librarians alerted visitors that it permits the FBI to learn what books a patron has read and what Web sites a patron visited--and prohibits the recipient of such an order from disclosing that it exists. I know for a fact I'd want to know if Bin Laden were at my library and checking out books.
The Patriot Act is the thin line between us and the terrorists wanting to attack us. We should all write/call/telegram our elected representatives and let them know of the growing fear in our hearts that is sure to occur is this important piece of legislation isn't passed - and passed with everything President Bush wants.
 
fourays2 said:
AQ would not be offering a "cease fire" if they were in the position to do anything.
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Sure they would. In the joint they call it 'Rockin' you to sleep'. Ali called it 'rope-a-dope'.

;)

Biker
 
fourays2 said:
AQ would not be offering a "cease fire" if they were in the position to do anything.
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Actually that's a Moslem thing, BL trying to look like Saladin to his followers I think-

Saladin (1163? - ll93) was the great Moslem leader of the Third Crusade. The 1170's and 1180's witnessed the rise of a new, unified Islamic state centered in Egypt and galvanized by the skilled leadership of Saladin. Saladin was also a chivalrous knight, whose humanity often prevailed over his natural enmity for the Christians. Saladin was chivalrous as well as able, a vigorous and successful general, often moved by impulse. Saladin at first engaged in a truce with the Crusader states but the truce was broken by a Christian robber baron who persisted in attacking Muslim caravans. Being the most cultivated man and the noblest character, Moslem or Christian, of the whole crusading period, he set himself the objective of ending Christian rule in Syria. Saladin reunited the efforts of Egypt and Baghdad, and preached to the Moslem world to rise in a Jihad, a Holy War, a counter crusade, of all the Moslems against the Christians. This Jihad excited almost as much feeling in Islam as the First Crusade had done in Christendom. The response was formidable. Saladin brought the Moslem cities of Syria and Mesopotamia under his control and distributed them to faithful members of his own family. Saladin was neither a Turk nor an Arab, but a Kurd, and therefore, like the crusaders themselves, of the Aryan stock. In 1187 Jerusalem fell, and soon there was nothing left of the kingdom left to the Christians except the port of Tyre. It was now a case of crusader against crusader; and in 1187 Jerusalem was retaken. This provoked the Third Crusade in 1189.
Richard and Saladin came to terms, which left Jerusalem in the hands of the courteous Moslem, but allowed the Christians possession of the Holy Sepulcher and the right of pilgrimage there. Saladin's taking of Jerusalem: there was no pillaging, no slaughter of non-combatants. The great Arab leader kept the upper hand with some ease, He answered Richard's cruelty to his Moslem captives with truly "Christian" mercy to his own captives. Christians were allowed to depart freely and to take with them all their property, with a grace period of 40 days. "Let them alone, otherwise they will accuse us of bad faith.. Give them occasion to praise the goodness of our faith." The mediaeval Christian reaction to this "modern" proposition can easily be imagined. After the truce, which was to run for three years, Christian's secured a strip of coast with the right of access for pilgrims to the Holy city. Saladin's temper is revealed in his proposal that his brother marry Richard's sister, with Palestine as a betrothal gift. Richard now (1193) turned homeward; and in the same year Saladin died. The kingdom was divided among his relatives and respite for Christians.
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I think that Bin Laden's "truce" offerring was meant to give the terrorist appeasers another talking point after AQ's next attack. I can hear it now, "See it is the USA's fault. Osama offered a truce but it was ignored." This will be used as another blame America rant, mark my words.
 
I honestly think that we can expect Al Qeida, or the like, to make a concerted attack in the U.S. in the coming months.
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I'm pleasantly surprised that they haven't since 9/11 . . . it tells me that someone, somewhere in our bureacracy is actually doing their job for a change.

If I were an AQ terror master and had a couple of dozen jihadis willing to die at my command, there are all kinds of ways I could use them to spread panic . . . but it hasn't happened yet. (BTW, ever notice that the terrorist bosses aren't willing to strap on an explosive belt themselves, but always seem to recruit some other dolts?)
 
HankB said:
I'm pleasantly surprised that they haven't since 9/11 . . . it tells me that someone, somewhere in our bureacracy is actually doing their job for a change.

The fact that we haven't been hit again since 9/11 is likely because they have not decided to hit us yet. There is nothing to stop them. They have the funding, the 'troops', and access to our country. They're very patient. On the other hand, they might just be content to sit back and watch as we self-destruct out of fear. We seem to be doing that real well, both finacially and through the loss of civil liberties.
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The fact that we haven't been hit again since 9/11 is likely because they have not decided to hit us yet. There is nothing to stop them.
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My personal - an unproveable - opinion is that AQ suffers a very high "desertion" rate once its operatives reach the freedom and luxury of the USA. There is a theory that only a select few of the 9-11 hijackers even knew beforehand that it was to be a suicide mission.

It's probably not very hard to recruit a suicide bomber in the hopeless crap-hole of the Middle East, but once in the USA likely their ambitions to die become a little less attractive. ;)
 
Propoganda?

The Patriot Act is the thin line between us and the terrorists wanting to attack us.
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I'm going to be ill. :barf:

It's your opinion, and I've read some good ones from you, but revulsion is a moderate form of my response to such a statement.
 
Biker said:
The fact that we haven't been hit again since 9/11 is likely because they have not decided to hit us yet. There is nothing to stop them. They have the funding, the 'troops', and access to our country. They're very patient.
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They have been very busy elsewhere in the world. They are fighting us on their soil right now, not ours.

You are right though, they are very patient. I fully expect that they have been prepping an attack, and I fully expect that the latest 3 tapes from al-Zawahri and the tape from OBL to be signals for multiple attacks in the coming days.

I.G.B.
 
Ezekiel said:
I'm going to be ill. :barf:

It's your opinion, and I've read some good ones from you, but revulsion is a moderate form of my response to such a statement.
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Uhhh, I think his entire post was just a bit sarcastic. Read it again and see what I mean.

As for "the next attack," it is true that AQ could hit the U.S. at any time, just as they do in the Middle East. But, it may be a matter of scale. Think of it this way. The scale of the 9/11 attack was impressive, as was its coordination and execution. Now, AQ puts a guy in NYC or somewhere with an IED in his backpack, and blows it during the morning commute. Effective? IN terms of damage and casualties, yes. But, Bush then gets on T.V. and says "look at what we've accomplished with our efforts. AQ and Bin Laden went from a massive coordinated attack to a single guy with a grenade in his pack. We're winning." And many in the public will say "He11 yeah!"

The real concern is whether this down time has allowed for the planning, preparation, and deployment of something comperable, in terms of scale, to the 9/11 attacks. Dirty bomb, bio or chemical weapon, mass shootings like described by Clancy in "Tail of the Tiger," or whatever. The where and when of one of these attacks, especially if coordinated and executed like 9/11, makes me cringe. Big city as the plump target, or small town to strike fear into the heart of America. Or a few cities at once. Frankly, the scenario set out by Clancy is the frightening one for me, as mass shooting sprees at malls in mid-sized cities will spark real fear in teh hearts and minds.

Of course, a couple of CCW holders at the right place at the right time...;)
 
If there is nothing to stop them, then why do they need to be patient? Those statements seem to be inconsistent. Either there is something that is stopping them, so they have to be patient and wait for us to drop our guard so they can attack, or there is nothing stopping them and they can attack at will, and just don't feel like it. I'm going to guess the first one. I also agree that the war in Iraq has sapped them of resources and focus. They keep trying to defeat us there, and don't have the resources or focus to do anything here. Hence, pretty good strategy on our part to keep them in their part of the world, right?
 
I should have looked closer, you're correct. That comment just didn't sound like RR to me.

What we need is a sarcasm key, like this:

[sarcasm]el Presidente Jorge Shub is a mega-genius![/sarcasm]

Uhhh, I think his entire post was just a bit sarcastic. Read it again and see what I mean.
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"Cease fire" in a political, religious and tactical sense

The offered "cease fire" is a gimmick in real terms, a master stroke in ideology and politics.

Politically, he/they can later say we were given the chance to negotiate and refused, shifting blame for damage to us.

To appease the jihadists, he is offering the obligatory chance to see the light to us. Two ways to get rid of infidels, convert or kill. This is the perfunctory attempt at beginning America's conversion to Islam.

Tactically, he's acheived something already. Sun Tzu wrote to appear strong when you are weak, weak when you are strong. UBL has got us guessing, so he's just acheived the figurative high ground and we're waiting to see what he'll do.
 
1911 guy said:
The offered "cease fire" is a gimmick in real terms, a master stroke in ideology and politics.

Politically, he/they can later say we were given the chance to negotiate and refused, shifting blame for damage to us.

To appease the jihadists, he is offering the obligatory chance to see the light to us. Two ways to get rid of infidels, convert or kill. This is the perfunctory attempt at beginning America's conversion to Islam.

Tactically, he's acheived something already. Sun Tzu wrote to appear strong when you are weak, weak when you are strong. UBL has got us guessing, so he's just acheived the figurative high ground and we're waiting to see what he'll do.
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Agreed, for the most part.
Exploiting the enemies division (pro and anti-war).

"America, i am forced to attack after my efforts for peace have failed, bladi bladi bladi..."

CNN headlines-
"Thousands dead after Bush refuses peace talks"

Or maybe we're just whistling in the wind.
 
mbt2001 said:
I honestly think that we can expect Al Qeida, or the like, to make a concerted attack in the U.S. in the coming months. I would think that they would do their best to disrupt, to the greatest degree possible, life in this country and in doing so swing the "terror" tide in their favor.

Every hospital in the world produces radioactive material that can be used in a dirty bomb and I wouldn't think that explosives are supremely difficult to produce, however I don't know. I would expect that "they" (the bad guys) would detonate as many dirty bombs as possible and cause as much mayhem as possible at around the same time. I would think that the ensuing mess would take around 1 - 3 months to straighten out.... This is within the realm of the bad guy's capability, so it is logical to think that they will or could do something like this.

I dunno... just got a strange feeling. Am I the only one?
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Here's an idea. Find bin Laden. Blow him to a grease spot. Find the pieces and show them on TV.

...or shouldn't that have been done in, oh...2001? What's it now, 2006? WHY is this guy still a threat?
 
HankB said:
I'm pleasantly surprised that they haven't since 9/11 . . . it tells me that someone, somewhere in our bureacracy is actually doing their job for a change.

If I were an AQ terror master and had a couple of dozen jihadis willing to die at my command, there are all kinds of ways I could use them to spread panic . . . but it hasn't happened yet. (BTW, ever notice that the terrorist bosses aren't willing to strap on an explosive belt themselves, but always seem to recruit some other dolts?)
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Actually, I just think it means that a culture that most Americans are not familiar with is being PATIENT. 9/11 took ten years to plan.

This is a culture in countries that think in terms of decades and centuries. Their history books go back six thousand years. Ours go back a little over 200. We really can't fathom that.
 
itgoesboom said:
They have been very busy elsewhere in the world. They are fighting us on their soil right now, not ours.
I.G.B.
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I'm sure the people of Madrid and London, or the pieces of them left all over train station platforms, would be happy to hear that their countries are "their soil".
 
Manedwolf said:
Here's an idea. Find bin Laden. Blow him to a grease spot. Find the pieces and show them on TV.

...or shouldn't that have been done in, oh...2001? What's it now, 2006? WHY is this guy still a threat?
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They can't blow up Bin Laden. He's the most useful tool they've got for the continual assault on the Constitution. America needs it's boogie men - and we have a real winner with him. A dead Bin Laden and they've removed what many see as the driving force for the "War on Terror" - strike that "The Global Struggle Against Extremism". How would they "sell" the locking people up without charges, wiretaps without warrants, etc, etc. without a bad guy?
 
Security is an illusion. Bush & co. buy power by selling protection they do not provide. "False advertisement"?

Paradoxically, some people support the Patriot Act because they want to believe at all costs that they are protected, even if on the rational level they discern they are not.
 
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