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Tiny hands, tiny budget, recoil sensitive...she needs a gun

Discussion in 'Handguns: General Discussion' started by Steve Smith, Sep 26, 2003.

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  1. Steve Smith

    Steve Smith Moderator Emeritus

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    Little woman, not very strong, probably wouldn't appreciate recoil none-too-much. She wants some protection. I was thinking of the Bersa .380, but I'm sure the recoil is snappy. This girl might not have the strength to pull a revolver's trigger much. Any suggestions? Price is paramount.


    Could it get harder?
     
  2. cslinger

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    Single Action .32 magnum. Decent round, not much recoil, very very safe hammer down, extremely light trigger when cocked, not much effort to cock.

    My 2 cents.

    Chris
     
  3. cslinger

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    Actually this should do very nicely.

    http://www.ruger-firearms.com/Firearms/FAProdView?model=6513&return=Y

    Birdshead grip for the small hands.
    Decent size to be relatively concealable.
    Very safe with transfer bar can carry hammer down on a live round.
    Decent weight and barrel length combined with small caliber = little recoil.
    Single action trigger extremely light.
    Cocking action not very difficult expecially if shooting two handed.
    Stainless steel is corrosion resistent.
    .32 magnum is not a bad little round.
    Looks cool.
    Will be about as reliable as your average refrigerator, Ie it will work.
    When hammer is down ain't no way the gun is going off so would make a decent purse gun.
    Ruger firearms are usually priced very realistically for a quality piece. Don't pay any attention to the MSRP it is always much much higher then actual retail on most Rugers.
    Really I think this could work.

    Sure it has cons but based on your specific needs I think this could work very nicely.
     
  4. Brian Williams

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    How about a J frame in 32, get some wolf springs and reduce the trigger return spring.


    Or

    S&W Ladysmith mod 60, older versions have superb triggers and nice actions. Get some 148 gr full wadcutters which make for some nice big holes.

    I also have a 940 Centennial that is great, only moonclips are hard to refill but make for quick reloads.
     
  5. cslinger

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    Sorry I am bored so stop me if you have to. :D

    Beretta Bob/Tomcats.

    Flip up barrel.
    Small caliber
    can be cocked and locked.
    Prices are not too bad.
    Quality is excellent.

    Recoil is a little snappy though and accuracy isn't the main design element. They are kind of empty into their face kind of gun.

    http://www.beretta.com/home_2002.asp
     
  6. cslinger

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    If you think she can handle the recoil and trigger pull I agree with Perfessr. I nice .38 revolver would be very nice.

    Chris
     
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    Only partially true. A snubby on a light frame, which is the ideal for concealmeant in a gal's purse, has a LOT of recoil and muzzle flip. Probably wouldn't appeal to her.

    But, if it's not for concealed carry in a purse, then size and weight become less important and one can move to the longer, stronger-framed models. In which case, yes, a .38 revolver would be very nice. :D

    Ooh, forgot to add I'm a fan of the Taurus revolvers. Great quality without paying for a couple of letters (namely, an S and a W).
     
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    Ruger .357 SP101, loaded with plain Jane .38spl should be sweet!
     
  9. spacemanspiff

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    introduce her to runt_of_the_litter.
     
  10. Sean Smith

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    I can't think of an autoloader that meets your critera that wouldn't be too expensive. Maybe a used CZ-75 PCR or Compact?

    For revolvers I'd suggest 3-4" of barrel and a STEEL frame in .38 Special. Otherwise there is too little sight radius and too much recoil for most new shooters to start with. Just make sure that she can handle the DA trigger pull.

    Lightweight snubby = bad idea for ANY new shooter... evil recoil and no sight radius.
     
  11. Steve Smith

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    Hmm, I can get her a Beretta 3032 Tomcat for $262. Migh thave to go and look at them with her.

    Guys, this woman has CHILD'S hands. I carry a PCR myself...this girl could barely hang onto it.
     
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    The Beretta 22 Tomcat would be better. Unless Beretta has solved the problems with the Bobcat (32), I'd steer clear of it. Among other things, I understand that the firing pin could pop out during firing. If she goes 22 though, be sure she is capable of head shots.
     
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    My ex was 4'11" 95lbs and could shoot a .38, 9mm or even a Govt .45 with the best of them are you sure you're not selling her short.
     
  14. Felonious Monk

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    Um...fellas?

    She's tiny. She's NOT a shooter like Runt. We can't change that.

    Take her to a range and rent her a bunch of what's been suggested and let her SHOOT them.

    Include in that mix a Kel-Tec P32 and my pick for this situation: Kel-Tec P3AT.
    Negligible difference in kick between the two. VERY controllable. Light, reliable. An "always" gun.

    There you go.
     
  15. Steve Smith

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    Felonious read my mind. Runt is a shooter. This girl isn't...at all. A woman inclined to have fun with guns has the mindset to "play" with big guns. This girl will NOT appreciate the experience.

    I just remembered I have a P32 I could sell to this girl for a good price...hmm..
     
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    Definitely the Kel-Tec P32.The women i know who've experienced the P32 love it for its size and functioning.
     
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    taurus ultralight 8-shot .22 magnum snubby? low recoil, but a bit loud.
     
  18. Ford

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    I went through this with my wife. We rented a 9mm ( ported med. size glock) and she complained it was too much for her. I told her that she just had to get used to it. 50 rounds later her hand was BEAT RED. I felt like a jerk. I ended up buying her a .32. It was tolerable but she did not care to shoot it alot. She still likes my .22 best. I had to back off of wanting her to shoot a "more powerful" round because I just about ruined her going to the range with me. After all this has been said I suggest starting with a quality .22 with a single action trigger. Atleast this is what my wife preffers to shoot. This way she is more apt to practice with it and get better at shooting. After she is comfortable with it then maybe you could gradually climb that caliber latter. I have found in my wifes case that it is better for her to be accurate with a .22 and enjoy shooting it than to have a 9mm or something and never want to shoot it.

    By the way a .380's recoil is not that much less than a 9mm. Not when you are talking about someone that is this recoil sensetive.
     
  19. Sean Smith

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    I was afraid the PCR would be to fat in the grip. :(

    If you find a S&W .38 revolver for cheap, you could maybe afford to get an action job & replace the grips to make it more usable for itty bitty hands.

    :confused:

    P32 is probably a good idea, except mine never worked and the trigger sucked.
     
  20. Al Thompson

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    One of the smaller S&W .22 autos or a Browning Buckmark (Micro?) gets the first ruule out of the way - have a gun. I'd load it with high dollar match ammo for the reliability issue, though Mike Irvin has had super luck with his Taurus PT-22 and inexpensive ammo.
     
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    Just went through this with my aunt. She is 77 and felt it was time to have a handgun in her house . No way she could pull a slide back on and auto so I figured the tip up barrel of the Jet Fire or Tomcat would be her only choices in an auto. She was also very concerned about recoil and therefore we steered away from light guns or anything heavier than a 32 mag for caliber in our discussions. After discussing her options and showing her some pictures of various guns we started looking at those guns in various shops so that she could handle them and get a feel for what she thought she would want. It was hard to not steer her into something that I thought would be the best for her but I made up my mind it would be her choice because she was the one that had to be comfortable with the gun.
    After looking at several handguns she decided she would go with a revolver and likely just stick with a 22 LR. She had in mind a small framed revolver that I had shown her pictures of but we had not found one at a shop yet. On our second outing we ran across that Taurus Model she was thinking of - it was a 941 in 22mag rather than the 94 in 22 LR , with a 4 inch barrel she fell in love with it after handling it and now is the new owner.
    While a 22 mag might not measure up in many respects to a self defense caliber it is something that she can handle without a probem as I witnessed a couple days ago when I gave her her first shooting lesson. She is very happy with the experience and the gun - and I am happy I didn't talk her into something that might have been too much for her. She has some trouble firing double action because of her weak hands, but got used to single action rather quickly. The rest will come ! My hat is off to my aunt Betty who at 77 years can still find enjoyment and comfort with a new handgun purchase and with learning to use it . :D :D
     
  22. Felonious Monk

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    Just some thoughts:

    Ford is dead-on when he said
    I have had to really repress my urge to want to push my wife into a more potent caliber; when we started "trying guns on for size", she astounded me by her immediate, inherent sense of what was "just right" for her.

    We started with a .22 semi auto, and she didn't even finish out the mag.
    "Next? This is wimpy." :p

    So, I give her her new P32, and she's shooting these UNBELIEVABLE groups for a new shooter with an unfamiliar gun...liking it, and we went through about 3 mags before I hand her my Rossi .38.
    3 shots, she hands it back.

    Ditto the Ruger SP101. 3 shots.
    "I don't like either of these. I don't feel in control. Give me back the purple one." :rolleyes:

    She proceeds to peg head shots and make ragged little holes with the .32.
    And she's done so ever since.

    She stokes a couple of hot Cor-Bons in the pipe and the first one in the mag, followed by Fiocchi or S&B fmj the rest of the way. (.32's are semi-rimmed and thus prone to rimlock). As with any mousegun, the plan is for her to empty the mag into whatever Orc, Troll or Goblin attempts to accost her, and bug out forthwith.

    Also...
    I know we're not talking a one shot man-stopper for a 280lb crackhead, but the Titanium Taurus wheelguns in 8 rounds of .22 magnum, or NINE rounds of .22lr are VERY interesting option, IMHO.

    Oh, and a good, fitted trigger shoe on whatever gun she gets will do WONDERS for her control.

    'nuff rambling.
     
  23. Chugach

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    .22LR revolver and a box of bulk pack.

    Low noise, low recoil, simple operation, and she'll be much more likely to practice with it because she can afford ammo.
     
  24. Zundfolge

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    Revolvers are a nice choice but a heavy DA trigger might not work for her. For auto an I'd say a Kahr K9 if thats not too expensive. Might also look at a RAP401 (if you can find one). Also a Steyr M9 can be had inexpensivly, and the grip on it is thinner then many single stack guns even though its a doublestack.


    What kind of price range are you looking at?


    Hell, just take her down to specialty sports and let her fondle all the toys they have :)

    on a side note Steve, I happened to drive by there today (Friday) at about 4:45 and I saw a truck that looked a lot like yours ... if I wasn't in a hurry I'd have stopped to find out.
     
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    Yeah, DA may be too much. I would weigh that against having her cock the hammer with her support hand...but then the trigger pull may be too light for her if she hasn't practiced.

    Not sure we have any easy answers here.

    It's been said before: let her shoot a bunch of different handguns, and natural selection will occur.
     
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