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Tips For Seating Flat Bottomed Rifle Bullets?

Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by cwbys4evr, May 1, 2013.

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  1. cwbys4evr

    cwbys4evr Member

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    So being new to reloading, before I had even started loading I bought two different kinds of bullets: Nosler .224 diamater 40 grain, and Hornady .224 diameter 50 grain. Turns out the Hornadys are boat tailed and the Noslers are not. I had intended to first load some Noslers but found it very difficult to keep the bullet on the case in the seating process, so I switched to the boat tailed Hornadys.

    Do you guys have any tips/tricks for keeping that flat bottomed bullet on the case when I go to seat it?
     
  2. raddiver

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    I simply try to get it as close as possible or at least stable on casing, or i will raise the ram with just enough space between the bullet and the die to set the bullet on the case and slowly raise the ram until the stem rights the bullet and it feels like i get some tension, then i lower it and inspect to confirm that it is seated/straight. Once i have that, then i do a normal stroke to seat it the rest of the way.
     
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    You have several options. One is to expand the mouth just a tad more or you can use your deburring tool and bevel the inside of the mouth to hold the bullet. I use the Hornady seating die with their drop down aligning sleeve on the seeter, this works very well.
     
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    It really isn't very hard to just hold the bullet in place until the tip enters the seating die. In fact, I do it with boat tail bullets as well because it annoys me when I'm in the groove and a bullet tips over on me right as I go to seat it.
     
  5. JohnM

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    Lyman M die or the Redding version.
     
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    Another option when not using a progressive press is using the seating die from a RCBS Competition 2-Die Set 223 Remington. Note I did not say it was an inexpensive option. :) "Bullets are inserted through a side window in the die, and the special bullet guide ensures correct bullet alignment".

    Ron
     
  7. MikeOBWan

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    make sure you are Chamfering the inside of the case mouth. Then just hold the bullet in the correct position until it enters the seating die..
     
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    Insert a needle-nose pliers into the neck and give a quick twist with a small amount of pressure. That will bell the case mouth slightly so the flat based bullet will get started into the case neck without crushing it.
     
  9. USSR

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    +1. Step away from those needle-nose pliers.:eek:

    Don
     
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    I have a few types off .223 bullets that are flat Bottom...

    I started to add more inside Chamfer to the cases... just did some last night... sat down and prepped about 50, didnt take to long.

    makes them slide in a bit easier, and some will actualy balance on their own

    I have a Lee pro 1000, and will just guide it to the seater die and it rolls right in..

    Does take a few seconds longer per round but not bad... the Bullets seem Much More accurate than the JMF-BT so worth the extra effort..
     
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    I don't crimp my bottle neck rifle cartridges. I just chamfer the case mouth and guide the bullet into the seater die with my fingers as others have suggested. It sounds like a Lyman M die would eliminate the need to guide the bullet into the seater, but wouldn't it add the requirement for at least a taper crimp after (or during) seating to smooth out the case mouth?
     
  12. stavman11

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    I also do not Crimp my .223 bullets... with as little recoil that the .223 does there shouldnt be any need for much of a crimp if any... Makes sense dosent it:D
     
  13. USSR

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    A bullet seating die can be set up to: not crimp at all, remove the case mouth flare, or to crimp the bullet. You want to set it up so as to just remove the flare.

    Don
     
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    Correct neck tension is all you want.
    If you don't know what the M die is or how it works just go to Lyman's site and look at it and read how it's set up.
    If you load a lot of plain base or cast bullets, you'll wonder why you never got one after you use it.
     
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    Yep, just guide the bullet up into the die...
     
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    +1.

    Don
     
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    M-DIE ... M-DIE ... M-DIE...

    Carefully set it up so you just barely kiss the case mouth enough to allow you to seat an 1/8" or less of the bullet into the mouth. This gets it properly aligned and that is the secret.

    M-DIE ... M-DIE ... M-DIE

    I use M-dies on ALL my flat based bullets ... WITHOUT FAIL.

    THERE IS NO FINER DEVICE MADE FOR THIS PURPOSE ... NONE!
     
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    There actually is. The expander die in the Redding sets is the same thing.
    Might be some others, but the Lyman and the Redding are the only ones I'm familiar with.
     
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    I bought the Lyman M die. One of the best $15 I spent ever.
     
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    M Die ! LoL
     
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    "M" is short for neck flaring.. yep, pretty odd. I use a Lee universal expander for plain base lead rifle slugs.
     
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    Redding copied the two step expander (M Die) although I do not know if they use the same diameters. I have both types, and they work very well. I do not have both in any one caliber, so I cannot compare diameters.

    As an aside, I made a 9MM expander plug for a Lee expander die body earlier this evening, and I made it a two step expander. I tested it out and it worked quite well. Sending it to a friend tomorrow. :)
     
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    I have both for 357.
    They're both nearly identical.
    The Lyman has a bit longer expanding section than the Redding.
    Diameters are so close it's hardly worth noting any difference.
     
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    I use the M die and the Lee Universal Expander mostly for cast bullets. I started using the Hornady New Dimension seater die for my .223, keeps the bullet nice and straight.
     
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    Well there you go. :)
     
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